On startup, Logos always defaults to "All parallel resources" for Bibles
I have six Bibles in a collection titled "Bibles - Core Group". When I start Logos, that collection is always the first collection listed and has a check-mark by the collection title, but Logos still defaults to its own "All parallel resources" collection unless/until I click on the Parallel resource sets drop-down arrow.
When I click on the drop-down arrow, it shows two resource sets. The first is my collection titled "Bibles - Core Group" and it is check-marked as the collection being used. The second is the "All parallel resources" collection. But unless I click on that drop-down arrow to display the available collections, Logos defaults to the "All parallel resources" collection and ignores the fact that my "Bibles - Core Group" collection is listed first and is check-marked as the collection to be used.
I'm currently running the most recent Logos release (4.60.0.2972), but have had the same issue for at least the last few releases. Does anyone else see this kind of behavior? Is there something I can do to encourage Logos to use my "Bibles - Core Group" without having to click on the Parallel resource sets drop-down arrow every time I start Logos?
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I presume you are using the arrow keys to navigate between bibles but you have to first click on the Parallel Resources button to use the desired collection?
I have a similar issue (in Logos 4.5c) :-
- I have a collection called Greek Bibles which includes LGNTI
- I click on tab for LGNTI and use the right arrow key
- it moves to NA27 then Scrivener 1881 and then NASB95!
- parallel resource sets shows English Interlinears and All Parallel Resources (ticked)
When I first open LGNTI the Parallel Sets are:
So it appears to be following my Greek Bibles collection initially, then jumps me with NASB95!
If I click Greek Bibles at the start, though, it does use that collection thereafter.
So I agree that the user's collection should be ticked initially (AND used), rather than All Parallel Resources. What we have observed is unexpected behaviour.
Note: I get the same results in v4.6.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Hi, Dave!
Yes, I am using the arrow keys to cycle through/between Bibles. I think what you are experiencing is similar to what happens to me, but with the following differences.
- As the picture below shows, when I first start Logos and click on the drop-down arrow for Parallel resource sets, it shows my "Bibles - Core Group" listed first and checked as the collection to be used. But if I don't first click on the drop-down arrow to get this display, Logos cycles through the resources as shown under "All parallel resources". I believe this is different from your example in that the collection I want used is in fact the one checked, whereas in the last picture you provided for your scenario, the "Greek Bibles" collection you want used is not checked, even though it's listed first.
- Also, in my scenario, until I click the Parallel resource sets drop-down arrow, Logos seems to properly cycle through all the resources listed under "All parallel resources", and after clicking on the drop-down arrow to get the display as shown below, then it properly cycles through the resources in my "Bibles - Core Group" collection. So I don't see any funny-busines in the resource cycling within a collection. My only problem is that Logos won't "wake up" and use the check-marked collection until I hit that drop-down arrow.
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Hi,
I can confirm the problem that you have described.
While Logos remembers which parallel resource set (PRS) you have selected (indicated by the tick), nonetheless, each time you restart Logos and try to use the left / right arrow key to cycle through the desired PRS, Logos will instead blindly use the logos default "All parallel resources" set and cycle through it. For it to work you need to click on PRS button once for what you want to work.
Very sad to see that such obvious things has not been fixed, since Logos re-introduced the favorite Logos 3 PRS into Logos 4. In anycase I am so used to clicking the PRS button that I forgot that it is an issue until I see you post here [:)]
JK
MacBookPro Retina 15" Late 2013 2.6GHz RAM:16GB SSD:500GB macOS Sierra 10.12.3 | iPhone 7 Plus iOS 10.2.1
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Bump for Logos.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Thanks for the feedback! I was hoping there was a setting somewhere I had missed, but I guess that's not the case. Hopefully it will be corrected down the road.
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I'm curious under what circumstances you would expect Logos 4 to default to your created collection in Parallel resources on a fresh start? Whenever possible, and when selected designated in the collections panel? If I'm understanding correctly, and please correct me if you don't think I am tracking with you completely, you want the created collection to always be the default collection when chosen and when appropriate after initially chosen?
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Tommy Ball said:
I'm curious under what circumstances you would expect Logos 4 to default to your created collection in Parallel resources on a fresh start?
Just default to a user collection initially (when available) - whichever is listed first. In my case I expected the arrow key to track my Greek Bibles collection and ended up with an English bible.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Hi, Tommy--thanks for your question.
It seems to me that when a collection is selected for a layout that it should be as much a part of the layout as any other element of the layout. As such, I would expect it to stick with the layout, whether switching to it from another layout or when closing and then restarting Logos with that layout. In that sense, it's not really a default collection, it's simply one of the elements of the layout. Here's my logic...
If I set a collection as the collection to be used for a layout and then work with that layout for several hours, Logos doesn't arbitrarily change it back to the "All parallel resources" collection at some point, thinking I must surely be tired of using the collection I had specified. Likewise, if I walk away from my computer for a week without exiting Logos, then sit back down to resume my work, Logos hasn't switched back to the "All parallel resources" collection, thinking that I must have stopped working because I was no longer happy with the collection I had selected and am waiting for Logos to default back to the "All parallel resources" collection so I can get on with my work. So I don't see why Logos thinks I want to abandon my selected collection for a layout simply because I switch to another layout for a while and then back again, or because I had to close Logos for some reason and am now restarting it. I'm simply resuming my work in that layout and want to continue with it the way it was.
In short, the only time I think it reasonable for Logos to default to the "All parallel resources" collection is when initially starting a new layout from scratch.
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Dave Hooton said:
Just default to a user collection initially (when available) - whichever is listed first.
I'm not meaning to be obtuse, but when you say first do you mean the one farthest to the left? If so let me propose what I think the desired behavior is as explained by Dave and RAusdahl
1. When appropriate, the desired collection should be defaulted to. (i.e. When in a Greek bible while there is a Greek bible collection with the setting checked to display in parallel resources should be defaulted to).
2. Selected collections as part of a setting in a Layout, and snapshot when returned to, should be defaulted to when appropriate.
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Tommy Ball said:
I'm not meaning to be obtuse, but when you say first do you mean the one farthest to the left?
When creating a resource tab a user collection should be the default (if there is one).
If multiple user collections are applicable, default to the leftmost one.
If part of a Layout then the preferred collection should be saved (incl. All Parallel Resources).
If a user collection is deleted then make appropriate adjustments to Parallel Resources collections.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Tommy Ball said:
1. When appropriate, the desired collection should be defaulted to. (i.e. When in a Greek bible while there is a Greek bible collection with the setting checked to display in parallel resources should be defaulted to).
2. Selected collections as part of a setting in a Layout, and snapshot when returned to, should be defaulted to when appropriate.
Hi Tommy,
Can I chip in here? PRS is something very close to my heart.
Your explanation of the desired behavior sounds OK to me. Maybe another way to describe it, is to compare back to what was working in PRS implementation in Logos 3 which many of us came to appreciate and missed [:)]
If you have looked at my earlier post here, Logos 4 registered the fact that my PRS was selected (with a tick), just that it continues to use only the default "All Parallel Resources" blindly, unless I click the PRS button once on a per session basis. The need to click on PRS button each time is a little annoying [:(]
Assuming I have 3 panels with English, Greek & Hebrew Bible, and I have their corresponding PRS(s) defined in my Collections. Then I would like to see that when I am cycling through within each of the panel with left/right arrow key, it will rotate through their respective PRS.
It will be nice if these information can be saved and honored as per Layout basis (instead of globally) as you seem to be suggesting in point 2 ([Y])
JK
MacBookPro Retina 15" Late 2013 2.6GHz RAM:16GB SSD:500GB macOS Sierra 10.12.3 | iPhone 7 Plus iOS 10.2.1
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Tommy,
I apologize for not responding sooner. I was out of town.
Let's say I have just two layouts (A & B) and two Bible collections (Bible 1 & Bible 2), both of which have been flagged to show up in parallel resources. And let's say I have not yet selected a collection to be the current/active collection for either layout. In either layout, If I click on the parallel resource down-arrow, I should see three collections: Bible 1, Bible 2, and the standard Logos All parallel resources. Since I have not yet selected a collection to be the current/active collection for the layout I'm in, Logos will default to the All parallel resources collection and should continue to do so until I select one of the other collections.
Now let's say I open layout A and select Bible 1 as the active collection for it, then open layout B and select Bible 2 as the active collection for it. From now on, any time I open either layout, and click on the parallel resources down-arrow, I should still see all three collections, but... for layout A, Bible 1 will remain the active collection and for layout B, Bible 2 will remain the active collection unless I change it or unless the collection is no longer available because it's been deleted or is no longer flagged to show up in parallel resources. If the designated collection is no longer available when a layout is opened, then Logos should default to the All parallel resources collection.
In regard to the order of the collections as displayed when clicking on the parallel resources down-arrow, I think it makes sense to list the current/active collection first, but even more important in my view would be to make sure there's a check-mark next to the active collection's name.
I hope that helps, but please let me know if it muddies the waters instead.
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Dave Hooton said:
When creating a resource tab a user collection should be the default (if there is one).
If multiple user collections are applicable, default to the leftmost one.
If part of a Layout then the preferred collection should be saved (incl. All Parallel Resources).
If a user collection is deleted then make appropriate adjustments to Parallel Resources collections.
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Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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