Has anyone created a personal book for Luther's Bondage of the Will that they would like to share?
Peace and Every Blessing, Aaron. *smile*
Methinks this is one Personal Book that should NOT be shared amongst us because Logos actually has this available in the Concordia/Augsburg Fortress resource 55 volumes of Luther's Works. It is my understanding that personal books produced by us should not be in competition with Logos resources.
Many of us also have the Works of Erasmus to whom Luther was responding back and forth.
I'd be truly interested in the opionions of other brothers and sisters on these Logos Forums.
May God give you Great Joy in the Lord!
While I agree in principle, in cases such as this where the collection is large and therefore probably expensive (I haven't checked), a single volume such as this should be made available separately when it is a well-known work and desirable by itself.
You have also got to be careful with translations as many are still in copyright even where the source text is very old.
Bondage of the Will is vol.33 of Luther's Works. But there's another fine work of his I was wonder if it was in his 55 volume set
Peace, George! *smile* I certainly agree with you on this point. I just checked; and, unless I'm wrong, Luther's Works (55 volumes) has not been broken up for purchase one or two at a time. So many series have been broken up lately that I thought perhaps this one also/
I did find the work in question on the internet, so it is certainly available to the individual who desires to make his/her own PB for his/her own use. However, I maintain that it's not a great idea to share this on the Forums. My humble opinion in case you're interested in my humble opinion! Joy in the Lord! *smile*
It's in volume 31 under the title "The Freedom of the Christian". Unlike most older English translations, the translation in Luther's Works is based on the Latin text.
I did find the work in question on the internet, so it is certainly available to the individual who desires to make his/her own PB for his/her own use. However, I maintain that it's not a great idea to share this on the Forums. My humble opinion in case you're interested in my humble opinion!
No, I'm not interested in you humble opinion. I am interested in your considered and steadfastly maintained opinion. [:D]
No, I'm not interested in you humble opinion. I am interested in your considered and steadfastly maintained opinion.
Touché!
I did find the work in question on the internet, so it is certainly available to the individual who desires to make his/her own PB for his/her own use.
For one more opinion, that would be the way to go when Logos sells a version of the resource - even in a large set. Since the book is readily available in non-copyrighted format, it is really not difficult to do this.
The Packer/Johnston translation (1957) is obviously still in copyright. I'm guessing the Henry Cole (1822) is in the public domain. I've got the Cole edition electronically, but it's still on my need-to-read list. I have read warnings that Cole's isn't a quality translation ("grain of salt" / "how would I know" rule). I have looked for a Kindle (or other electronic) edition of the Packer/Johnston translation, but to no avail. (I don't bother with paper books anymore; a vision impairment makes reading with font control much easier.)
Neither Logos nor Fortress indicates that Vol 33 of Luther's Works is the Packer/Johnston translation, but the publication date given on the Fortress website (1957) leads me to believe that it is.
The Cole work is the one easily found on the net (e.g., CCEL).
You have also got to be careful with translations as many are still in copyright even where the source text is very old. The Packer/Johnston translation (1957) is obviously still in copyright. I'm guessing the Henry Cole (1822) is in the public domain. I've got the Cole edition electronically, but it's still on my need-to-read list. I have read warnings that Cole's isn't a quality translation ("grain of salt" / "how would I know" rule). I have looked for a Kindle (or other electronic) edition of the Packer/Johnston translation, but to no avail. (I don't bother with paper books anymore; a vision impairment makes reading with font control much easier.) Neither Logos nor Fortress indicates that Vol 33 of Luther's Works is the Packer/Johnston translation, but the publication date given on the Fortress website (1957) leads me to believe that it is. The Cole work is the one easily found on the net (e.g., CCEL).
I found a kindle edition, but Cole is the translator.
http://www.amazon.com/Bondage-Will-ebook/dp/B006UT532K/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344739177&sr=1-1#_
No, it's Philip S. Watson (see image). I wish the Packer/Johnson volume was available too. I like to compare translations.
I just checked; and, unless I'm wrong, Luther's Works (55 volumes) has not been broken up for purchase one or two at a time.
from the Hey! they just broke this collection up! thread
We usually split up collections after 6 months of being off of pre-pub.
Dana is the Logos employee who announces these break-ups.
Thus, the Luther collection has a few months to go before the break-up. Longer than some celebrity marriages [:D]
So which translation is considered to be the best?
Methinks this is one Personal Book that should NOT be shared amongst us because Logos actually has this available in the Concordia/Augsburg Fortress resource 55 volumes of Luther's Works. It is my understanding that personal books produced by us should not be in competition with Logos resources. I'd be truly interested in the opionions of other brothers and sisters on these Logos Forums.
I think that it would be acceptable as a PB if it is a different translation from what Logos offers. To me, different translations represent separate works, especially when you consider that different translations have different copyrights and that one might want to own multiple translations of the same source work. Of course that is my considered opinion.
If I was Logos, I would not even want another translation being passed around as a PB because I would think that it would cut into revenue.
They allow it for Bibles. Why not other works?
Public Domain is public domain. If someone wants to put time and effort in making a PBB of a public domain resource for free distribution - even though Logos sells it - let them do it. No one has any right to stop them nor should they. To do so is to restrict someones legal right and freedom.
Now, Logos certainly has the right to restrict files that are shared via the forum and it's own website. But I have a real hard time with anyone restricting the distribution of Public Domain PBBs through personal websites.
Here is an example : Hengstenberg's Psalms is available as a PBB for Libronix. Logos also sells it for $80. Why? To make a profit. (Which is not wrong - they too need to pay their workers, invest in R&D, etc. . .)
Someone, out of love for the Church, donated time and effort to make this fine resource available to all who can't afford $80. He did so because this resource belongs to everybody (this is what public domain means). There is nothing wrong with using or distributing this resource that a person gifted to the public with his own time and money.
Public Domain is public domain. If someone wants to put time and effort in making a PBB of a public domain resource for free distribution - even though Logos sells it - let them do it. No one has any right to stop them nor should they.
Ah, but it is so much more fun to be bossy and impose one's convictions upon everyone else.
Public Domain is public domain. If someone wants to put time and effort in making a PBB of a public domain resource for free distribution - even though Logos sells it - let them do it. No one has any right to stop them nor should they. To do so is to restrict someones legal right and freedom. Now, Logos certainly has the right to restrict files that are shared via the forum and it's own website. But I have a real hard time with anyone restricting the distribution of Public Domain PBBs through personal websites.
The original question was whether it could be shared here on this forum, and I believe that the responses regarding restrictions are assuming that. I don't think anyone is implying that restrictions would be made elsewhere. If they were, then that is at odds with what Logos has said (i.e., that they don't care what you distribute, as long as you aren't using their servers and you're not breaking copyright).
I have nothing against this policy.
Maybe its poor perception on my part, but sometimes it seems as if people are discouraged to make or distribute PBB's of public domain resources if Logos already sells the same resource.
Public Domain is public domain. If someone wants to put time and effort in making a PBB of a public domain resource for free distribution - even though Logos sells it - let them do it. No one has any right to stop them nor should they. Ah, but it is so much more fun to be bossy and impose one's convictions upon everyone else.
But which one is being bossy and forcing personal convictions on everyone else? [^o)] Don't both sides of this discussion have a right to their own personal opinion?
Public Domain is public domain. If someone wants to put time and effort in making a PBB of a public domain resource for free distribution - even though Logos sells it - let them do it. No one has any right to stop them nor should they. Ah, but it is so much more fun to be bossy and impose one's convictions upon everyone else. But which one is being bossy and forcing personal convictions on everyone else? Don't both sides of this discussion have a right to their own personal opinion?
But which one is being bossy and forcing personal convictions on everyone else? Don't both sides of this discussion have a right to their own personal opinion?
Of course, I wasn't being serious in that comment. Sorry, if I was offensive.
Actually, I kind of like to be bossy. I think bossiness is kind of a "professional hazard" for those of us who are pastors, and a genetic hazard for ... never mind.
Ah, but it is so much more fun to be bossy and impose one's convictions upon everyone else. But which one is being bossy and forcing personal convictions on everyone else? Don't both sides of this discussion have a right to their own personal opinion? Of course, I wasn't being serious in that comment. Sorry, if I was offensive.
Ah, but it is so much more fun to be bossy and impose one's convictions upon everyone else. But which one is being bossy and forcing personal convictions on everyone else? Don't both sides of this discussion have a right to their own personal opinion?
I was not offended—amused perhaps. But, then, I may have a weird sense of humor [:D]
In the American Edition of Luther's Works, they used the translation from WJKP's Library of Christian Classics, which also includes Erasmus's 1st book against Luther that Luther was responding to. If you want to hear both figures, that is probably the one to get. That said, Packer's is a quite good translation, and I picked it up after seeing Gerhard Forde recommending it in his book on the debate.
