help upgrade confusion

hi everybody
I currently own logos 4 Platinum version with many other add-on books
if I upgrade to the starter logos 5
will this package pick up all the books I currently own in version 4?
If I purchased the starter package will it install over my version 4?
and indicate that I am using a platinum version
I've recently upgraded to Windows 7
I don't want to lose my platinum vision library
appreciate any help
mick
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Mick, if you are asking if by buying L5 platinum you will be credited for your current resources, that is Logos' intent.
Be sure to use their upgrade calculator, and click on the "New To You" link--you should see the black dots change in the right column--those are the "new" resources for you. However, be sure to manually compare against your library--you may have disputes with what the website tool thinks you own.
If you buy a lesser package in L5, I'm not sure what happens--I'd think you would keep your resources, and just get less new databases...but defer to a Logos person for the right answer.
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I have the same question. It's not clear - how much does Logos 5 cost? I have L4Platinum. Couldn't I just upgrade the software for free? If this truly costs me hundreds or thousands of dollars, I'm not so sure I'm a fan anymore. Not so sure I would have made the initial investment.
But seriously - It's not clear.
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Michael,
You won't loose any resource you've purchased with Logos - ever. That's Logos promise. They'll keep it unless a copyright issue forces them to withdraw a work they don't have the right to distribute.
If you upgrade to Logos5, it will install over Logos4 for all your devices, unless you disable updating in those other devices.
Yes, it will pick up all the books you currently are licensed for in Logos4.
For full functionality, you may want to purchase a crossgrade, rather than a starter package. Crossgrades are not available yet, but should be soon. Given that you are now at Platinum with L4, there is more functionality that you'll get by crossgrading than by going with the starter package. I'd recommend waiting for the crossgrade for now, if what you want to do is minimize your expense.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Joe Brown said:
I have the same question. It's not clear - how much does Logos 5 cost? I have L4Platinum. Couldn't I just upgrade the software for free? If this truly costs me hundreds or thousands of dollars, I'm not so sure I'm a fan anymore. Not so sure I would have made the initial investment.
But seriously - It's not clear.
Joe, L5 itself won't cost anything, but the new functionality will. We're waiting on the crossgrade to find out how much that will cost, but I'm assuming it will be less than upgrading to one of the new packages - but I don't have any inside information.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Ward Walker said:
If you buy a lesser package in L5, I'm not sure what happens--I'd think you would keep your resources, and just get less new databases...but defer to a Logos person for the right answer.
You're essentially correct. You never lose resources. You only pick up the new ones that you pay for. For an extreme example someone on the L4 Portfolio could "downgrade" to the L5 starter and still keep all of the old resources and just pick up the resources in L5 starter that they didn't have before.
Prov. 15:23
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i am still confused
I purchased 4000 resources which is my platinum library with many books have purchased over the last few years
if I upgrade to the platinum version 4 it is going to cost me ,Your Price £401.06 GBP
I get a library of Books 1,327
I have always upgraded when a new version comes out but it's never cost this much
mick
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Kevin Becker said:Ward Walker said:
If you buy a lesser package in L5, I'm not sure what happens--I'd think you would keep your resources, and just get less new databases...but defer to a Logos person for the right answer.
You're essentially correct. You never lose resources. You only pick up the new ones that you pay for. For an extreme example someone on the L4 Portfolio could "downgrade" to the L5 starter and still keep all of the old resources and just pick up the resources in L5 starter that they didn't have before.
From what I can tell though you don't get many of the new features with starter. And why should someone with portfolio be forced to downgrade?
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Mark Stevens said:Kevin Becker said:Ward Walker said:
If you buy a lesser package in L5, I'm not sure what happens--I'd think you would keep your resources, and just get less new databases...but defer to a Logos person for the right answer.
You're essentially correct. You never lose resources. You only pick up the new ones that you pay for. For an extreme example someone on the L4 Portfolio could "downgrade" to the L5 starter and still keep all of the old resources and just pick up the resources in L5 starter that they didn't have before.
From what I can tell though you don't get many of the new features with starter. And why should someone with portfolio be forced to downgrade?
I would also be concerned that you would lose access to non-resource engine tools which had an analog in L4 (I'm thinking of language tools/etc which might go away if s.o. with portfolio bought a starter engine).
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First, be sure you are logged into the Logos web site. Then click on Upgrade on the Home Page:
On the page that appears next, you can click on Platinum along the top ribbon of the chart shown, and 'New to you' to see a list of what you will be getting if you upgrade from Platinum 4 to Platinum 5. There will be a cost listed (I've removed it from my example). That is the cost to get the new databases, plus the new content listed. You will retain your previous content as already pointed out. Your upgrade price from the L4 to L5 libraries of the same collection should not be too steep.
The number of books it lists is not what you are getting new with an upgrade, so ignore that number. It isn't calculated for upgrades.
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Mark Stevens said:Kevin Becker said:Ward Walker said:
If you buy a lesser package in L5, I'm not sure what happens--I'd think you would keep your resources, and just get less new databases...but defer to a Logos person for the right answer.
You're essentially correct. You never lose resources. You only pick up the new ones that you pay for. For an extreme example someone on the L4 Portfolio could "downgrade" to the L5 starter and still keep all of the old resources and just pick up the resources in L5 starter that they didn't have before.
From what I can tell though you don't get many of the new features with starter. And why should someone with portfolio be forced to downgrade?
Gold is the standard where you get to play with ALL the Logos features. Gold is the new Scholar's (so to speak).
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Michael Parry -Thomas said:
if I upgrade to the platinum version 4 it is going to cost me ,Your Price £401.06 GBP
I get a library of Books 1,327
I have always upgraded when a new version comes out but it's never cost this much
That's because the changes between Platinum 4 and Platinum 5 are more significant this year. When there's been previous base package refreshes, you've probably only ended up with a couple of dozen additional resources. This time it will be much more. There's no reason why you can't upgrade to Gold if the Platinum price is too high for you. You'll keep everything you have from Platinum 4 if you do.
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Joe Brown said:
It's not clear - how much does Logos 5 cost? I have L4Platinum. Couldn't I just upgrade the software for free?
Others have provided the link to download the Logos 5 engine for free. Be aware, though, that if you do this you will still not be able to take advantage of new features with L5. To use the new features you have to purchase the datasets that go with the engine. When you upgrade to a higher or lower L5 package, you get these datasets (though not all of them come with all packages).
With L4 Logos offered a "crossgrade" which allowed users to purchase just the datasets. They have not yet offered it with L5 but have said it will show up after the initial introductory pricing ends for L5. If you wait until this time (they haven't said how long that is) then you can do the crossgrade and use L5 with your current resources for a lot less money than if you upgrade your current package.
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Michael Parry -Thomas said:
i am still confused
I purchased 4000 resources which is my platinum library with many books have purchased over the last few years
if I upgrade to the platinum version 4 it is going to cost me ,Your Price £401.06 GBP
I get a library of Books 1,327
I have always upgraded when a new version comes out but it's never cost this much
mick
they've totally revamped them. Remember to pay attention that you can "downgrade" and still "upgrade." You could, for instance, by Gold and gain some new resources, and enjoy full Logos 5 functionality. The compare resources page on the website will (if you are logged in) dynamically adjust each package by what you own. You can, for instance, select to see those books in each package that would be new to you. Pretty cool help.
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Mark Stevens said:
From what I can tell though you don't get many of the new features with starter. And why should someone with portfolio be forced to downgrade?
I never used the language of force. It's not that simple. L5 introduces a lot of new databases that aren't covered by a simple look at what new books are gained. A lot of the upgrade is paying for the development of those data sets. I haven't decided yet but I might "downgrade" to Gold from Platinum because of the cost issue. Sure, I won't like loosing the "status" of being at a particular level. As always it's an individual cost-benefit analysis; I can't imagine someone with L4 portfolio wanting to add just the stuff that is new to Starter but it is technically possible whereas before we could only do a crossgrade or upgrade.
Prov. 15:23
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I understand what you're saying
if you buy a base package then you had books to the library, in my case I ended up with over 4000 resources
to get Platinum version 5 it can cost me a small fortune, I prefer to buy books I want to add to the library,
so how do I upgrade to version 5,?
Is this where the crossover upgrade comes in?
It's strange that the crossover upgrade is not available yet
this means that priority goes to new customers or people who are willing to pay for the upgrades
I've just recently upgraded my computer so I could run version 5
as I was running Windows XP so I decided to spend some money on upgrading my computer
and just wondering how much is it really can cost me to get my library equivalent in version 5
just some thoughts
wouldn't you think that logos would have thought about their existing customers and launched the crossover upgrade at the same time
mick
sorry I am using speech technology to help me with my dyslexia sorry for any wrong pronounced words and no punctuation
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Thanks, but I haven't seen a link for MAC. I saw an .exe link. Was there Mac link?
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As near as I can tell, which admittedly I can't tell is accurate because their information is so poorly presented, it will cost $460 to go from Gold L4 to Gold L5, which is hardly "not too steep" for what appears to be a bunch of "junk" resources and the new databases. Count me out for the insanely priced upgrade. I mean, seriously, 1/3 of the cost of the L4 Gold library to run L5. Don't think so, Logos.
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hi everybody
I just checked the books on the webpage and I have got most of these already in my library
they are not updated versions
there must be something going wrong on the website with existing customers, when the web page database works out the costs for a upgrade
is not taking in account all my library
mick
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John Murphy said:
and the new databases
The enhanced functionality and the new databases are the real jewels of L5. Check out the Youtube videos and you may agree.
If you are not wanting any new books wait on the crossgrade or talk with a salesperson to gain the benefits of L5 at a cheaper price. In a few weeks the crossgrade should be available.
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hi
I signed into my account, I went to the upgrade page
I selected the platinum library upgrade
I went down the list of books that Lagos said I have not got in my library
it is totally wrong, I have most of the books in the list , and they are definitely not new ones
so I am being charged for resources that I already own
this cannot be correct there must be something going wrong on the way the calculator works out the total cost of the upgrade against books you already purchased
I have gone down the list book after book and check them against the books I already own
I am definitely be recharged for books I already purchased
I would like a response from somebody from logos
I been told I would not be recharged for books I already own, this is not true
it needs to be looked into by somebody at logos
mick
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Thanks for reaching out, Mick. I'm sorry you had a bad experience. Our servers are getting slammed right now, so that could be having an impact at some level. In all our testing, we did not encounter anything like this. We'll take a look at your account and get in touch with you as soon as possible. What package were you looking to upgrade to?
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Richard DeRuiter said:
L5 itself won't cost anything, but the new functionality will.
Consider the oxymoron; A functionality upgrade that won't cost anything unless you want it to be functional !?!
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Michael Parry -Thomas said:
hi
I signed into my account, I went to the upgrade page
I selected the platinum library upgrade
I went down the list of books that Lagos said I have not got in my library
it is totally wrong, I have most of the books in the list , and they are definitely not new ones
so I am being charged for resources that I already own
this cannot be correct there must be something going wrong on the way the calculator works out the total cost of the upgrade against books you already purchased
I have gone down the list book after book and check them against the books I already own
I am definitely be recharged for books I already purchased
I would like a response from somebody from logos
I been told I would not be recharged for books I already own, this is not true
it needs to be looked into by somebody at logos
mick
Mick, If you have one part of a multi-volume resource but not all of it the page will show it as one you will get in the upgrade. Single volumes should not show up unless something is messed up. (The pricing reflects all volumes you own, even though it seems to say you are missing a partially owned resource and therefore paying for it again.)
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Bridgeport, CT USA
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hiPhil Gons said:Thanks for reaching out, Mick. I'm sorry you had a bad experience. Our servers are getting slammed right now, so that could be having an impact at some level. In all our testing, we did not encounter anything like this. We'll take a look at your account and get in touch with you as soon as possible. What package were you looking to upgrade to?
my current version is platinum 4, just short of 5000 books in my library, I have added complete collections over time
I just thought it was a matter of going to the upgrade website calculator and it would work out the differences
the collections in the new upgrade price, I've already got them in my existing library
I checked each title and collections / volumes I got most of them in my current library
I wanted to be upgraded to the new logos 5 with a minimum of cost at this moment in time
as I've already got books on order
I've also been a beta tester testing each stage of the way in version 4
I spoke to Bob some time ago about my concerns about logos and the lack of communication to their customers
and the chaos which can be damaging to a thriving company, which is solely based on customers buying books
mick
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David Ogg said:Richard DeRuiter said:
L5 itself won't cost anything, but the new functionality will.
Consider the oxymoron; A functionality upgrade that won't cost anything unless you want it to be functional !?!
No actual oxymoron, but I can see how you might think so. What I meant to say was something like this: Logos5 will function much like Logos4 with the free upgrade. To get the extra new features available to Logos5, that are not in Logos4, you will have to pay something.
Is that clearer?
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Richard DeRuiter said:David Ogg said:Richard DeRuiter said:
L5 itself won't cost anything, but the new functionality will.
Consider the oxymoron; A functionality upgrade that won't cost anything unless you want it to be functional !?!
No actual oxymoron, but I can see how you might think so. What I meant to say was something like this: Logos5 will function much like Logos4 with the free upgrade. To get the extra new features available to Logos5, that are not in Logos4, you will have to pay something.
Is that clearer?
I understand what you are saying about the functionality,
in my situation I have checked the collections in the upgrade against the ones I've already purchased
they are identical and I am being charged again,
I would have thought it would be in the best interest of logos to encourage anybody to use their latest version so they can take advantage of new books
why would anybody want to purchase any more books if they cannot take advantage of the new features, which are put into the resources
this mess has caused big problems as people will be put off buying resources,
I read on a form about the profit margin, which seems quite low for a company the size to survive today they need to get things in order
they need anybody to buy their resources if it's one book or hundreds of books,
there comes a point when development costs and services have to be balanced,customers request features but it needs to be done in a way that it is affordable for a large customer base, if not you lose your bread-and-butter customers,
I am a managing director who has lots of experience in running development, and offering services
and you know what I'm talking about as my company was very successful, due to ill health I retired,
everything that I've seen in the new version 5 cosmetic should have been implemented in version 4,
as I've always said that version 4 looks and unfinished
please treat me with some respect
mick
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Michael Parry -Thomas said:
in my situation I have checked the collections in the upgrade against the ones I've already purchased they are identical and I am being charged again,
If that's true, something is going wrong on the web site for you.
Ensure that you are logged in to the Logos web site with the same login you use for Logos4.
If you've done that, and you are still seeing resources listed as "New to you" that you already own there is a problem that Logos needs to know about, so it can resolve it for you. It would be helpful if you could be more specific about which resources you do own, that the web site says you don't. Can you list them, or at least list a partial sample of those resources?
It's also possible that you are misunderstanding what you are seeing, and think that you are not being credited, when you are, but unless you provide a screenshot, I couldn't confirm that.
Here's a screenshot of my upgrade option for Platinum. I have a lot of resources, so my cost to upgrade to L5 Platinum isn't as high as yours might be (or it could be higher than yours).
What I want you to notice are the little grey icons next to "New to 5" and "New to you" on the top, and how these are represented in the column closest to the resource titles. As I indicate, a blank area (surrounded by the green box I added) means I already have it. The black dots are there to tell you which resources are included in the particular package you've selected. In my case "Platinum." They include both what I own and what I don't - it's a list of everything in the package.
One more piece of information: some of the series (for example the NAC) have been expanded for this upgrade. You may have as much of the series as possible as of yesterday, but still see the series show up. I've been assured that we are being credited for those volumes in the series that we already own, but it still shows up as new because there is something new in it.
I hope this is all clear to you, and I haven't spent a lot of time telling you what you already know. But there has been some confusion about how this page works.
If after all this you're still convinced you're being charged for resources you already own, please let us know which ones. This will help track down the problem and resolve it.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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