Question for those who use highlighting...
I was curious. For those who use highlighting on the Mac, would any of you want to have all of the text included in the notes file instead of part of it with an ellipse? Currently on the iPad, it includes all of the text in the highlight. To me, this is the standard behavior of other highlighting apps (e.g. Kindle). I use this is all the time to review what I read. However, in talking with Logos, they state that the iPad currently has a bug, and it will be changed to match the Mac and PC versions. Is there anyone in agreement with me that all of the text should be included? Thanks.
Dave
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Dave -
The iPad behavior is a bug or limitation of the mobile app. The line that you are referring to is actually the TITLE of the note. Personally, I think it would be great if there were another line added to each highlighting note for the quote. Additionally, different views could be added so that only the quote line could be viewed.
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Alabama,
Thanks for your reply. Here is a response I sent to Logos. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
Logos, it seems as though all other book apps that I use keep all of the text in the highlighting. However, highlighting and note taking are separate in those apps (e.g. Olive Tree). I actually wonder if two different functions are being confused here - notes & highlighting. I can totally agree that the heading of a note should be short because the purpose of a note is to obviously make notes. However, highlighting, to me, is a different function. I use highlighting to review chapters and to have the ability to get crucial information without having to go back to the text itself. This is necessary when you export out the note file for additional research. However, notes, to me, are used to complement the text and are to be added to over time. However, combining notes and hightlighting may be problematic for some users. For example, on the iPad, you have the ability to create a note OR a highlight. Why would there be two options? The reason is because there are two functions. One for notes, one for highlighting. The user is given a choice for a reason on the iPad app and in Olive Tree. Kindle keeps all of the text and stores it online or in each of their Kindle apps. Anyway, maybe this could be an option that the user could make. Something you could turn on or off depending on how you use highlighting.
Thoughts? I like your idea of a separate line, one for title, one for text. Logos appears to technically combine highlighting and notes in the same file. However, I just hope they can preserve the different functions people use for highlighting and notes.
Dave
Anyway, maybe this could be an option that the user could make. Something you could turn on or off depending on how you use highlighting. HIGHLIGHTING, without all of the text, is not useful to me. NOTES, without all the text, would make sense.
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What I don't like is that when you hover over a link for a note in the text the popup window doesn't show the note title at all. so i have to type the title for the note and then copy and past the title into the actual body of the note. This is especially a issue for me when it is a note on highlighted text. I want to see exactly what text the note replies to in the popup window.
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Sam Pedigo said:
What I don't like is that when you hover over a link for a note in the text the popup window doesn't show the note title at all. so i have to type the title for the note and then copy and past the title into the actual body of the note. This is especially a issue for me when it is a note on highlighted text. I want to see exactly what text the note replies to in the popup window.
Sam - Can you explain a little bit more about your issue and how you use notes? In highlighted text, the "title" is just the quote itself (unless you change it), so there is no need to see the title in the popup.
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alabama24 said:
In highlighted text, the "title" is just the quote itself (unless you change it), so there is no need to see the title in the popup.
You don't normally get note icons or popups for highlights, you get them for notes. I always attach my Bible notes to reference, so if I make a note about a particular word or phrase, I have no highlight to show me what that word or phrase is. The place that is stated in is the title. Which doesn't show up in the popup. So I have to either guess what the note is referring to, or open up the note file to find out, or put the same word/phrase both in the title field and in the content field. Not very convenient...
alabama24 said:David Schlup said:In my opinion, a highlight should just be a highlight where all of its text is stored in some type of "notes" file.
Great! So do that. Do you need help setting it up?
Can't be done, unless you manually copy and paste every highlight that's longer than 6 words or so.
MJ. Smith said:To me, combining the notes and highlights opens more flexibility because the user can still set defaults to keep them separate.
Not easily, as long as we can't send highlight to a book specific file.
MJ. Smith said:What I would be interested to hear is why you don't find clippings satisfactory for the full-text which seems to be the crux of your usability problem.
a) No highlight in the text.
b) It's a long time-consuming process involving the right-click menu, while highlighting can be done with a single shortcut key.
c) It's all or nothing.
To me the whole idea with highlighting is that you highlight bits and pieces here and there, leaving out everything non-essential and ending up with a condensed version. Clippings might work if I just wanted to collect a few useful paragraphs on a particular topic, but definitely not for reading through a book full of facts. I'd essentially have to put the whole book in the clipping.
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Actually, notes and highlighting are not quite so identical as people here seem to think:
• If you start by hitting a shortcut key, the defaults are to highlight, but not attach a note icon, and not open the 'note' file.
• If you start by right-clicking and adding a note, the defaults are to attach a note icon, open the note file, and put the cursor in the content field, but not add any highlight (unless it's a selection note, in which case you do get a highlight).
So even though a lot of things are identical under the hood, the defaults are actually already different. So, presumably, there can't be any inherent impossibility to make them a little bit more different. Like keeping notes defaulted to truncated title, but making highlights default to keeping the full text. That ought to satisfy both groups. Or?
(Though I've been very surprised to see so many liking the truncated titles. Until now, all I've seen is an endless bunch of complaints about them.)
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fgh- My point has never been to argue against the functionality that some users want (and I can see the value in as well). My point is just to explain that the functions that users are desiring isn't available, nor was intended with this feature.
- I think most people who highlight, just want to highlight. They don't think of it as a "note," nor do they care to have a note. They just want the visual maker in their resource.
- I have advocated for "resource specific" highlighting note files to be generated "under the hood" for each resource. This way, users who just want to highlight can do so without worrying about where the highlight note is going.
- Three benefits of these "resource specific" note files: 1) smaller note files assist in syncing on the mobile apps; 2) when file sharing finally comes, users could share the highlights from a single book; and 3) users don't have to know, create or manage a complex file system.
- A strong minority (which you could include me in) sees the value in having the ability to organize and view all the highlighted text. I disagree, however, with the possible solutions presented.
- Many users are utterly confused about the actual note file. The "text" line that they want to view was never intended for such. It is simply the title of the note, which can be changed to anything. I feel strongly that it would be a mistake to include the full quote in the title line. Again, I support the functionality desired, but abhor the solution presented.
- One solution might be to have a "highlights only" mode in the visual filter guide. When you click on it, all the text disappears except for the highlights. I know that wouldn't solve every problem, but I think it would be much better than cramming the full text into the title field of the notes (as they are currently implemented).
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