Lexham Discourse Hebrew Bible

Ted - according to the post you can actually keep your pre-pub and just not accept the download of the first section. It won't be completed for another. If you hold the pre-pub and not accept the download, you will not be billed until it's completed.

Ted Weis said:

I appreciate Logos allowing people to pay for delivery of the LDHB on Oct 9 or later, when the entire project is completed.

Question- When will the entire set be completed?

I cancelled my pre-order because I'm flat broke, but I'd love to get this resource... later.

Hi Ted,

First of all I would definitely suggest placing your pre-order again. We won't process it until the entire thing is complete, which will be roughly one year, unless you tell us to. However, if you don't pre-order it, the next time you choose to buy it you will have to pay the full sale price instead of the Pre-Pub price!

Right now the release is very tentatively slated for January 2014.

Thanks!

Kenneth Neighoff said:

When will the email be sent to either process the order or to hold.

The email should be showing in your inbox sometime on October 9.

Same here...because of the CP CC flood slated for next month. Although I really am wondering if I will get any use out of this. I have used the Greek version perhaps half a dozen times since it came out years ago. The supposed razzle dazzle seems more like fizzle to me. I may get more use out of the Hebrew version, but $200 seems quite pricey. I may bail anyway...I will debate this in my head until then.

Ted Weis said:

I really appreciate the NT discourse set and use it regularly. Looking forward to OT set. IMHO, these discourse studies are major component of Logos and another great reason why Logos is THE way to go for Bible study.

If you have the time, I'd appreciate an example or two of when & how the Gk version is a significant help to your study. If you could, give me the most jaw-dropping example you've encountered, where you were enlightened beyond what a resource already in our base collections would provide. I've never gotten anything out of it besides what I had already gotten from resources I use on a regular basis. I was expecting a bit more from a resource whose price reflects epiphanies in every bite.

I suppose one man's epiphany is another man's meh. When I plug into this resource, I get no juice...but I'm glad you are getting some use out of it.

Let me just add...what I see in the above screenshot is a Greek-English interlinear with the word SENTENCE in front of every line. Not terribly inspirational.

For $200...it's positively depressing.

My 9/28/12 email said:

We are about to begin processing Pre-Pub orders for Lexham Discourse Hebrew Bible Bundle (6 vols.).



This product is scheduled to ship on 10/9/2012.



Please verify your billing information as soon as possible.


Billing Address:

XXX



If this information is correct, you do not need to reply to this email as your order will be processed automatically.

I.e., it says it will be processed automatically, contrary to the blog page, which states:

Because the resource isn’t finished, we will only process your
pre-order if you authorize us to do so. It won’t happen automatically,
as with a normal Pre-Pub.

If you choose not to authorize the order, then we’ll wait until the
bundle’s completed to process your order for the remainder of the Old
Testament.

The good news is that if you pre-order the bundle before October 9,
you get the content that’s currently available—plus the new content as
we finish it—and you still end up paying the same price as if you wait
until the entire Old Testament is completed.

NOTE: The blog page about the delay in the bundle is http://blog.logos.com/2012/10/times-running-out-to-pre-order-the-lexham-discourse-hebrew-bible-bundle/ and not the link that is incorrectly shown for it in the tan announcement block at the beginning on the resource page: https://www.logos.com/product/6786/lexham-discourse-hebrew-bible-bundle - which wrongly takes you to the Baker Academic Theological Interpretation Collection.

ALSO:

Steven Runge said:

Hey Ted,

We've had a couple schools asking to use it in class, so we opted to
ship early. Our discourse team helped on some other projects for about
half of this year. Now the decks are cleared off, and we hope to finish
everything by the end of 2013.

If you place your pre-order again, you can convert it to a live
resource at any time until the final completion. When the project is
complete it would be charged out like a normal prepub if you had not
already converted.

We should be releasing Isaiah and Jeremiah before Valentine's Day,
and will keep releasing updates as chunks get finished or corrected. We
have also included version numbers and release notes for folks to track
what's been added, plus there will probably be blog posts too with
updates.

I'd encourage you to keep the prepub order to keep your options open.

The blog page about the delay in the bundle says you can delay the processing of your order until the bundle is complete - i.e., in about a year. However, Steve Runge's post above says that if you pre-order it you can authorize its processing and make it "live" anytime you want between now and its completion if you want to access it - i.e., you don't have to wait until it's all done if, e.g., you decide in March 2013 that you want to use what is available.

So which is it???

Eric, I was referring to 'The Israelite Samaritan Version of the Torah' edited by Benyamin Tsedaka and Sharon Sullivan Dufour (which seems to be inable to get a 'published' status after multiple delays - Eerdmans). As recommended in another thread, it would make a decent replacement for the deleted Logos offering.

Then there's the third group (of 1?) which is still pretty miffed (using really nice language) that Isaiah isn't showing up and very likely was overtaken by Faithlife. I cancelled my OT Discourse, re-added it, and then cancelled it again. And then added again. Now I'm thinking Faithlife's going to eat it up for sure, so better to let it go.

Eric Weiss said:

Jonathan Watson said:

Kenneth Neighoff said:

When will the email be sent to either process the order or to hold.

The email should be showing in your inbox sometime on October 9.

My account still shows this shipping today, and I have not yet received an email giving me a "delay" option or requiring my "approval" to charge me for this today. Has anyone else gotten it? Should I call Customer Service?

The email will be going out this morning some time, and you should have it before the end of the day.

The corporate office closed 31 minutes ago.... and still no email.

DMB said:

For goodness sakes Eric ... we're waiting for your evaluation of the OT discourse.

You probably noticed that Logos.com has re-priced to $220 so I guess the pre-pub was worth $20. Maybe it'll increase in value.

I finally cancelled in favor of Baal Cycle; I couldn't forgo the BC price, it's 'Libronix' and Amazon's message 'No longer in print.' (at least from Amazon anyway)

Don't hold your breath. I'm going to be among those who choose to hold off on getting this. I suspect when it's released (tomorrow?) it will jump considerably from $220 - unless the $220 is the non-pre-pub price for what's done so far and those who didn't get the pre-pub price will have to pay ~$200 or so more for the rest of it when it's done.

I didn't get the email, but since I saw that it was released, I went ahead & contacted a sales rep that I had already been in touch with & he was able to take care of it for me.

Today's status? My Account Orders shows that it "Ships Yesterday" [H]

Jonathan Watson said:

Eric Weiss said:

Today's status? My Account Orders shows that it "Ships Yesterday"

Eric, I'm sorry that the email didn't go out yesterday as planned. We had a miscommunication in the office, and are working to get the email out as soon as possible, and make sure that doesn't happen again.

In the meantime, if you would like to process your order and download the content, please call 800-8575-6467 and ask for one of our Sales representatives. If you do not want the order processed, you don't need to do anything. We will hang on to your pre-order at the price your pre-ordered it until you are ready for us to process it.

Hope this clears it up!

Thanks! Due to the upcoming Expositor's Commentary and my next payment on my Hermeneia/Continental Commentary deal I got in July, the last thing I need is another $200 on my credit card this month, so I will be opting to do nothing now. That will also give me time to get my Hebrew back up to some sort of speed so I'll be better ready for it.

Jonathan Watson said:

In the meantime, if you would like to process your order and download the content, please call 800-8575-6467 and ask for one of our Sales representatives. If you do not want the order processed, you don't need to do anything. We will hang on to your pre-order at the price your pre-ordered it until you are ready for us to process it.

Huh? This says we need to do something to now receive it, otherwise you will "hang on to it"? Does that apply to all of us? Mine also says "ships Yesterday", I should sure like it to be downloaded! Can you clarify when this is coming out for all of us, is it today?

If I understand this correctly.  Those who have pre-ordered can call have Genesis - 2 Kings unlocked now and be charged the full pre-publication price or wait (approxiamtely a year) until the product is finished and then have the whole thing downloaded and charged the full pre-publication price then.  Is this correct?  Or will one only be chareged a prorated price for a prorated product?  If it is the first option, why would anyone want to do it that way, unless there he or she has a project that demands the Genesis - 2 Kings material?

The key to me is that no matter when the product is unlocked (now, six,days, or six months from now), the customer will be charged the complete pre-publication price (even though the product may not be complete).

Steve Runge said:

The opt-in policy is designed to respect folks like you who would rather wait.

Like I said in a post to you on the first page, that part of the policy is great, but the information part was anything but respectful. Go read that post if you haven't already.

Well, I find this whole thing a bit sad (if that's the right word) for me.

I think Steve's just the best and REALLY hope he'll be able to get the resource complete by next year. The account of his early leadership and eventually many college discourse classes with books to go with it, is very impressive.

And apparently I was wrong about the delay on Isaiah (which does impact me, but that's not important; time ran out).

I just think the Logos 'process' let Steve down (that's from outside looking in and simply guessing). I suppose I could include customers, but to me, authorship is at the heart of what's good about Logos (even if I disagree with some of it). NT/OT discourse, a lot of the semitic OT work (which I use), the ECC, apostolic fathers, and on and on.

There needs to be a party to celebrate each new effort.

How will this show up in our account?  Will it continue to use yesterday's date?  I am not attempting to cause a problem or spew "sour grapes," but it will be most unhelpful to have yesterday's date in the account.  I would rather see it remain "under contract" until completed.  Maybe some other designation is more appropriate.  Something beside yesterday's date will be helpful to know when the project is close to completion because I do not intend to download it until it is completed.  There are just too few dollars to go around.

I love Steve's works, and I am happy with the OT discourse bible.  Exodus 32:6 has a small typo at the end in the Hebrew text.  As I am reading through Exodus again, I realize this must not be easy for the team.  Keep up the good work.