Is there a chance that Logos will ever be PLATFORM INDEPENDENT?

It would be really great if Logos were PLATFORM INDEPENDENT !!!!

As we all know Logos deprecated the functionality of it's software in XP.

And it's just a matter of time before this also applies to Vista, and eventually WIndows 7, etc. Oh yeah and what about when Apple changes it's operating system ???? Oh and Andorid ????

As we can see with Tizen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen) there is going to be some major competition in the operating systems available for many of the new devices coming out.

Which presents a huge problem for Logos users, will we not have
accessibility to our very expensive Logos software because Logos will drop the functionality in the OS as it did in XP or because they just won't support the users operating system.

Specifically Apple,
Windows and Google (Android) ???? Same problem I have had for the last 8 years on my laptop and desktop. So it's very feasible and it has happened with XP.

As an avid (almost 20 years) Linux user, by the way if you have an Android device you are technically a Linux user, I have had to buy several Windows licenses to just be able to use ONE program, my Logos, on my desktop and laptop.

I am not planning on buying another Windows license ever again, even with Windows 8 coming out soon.

Linux is FREE has been and there will always will be many that are, because you can pay for it if you prefer.

SOLUTION:

With html5, css3 and Javascript (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5#New_APIs) we the users could really have a great user experience by not having to be tied to the pockets of Apple, Windows and Google (Android).

Looking at all the major companies which are behind html5, css3,. javascript and the Tizen project, and other open source projects, Logos with it's current business model could be severely cornering the users, to the pockets of Apple, Windows and Google (Android) and severely limiting the devices and versions of Logos it's users can have if they want to keep using Logos.

Competition in operating systems will be getting very steep in the very near future the success of products like Logos will be necessitated by their ability to be cross platform.

As we have seen it is not a daunting issue for those companies who are thinking ahead and willing to provide a good product and user experience for their customers.

Food for thought.

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JT (alabama24)

Carlos - can you name any serious programs that are platform independent as you suggest? Of course, Logos DOES have biblia.com and faithlife which ARE "platform independent." Making a program like Logos 4/5 "platform independent" would be much more of a challenge, especially if you want it to run locally and not "in the cloud."

MJ. Smith

As we have seen it is not a daunting issue for those companies who are thinking ahead and willing to provide a good product and user experience for their customers.

I fear this is not what I have seen. The platform independent apps on my computer either do much of their processing on the web or have a very primitive interface. Take something like Octave as an example - you can greatly improve performance by using system dependent libraries. It is not possible to optimize the same code to all platforms. If you look at the most basic natural language processing e.g. a search, you will see why optimization is critical to a pleasant user experience. Yes, it one carefully selects the type of application you can find applications with sufficiently simple processing as to be written in platform independent code - Logos is not, in my opinion, one of them.

NetworkGeek

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/406789#Comment_406789

Think of it this way - you only have so many computer CPU cycles to use in any given time segment. Do you want them used on:

- code to make the software independent of hardware?

- code to make it faster?

- code to make it easier to use?

- code to add more functionality?

- code to make it easier to make future changes without introducing errors?

Software that is hardware independent has fewer demands in the other areas. I could write a program that calculates the answer to 1+ 1 and display it, completely hardware independent (extreme example, but you get the idea). Logos has HIGH demands in all these areas, just check these forums to see it - we want more functions, less bugs, that runs faster, that can be developed quicker, that's easier to use. IMHO if we had a vote all of these would be more important to Logos users than hardware independence.

What many people fail to realize is software development is an engineering discipline - to design something by balancing competing factors which are not all attainable at the same time.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

Competition in operating systems will be getting very steep in the very near future the success of products like Logos will be necessitated by their ability to be cross platform.

As a business, Logos monitors device usage; if Tizen devices sell well, then anticipate Logos porting mobile apps for use on Tizen devices.

Along with deprecating Windows XP, Logos announced that OS X 10.5 Leopard was being deprecated so Logos will run on OS X 10.6 10.7, and 10.8; for Windows, Logos will be supported on Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8 (because Microsoft will not support .NET Framework 4.5 on XP).

The suggestions forum has a long running linux thread => http://community.logos.com/forums/t/121.aspx

Open source Darwin is used on millions of computers => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_%28operating_system%29 along with several hundred open source projects. For OS X, Apple adds a proprietary user interface on top of Darwin.

Technical hurdle for solution is porting a substantial code base, which has been growing for 20+ years.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Philana Crouch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/406789#Comment_406789

As we have seen it is not a daunting issue for those companies who are thinking ahead and willing to provide a good product and user experience for their customers.

I fear this is not what I have seen. The platform independent apps on my computer either do much of their processing on the web or have a very primitive interface. Take something like Octave as an example - you can greatly improve performance by using system dependent libraries. It is not possible to optimize the same code to all platforms. If you look at the most basic natural language processing e.g. a search, you will see why optimization is critical to a pleasant user experience. Yes, it one carefully selects the type of application you can find applications with sufficiently simple processing as to be written in platform independent code - Logos is not, in my opinion, one of them.

Important point...there are Logos users who don't have an Internet connection all of the time. If things were process online then Logos would be severely limited for many users.

Luigi Sam

Hi,

I wouldn't like a web based 'software' product for these reasons:

portability while having no internet connection
internet connection issues.
and most importantly Privacy.

It seems every business on the net is seeking to stalk people to try to make a buck. Kind of like virtual flies. very annoying.

but I'm only replying to express my view, I'm not knocking your preference.

777

So, what you want is for every Logos resource to be like this -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A

Good luck with that.

Donnie Hale

It would be really great if Logos were PLATFORM INDEPENDENT !!!!

Please, no. I'm not sure anyone could name one best-of-breed vertical software application that is platform independent. The few apps that are best-of-breed apps which run on multiple platforms are still not platform-independent (I'm thinking, for example, of the Adobe CS Suite and the like). My personal preference would be for Logos to drop support for the Mac platform, but I know many of my fellow Logos forum regulars wouldn't appreciate that.

People who advocate these "recommendations" are promoting their personal preference, which is fine. But they've clearly never had to manage a large software development team. And they've never had to do a real ROI analysis on such a proposed effort.

Can we update the forum software to consider any further Linux advocacy as spam?

Donnie

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/406968#Comment_406968

My personal preference would be for Logos to drop support for the Mac platform

Thats strange… I was hoping that PC users would get fed up with WIN8 and move to Mac. [;)]

Donnie Hale

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/406972#Comment_406972

Thats strange… I was hoping that PC users would get fed up with WIN8 and move to Mac.

I've got enough experience with / exposure to Macs to know they're not the be-all / end-all they're cracked up to be. My daughter has a MacBook Pro. Adobe Illustrator recently quit working for her. Would no longer run. No hardware changes (it's a Mac laptop - what can you change? . No new software. No OS upgrades.

To Apple's credit, it did restore to normal functionality from Time Machine. That is one cool app!

Donnie

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/406783#Comment_406783

Carlos - can you name any serious programs that are platform independent as you suggest? Of course, Logos DOES have biblia.com and faithlife which ARE "platform independent." Making a program like Logos 4/5 "platform independent" would be much more of a challenge, especially if you want it to run locally and not "in the cloud."

Coral Painter 12 seems to be an example I would think of what is being asked...a program that runs on MAC or PC. You buy the program and it installs on either platform to reveal the exact same program.

I am not saying this is possible in modern day L4. But I would think that it is the wish of many that Logos go in the direction of a program which can be downloaded and installed on either MAC or PC without any differences.

Perhaps that means that L5 or L6 should be stripped of features that make this impossible.

Not saying this is the wise way to go. Just saying I think most would agree that with any program, it is the desired way to go even if impossible