Logos 5 for Mac is OUT

Haven't seen the video yet, but for the sake of forum readers (rather than video watchers), how does the performance compare?

Just finished the video. Good overview, thanks for posting it.

I would like some more specifics on visuals and speed. It looks like they have moved away from trying to put things in the Mac toolbar, instead keeping it organized more like the Windows version? I think this is a good move, though in the video it looks like the PC version still has more flash to it: looks cleaner, works smoother.

How about scrolling responsiveness? Opening layouts? Running searches? Etc. You mentioned some issues continue with notes. General sluggishness? 

One of my gripes here is that it seems the improvements to the Mac version in L5 should have been added to L4. These are bug fixes, not upgrade features, yet to get them we have to pay for them. But perhaps there aren't as many of those fixes as one might hope?

This is how the industry works...squeeze you to upgrade if you want the bug fixes.

Fr. Charles R. Matheny said:

I only see upgrade options starting at over 500 bucks.

I called sales earlier and the guy I talked with said the crossgrade option will be offered once the introductory pricing period has ended. I've got my fingers crossed that Logos will offer the crossgrade sooner than that given all the user frustration on this issue.

What happened to all this talk about "The Logo's engine is free, you pay for resources " ?

I decided to take a leap… I looked at the options and found i could purchase the starter upgrade for a little over $50, all I can say Logos has finally released a stable mac app. 

-Dan

Joe Miller said:

There are some sluggish parts, but I am also on a 2007 Macbook Pro with a Core 2

Well it's encouraging to me that you see improvements on that machine since I'm also on a 2007 MBP, at least at home. My office computer is a newer (though not new) iMac, so I'll look forward to trying out the L5 improvements myself.

Leonard Calhoun said:

Thanks.  It's just strange going from "silver" to 2 notches below- "starter."  Also- with over 700 books already purchased (old silver)- how on earth could I discern if I still "have" them all?  Looking for some assurance here.  But I think I'll take the leap.  

Well you could always check your Library count by clicking the Library icon and looking at the greyed out number before you type anything.

Leonard Calhoun said:

It's just strange going from "silver" to 2 notches below- "starter."

Why would you want to do that? Much better to wait for the crossgrade. See my post above.

OK - so the 600lbs gorilla in the room for me is this. I love Logos, but all you have to do is browse this forum to see that the MAC version has been buggy, lacked feature parity, and even many of the features promised never materialized. Crashes, data loss and other problems have been met with "Please send us your log files and we will see what we can do." Now we have an entirely new version (5). For me the "upgrade" is over $600 to move from Platinum 5 to Platinum 5 after spending thousands of dollars over the years.

So here is my question - how do we know with certainty that the MAC version works and has the same features being promoted? We were told we would reach feature parity before. We didn't. We were told we were buying a stable finished MAC product. Arguably, we weren't. 

Will my $600 upgrade finally get me a MAC product that works and is the same feature rich tool I had on Windows?

TCBlack said:

There remain a few of the old L4 issues to clean up, except handouts which are deprecated.

Now there is my concern.

PLEASE understand me. I teach a full course on Logos and have gotten the school where teach to require it for all students. I LOVE LOGOS! But more and more of my students are MAC users - and many have had ongoing issues since the bought it. With "a few things left to clean up" what are those things? 

I found this from KS4J:

[quote]Wiki has list of know feature parity issues => http://wiki.logos.com/Mac_and_PC_User_Interface_Differences#Feature_Parity that reduced when Logos 4.6a was released.

fgh said:

Dan Francis said:

I decided to take a leap… I looked at the options and found i could purchase the starter upgrade for a little over $50, all I can say Logos has finally released a stable mac app. 

You realize you probably paid almost as much as the crossgrade will cost, while getting almost none of the new databases/features? Essentially, all you got was the free engine plus some books you probably don't want. I can get the Starter upgrade for $25.81, but I still don't consider it worth the price. I'm hoping for a good upgrade to the Catholic packages, otherwise I'll go with the crossgrade, which will be much more worth the price.

Perhaps i didm;t understand things close enough…. I do have the catholic scholars package already, I just assumed all base databases would be included the sameway 4 included all base databases. After the dust settles I can always call customer service and straighten things out but for now I have a logos that works smoother for me for not too much money.

-Dan

It is pretty uncool that people have have to pay $$$$$  forced upgrade if they just bought their software let alone buggy Logos 4 software - This was foreseeable ( reason why I held off from buying......)

Someone very wise one said "do unto others as you would like them to doing to you"  (for they surely will).

Real "Christian Disciples of Jesus" are noble and "show class" in their conduct -  this cannot be denied.

Shalom

Fr. Charles R. Matheny said:

I appreciate the reply's but am still totally confused, I mean really confused.

Have you read http://community.logos.com/forums/t/58259.aspx?

I am on the fence at this point about just upgrading from L4 Platinum to
L5 Platinum still.  Are there any Mac users that have done this
upgrade?  I would like to hear some feedback as to your experiences
using the new L5.  I bought into Accordance because it was fast and
light but it doesn't have a huge wealth of resources.   Logos, to me, is
like the research library.  It's large and cumbersome and every time it
adds updates or materials, it brings my system to its knees.  I only
have 12 gigs of ram and indexing eats the 4 or 5 gigs I have free.  When
you want to find something and find it quickly across a vast and huge
library, Logos can most certainly deliver that.  I really would love to
hear from somebody that has done this upgrade and has comments on the
ease of searching and overall how the speed is compared to 4.  Part of me wants to love this thing to death and pour more money in it and part of me wants to sell the resources for what I can get and just go with Accordance.  I've got 4k wrapped up in Platinum and several other resources and am not sure about paying over 700 with taxes to keep me in the game.  Right now, there is a 15 percent discount to do that but next week, it might be gone.  If I wait for the crossgrade, and I come to figure out that none of my current resources can utilize all this new flashy bells and whistles stuff in 5 and they have yanked the upgrade discount.....  I also know that you can't go back.  Once you upgrade, it's a one way street.  There is no turning back and you have to live with your choice be it good or bad.  Right now, I am out a huge chunk of change and am seriously wondering if perhaps I have got myself in the mud up to the axles or not.....

Still don't think something is right. If 5 will not work/perform correctly without buying new resources, then I am still having to pay again to get the first purchase to work correctly.

It is what it is.

alabama24 said:

Mike Singer said:

It is pretty uncool that people have have to pay $$$  forced upgrade

Who is being forced to upgrade? I think you have misunderstood something along the line. Read Bob's post HERE

A reasonable price to upgrade (software) I don't mind. At the same I don't think there is one person in the Logos 4 Mac forums who would willingly stay with version 4.
I would be interested to know what 'underneath the bonnet' changes Logos has made. Is the L5 platform better, and more specifically is the Logos 5 platform/engine better and not as technically hampered as L4 was.

Also - having read Bob's posting - I still have a question about 'upgrading'. When I go to the upgrade page (http://www.logos.com/upgrade) while logged in, it has specific pricing for me, so far so good, and I understand about resources carrying over. However... when I look at the different packages it says, next to Books, the word 'Features'. Under that there is a number of 'features', and the lower packages have significantly less features. Starter has 25, Bronze has 46 and it is not until you get to Platinum that you get all 'Features'. What are they, and do you get a less capable (feature wise) piece of software if you get the lower priced package — because you already have all the content you need at this time.