Maybe it is time for Logos to Change its Business Model

I think the present model is just fine and working well for most people: changing the model now would be re-negging on the promises made to everyone when they first go on board whether that was a few months ago or more than a decade ago, that the software would remain free and you only pay if you want more resources.

I like your new car analogy: many are satisfied with the used car: so what is wrong with staying with the model you bought into: absoutely nothing, the resources you bought and the Logos 4 software work just fine for everyone, well almost everyone.  The only problem is that there is a shiny new car available in the showroom.  You do not have to buy the new model, the current one is working well for you and most of the rest of us.  Is the essence of the complaining that you expect Logos to invest tens of thousands of  extra dollars so that they have enough servers and enough bandwidth to serve every new customer the new software package the moment it is released ? 

The only potential "benefit" to changing the business model to make people pay for a shiny new version of the software would likely be that the direction of the complaints would change, but only a very little.  Then the complaints would be that Logos is charging too much for the shiny new software. Did we all have to rush out and buy new faster computers with touch screens and Windows 8 in the last week or so ?  Did we all rush out and buy a new iPad mini this week ? Do we have to pay anything at all for our existing packages of resources to still work ? 

If Ford, GM or Toyota come out with a new model with the same name as the one you already have (by the same model name) which has more room and more better features and better gas mileage do you get upset because yours does not ?  How many people are posting in the Microsoft User Forums this week complaining that they called the new operating system "Windows" when it should have been called "Tiles" because it does not have the same content as the old windows they are familar with ?

Bottom line is that Logos uses a business model which requires book sales in order for them to meet payroll cost; if the economy picks up (IF) then they might sell more and be able to make a profit.  Right now the economy is not doing so well so sales are going to be tighter all round.

If you really really really need to get a look at the new software and you have a top end package like Portfolio JG for Logos 4, than take a look at your cost to "upgrade" to Bronze or Silver to get an opportunity to kick the tires and see how it performs.  Do this through a chat with someone in the sales department, make sure you BOTH note what discounts you may have been offered to upgrade to higher packages (as this might change when you upgrade to a different package), and if the new model is less than you hoped for use the 30 day return policy and get a refund.  If you like what you see, take a couple of weeks to see whether you want to add any of the new resources offered in packages, these are all optional, Logos works quite well with sets and collections of resources which have nothing to do with any of the packages.  Just make a decision on additional resources per teh packages (or not) within the 30 day period to keep everything easy within existing return policies.  Buy the resources you need and will use.  Just be aware that there are major discounts if your wants/needs happen to match what is offered in named packages and these are good enough that, for many, the package is a better deal even if you already know the package contains some resources you will likely never use; its the deal you get on the resources in the package that you will likely use that should help make the decision for you.

If like some of use your money is tight right now, then sit it out and wait a while.

There should be a couple of good sermon topics re the reactions we have seen on the forums these last few days....... [*-)]

Well, I certainly try to do my part to fund Bob's .34% profit. I try my best only to buy Libronix books. So the profit after royalty must be a bunch!! Plus I have a bad tendency to get the 'scholarly' ones (that ARE well priced on Logos). I'm even stupid enough to forego the community price ones and then a couple months later, buy at full price. Now THAT is REALLY supporting Bob's .34% profit margin!!

But more seriously, as I understand it, the software and books are closely linked (why they won't make me any more Libronix books .... tears in my beer). And why the XP'ers are going to soon run into problems buying books.

To extend your car analogy - a year ago we purchased a new car. we were able to get most of the options we wanted at a good price by purchasing a certain package. However we didn't want to step up to the next higher level just to get one particular option. However, for Christmas this year I am taking my wife's one year old car back to the dealer and having them install the remote starter. I support the dealer by having him do the install and Since it uses factory-direct parts it will Integrate seamlessly with the remote entry she already has. The key is Factory parts that are available individually after the sale allows the dealer to generate sales and keeps me happy in a well performing vehicle without purchasing a new one every year.

I think too many people are getting hung up on the label of their package and are forgetting that Logos continues to roll out new products all the time. I don't have to wait until L6 comes out nor do I have to upgrade to a package level to gain new resources that 1) make profit for Logos and 2) make me a better student of the Word. Purchasing the Lexham Discourse Hebrew Bundle a month ago is an example of what I am talking about.

Tony Thomas said:

The difference is that users who have spent a lot of $$ in the past but need no new resources are made to feel like second-class citizens.  If you roll out software (minimal crossgrade) at the same time as packages at a reasonable price, then everyone is happy.  

And as far as server load and bandwidth, the software alone has a much smaller footprint than the software plus packages, so that shouldn't be a huge issue.  In any case, there are scalable server options like Amazon EC2 that you can configure in minutes and rent by the hour.  

The bottom line is that great companies provide a great customer experience.  And this hasn't been a great customer experience for many of us

There are some differences between how Logos upgrades compared to Microsoft for example. The main difference is that in Logos you can call and talk to a person and make an order or get help with your installation for FREE. It may be easy to rent additional servers for a month, but it is not easy to hire temporary help for a month who can adequately help customers. 

I am happy with the present business model of Logos where they will upgrade the main software program for free. Retirement and fixed income is about 10 years away and I very much want them to keep the present business model. I have spend about $4,000 with Logos and will keep on spending for awhile. But I know that will change in the future.

I have wasted money in the past with Bible software who wanted to resell a commentary set rather update your software. Waiting a month does not make me feel like a second class customer. Having to throw out an electronic version of a commentary set that cost $100 because it no longer works makes me feel like a second class customer.

Tony I appreciate your comments about being able to purchase upgrades to the Logos program when new releases are made available to the public.  For what's worth I agree and would appreciate this being offered for future updates.

Of course, it was most unfortunate that their server(s) were down intermittently during launch day, presumably due to unusually high traffic.  Because of this, I had difficulty using my Logos 4 program (I enable Internet use and the Homepage), but I survived.  

With regards to Logos 5, I was unable to read what exactly the new base packages were all about.  Left to my own devices there was shock, disbelief, and frustration, which was exasperated due to the above mentioned problems. 

Now that I understand my Platinum+ content remains intact, as well as my Logos 4 program, all that remains is now a desire to use the new features of Logos 5 (especially interested in the sermon utility).  I think this "desire" made a "top 10 list" somewhere early in the Bible.   Wish I could blame growth on my part, but for some reason just not upset or anxious to upgrade for $550 (approximately) for Gold.  While I believe this package represents good value, I do not need more books not to read, but would enjoy accessing some of the new features sooner than later - but not at any price.

Tony perhaps next time around there will be an upgrade option available to us on launch day.