What "Soon" means or at least approximately means would be helpful.
First off this is not a complaint thread.
I would just like an estimated for the approximate time frame for the activation of the minimal cross grade.
Are we talking any day, a week or two, a month or two?
I fall into the category of very excited (possibly anxious) to upgrade but can't even remotely afford to do the regular upgrade (in my case platinum L4 to platinum L5 is $643) even with the payment plan.
If I new it was more than a couple days I'd quit checking all the time.
Forgive me if its been already said but all I've found was "soon" and one guy saying a rep he talked to on the phone said after Christmas which in my book isn't "soon". I probably just need to be patient but I don't think it's uncalled for to ask.
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Dale Winters said:
I would just like an estimated for the approximate time frame for the activation of the minimal cross grade.
Are we talking any day, a week or two, a month or two?
The consolidated best guesses have been about two months. I would expect January. It could be sooner, but I would not assume later.
Not a problem at all. :-)Dale Winters said:I probably just need to be patient but I don't think it's uncalled for to ask.
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Dale Winters said:
Are we talking any day, a week or two, a month or two?
Your second guess is about on track with our current plans.
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I would also say that "soon" is not January.
Soon would be next week
Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
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Thanks for that Phil.
So, just to confirm we will have a cross-grade in a week?
Any indiction of costs for a 'full feature' cross-grade?
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The sooner the better so that I can get it paid for before this year's book budget year ends!
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Graeme Adams said:
So, just to confirm we will have a cross-grade in a week?
No official commitment yet, but we're working on it now and could have it live on the website in the next week or two. Again, that's not a guarantee. That represents our current plans. We'll provide a concrete date as soon as it's available.
Graeme Adams said:Any indiction of costs for a 'full feature' cross-grade?
We're still working on the exact contents that the MCs will include. The smaller one, which might lack one or two features, will probably be between $75 and $150. The larger one, with all the features plus a few core resources, will probably be between $150 and $300, depending on which version of the software you're moving from. For Logos 4 users, it'll be on the lower end of those ranges. For Logos 3, it'll be a bit more expensive. For Logos 2 users, even more.
For Logos 5 Starter to Silver users who are just looking to pick up the missing features, it'll be significantly lower. Dynamic pricing will apply to both products, so the ownership discount will be applied as appropriate.
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Thanks Phil for the helpful reply - so "soon" could really be soon
Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
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Very grateful for this information.
Should maybe be posted in a more prominent place, as I'm sure others will find this more than a little helpful.
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"The larger one, with all the features plus a few core resources, will probably be between $150 and $300".
So, by ALL resources, do you mean the ones from Gold? Or including Septuagint translation? Because if so and it includes the LXX (which I would call a core resource), that larger one is sounding mighty fine right about now
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Matt Robertson said:
So, by ALL resources, do you mean the ones from Gold?
Phil said "a few core resources" meaning those that are required to make "all the features" work e.g. Lexham Hebrew Bible, Lexham Greek-English Interlinear:SBL are required for Clause Search (plus the Clause Search data set!). Other features of BWS require new Data Sets.
Dave
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Alan Bester said:
I would also say that "soon" is not January.
Soon would be next week
No, soon would be in 5 minutes. [:D]
george
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Wonderful news! Thanks for the information.
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Thank you Phil for clarifying and for taking time to read/respond to the forums!
That in my book is good customer service and very appreciated!
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Thanks for the update Phil. I am surprised that 1) a tentative date was shared and 2) it is so soon. The new director of marketing over there must be a really cool guy
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Dale Winters said:
Thank you Phil for clarifying and for taking time to read/respond to the forums!
Yep, agreed.
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Phil Gons said:
and could have it live on the website in the next week or two. Again, that's not a guarantee. That represents our current plans. We'll provide a concrete date as soon as it's available.
This is very good news [Y]
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Good news indeed.
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Yes, that is good news. I needed a little pick-me-up today. This helps...
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This is the best answer from a Logos Employee to date! Thank you for actually giving helpful information!
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JH said:
Yes, that is good news. I needed a little pick-me-up today. This helps...
After last night I need more than a LITTLE pick-me-up. [:'(]
george
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You shoulda voted more often. It worked in 2000/2004.George Somsel said:After last night I need more than a LITTLE pick-me-up.
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What is biblical "soon"? Is it 2 Pe 3:8 or something like it? [;)]
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Paul C said:
You shoulda voted more often. It worked in 2000/2004.George Somsel said:After last night I need more than a LITTLE pick-me-up.
Almost worked. Gore still lost.
george
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george
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So did Romney. [:P] Or can we expect another rigged supreme court decision?George Somsel said:Gore still lost.
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Phil Gons said:
We're still working on the exact contents that the MCs will include. The smaller one, which might lack one or two features, will probably be between $75 and $150. The larger one, with all the features plus a few core resources, will probably be between $150 and $300, depending on which version of the software you're moving from. For Logos 4 users, it'll be on the lower end of those ranges. For Logos 3, it'll be a bit more expensive. For Logos 2 users, even more.
For Logos 5 Starter to Silver users who are just looking to pick up the missing features, it'll be significantly lower. Dynamic pricing will apply to both products, so the ownership discount will be applied as appropriate.
I know nothing is set in stone, but if I'm reading Phil's post correctly, the lowest cost will be around $150 for everything. I was hoping that "everything" for the crossgrade will be no more than $100. However, if the crossgrade includes resources and that increases the price, then I understand why it would be more.
What I am interested in is having access to all the new features and things that Logos 5 can do. I hope that won't cost me $300. I currently have L4 Platinum and can upgrade to Gold for about $380.
As I already stated, no final decisions have been made, but I wonder if I am misunderstanding Phil's post.
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Paul C said:
So did Romney.George Somsel said:Gore still lost.
Or can we expect another rigged supreme court decision?Yes, he did. Now, after 4 more years of this incompetent and traitorous administration, it may take another century to turn the ship of state in a more proper direction. BTW: The Supreme Court decision was correct.
george
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Looking forward to the "Core" and "Core Light" options.
Personally, I love the idea of just having the core functionality without all the extra resources. I come to Logos for it's powerful word study and cross referencing (value-added tools), not all the bundled e-paperbacks.
Thanks Logos for all that you do. We're behind you and hope you receive all of our response as loving support and simply trying to effectively communicate what we value to help you prosper.
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Phil Gons said:
We're still working on the exact contents that the MCs will include. The smaller one, which might lack one or two features, will probably be between $75 and $150. The larger one, with all the features plus a few core resources, will probably be between $150 and $300, depending on which version of the software you're moving from. For Logos 4 users, it'll be on the lower end of those ranges. For Logos 3, it'll be a bit more expensive. For Logos 2 users, even more.
That is very encouraging news. I'm happy to pay for the new features. I'm not one of the (very few, but vocal) who want it for nothing. What I don't want is to pay for a bunch of new resources I neither need nor want in an upgrade package just to get the new data sets. I would still spend that money on Logos resources, but it would be on resources I want. That makes for happier customers, in my never-owned-a-retail-business opinion.
Again, thanks for the encouraging news.
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George Somsel said:
Yes, he did. Now, after 4 more years of this incompetent and traitorous administration, it may take another century to turn the ship of state in a more proper direction. BTW: The Supreme Court decision was correct.
George, I love you. Aversion to interlinears and all...
I hope I get to meet you sometime this side of glory. I'm with you on your impressively brief synopsis.I hope that all of us here remember Daniel 2:21: "he removes kings and sets up kings." Christians do have a responsibility to trust in God's providence at all times. (I'm not saying you don't, just thought we all need this reminder...)
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Uh oh. I didn't read Phil's statement too careful. "Logos 3" users. I wonder how they'll know I'm using Logos3? Probably at least for the next few weeks, I'll use my Logos4. Synchronize a lot. Maybe makes some notes. Just in case.
Actually Phil's little messages is absolutely great news (after hearing about Logos5, of course).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
I wonder how they'll know I'm using Logos3?
They are spying on you through the camera on your display, which is why mine does not have a camera [:D]
Phil was likely referring to those who purchased L3 and never upgraded to L4—but you probably already guessed this [H]
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Yes, agreed! Thank you.
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Jack Caviness said:
Phil was likely referring to those who purchased L3 and never upgraded to L4—but you probably already guessed this
I think it have to be more for those who have never upgraded to L4 Base Package or at least to the Minimal Crossgrade (even if they installed Logos 4 engine). They will actually buy both minimal crossgrades, Logos 4 and Logos 5 one. In Logos 5 case it have to include also some resources connected to the new features.
It is very fair and flexible from Logos IMHO. I really appreciate them for that approach.
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So did Romney.
Paul C:George Somsel:Gore still lost. Or can we expect another rigged supreme court decision?
Yes, he did. Now, after 4 more years of this incompetent and traitorous administration, it may take another century to turn the ship of state in a more proper direction. BTW: The Supreme Court decision was correct.
Ok, sorry here in advance (First off-I am NOT Judging anyone, that is someone else's job [;)])...But I am a man who stands FIRMLY under God's Inerrant Word.
So the question I pose to everyone that favors the Democratic party.How can ANY TRUE professed Christian, vote Democrat? Granted, the Republicans have issues too, but there are BIG issues that the the Dems ACTIVELY support: Homosexuality, Gay-Marriage, and Abortion (do you realize what partial-birth abortion is-they suck the brains out of the child as it is exiting the womb! [:@]). DO you realize that statically the mothers womb, IS NOW THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE for a baby?!!
These topics are CLEARLY outlined within Scripture, and are clearly against God's desire for His children. So again, to those that support the Dems...please use your Great LOGOS software to research God's Holy Word, and STAND FIRMLY under it. What this world needs now more that anything is Preachers and all Christians to stand up as true Biblical leaders of our current immoral society. We must educate and teach our people, with love, how wrong and unscriptural these things are...Brothers and Sisters...it is time to get busy!
Lastly, if your a "liberal" "Pastor" who supports these things...you will have some explaining to do to your Creator...
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Bob once said soon and it was about a year.. albeit in a different context, so guess we will see it when we see it..
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Preacherman said:
Ok, sorry here in advance (First off-I am NOT Judging anyone, that is someone else's job
Hi Preacherman,
Even as a Brit, I appreciate that passions run high around election time... I am also guessing, reading between the lines and putting two and two together, that you may be a Republican [:D]
I, therefore, appreciate your profound disappointment.
I just thought I should flag that Logos ask forum users to not debate 'biblical, theological or other controversial topics...' It appears, inadvertently, you have manage to tick all three boxes within a single post [:D]
In all seriousness, you may wish to edit your post so that it conforms within the forum guidelines. The primary purpose of this forum is to discuss Logos Bible Software. I appreciate, from your post count, that you may not yet have come across the forum guidelines. You can read them, here,
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/10072.aspx
You kind consideration is very much appreciated.
Every blessing [:D]
[Edit: Having read earlier posts, I note that you are responding to earlier politically orientated discussion. It would be really good if we could all be mindful of the guidelines.]
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Jack ... yes, I knew. And to be really honest, when I saw Bob's 'official' thread and then Phil's (which thrilled me even more), I was a happy camper. As you can imagine, the marketing angle does rile me up.
Obviously I don't work at Logos but best I can figure, L5 has more hebrew-ish/greek-ish work in it than the Hebrew Discourse. Whatever their asking is, is going to be worth it.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
Whatever their asking is, is going to be worth it.
Agreed [8-|] Think I need to stop trying to put out forum fires and learn to really use all these new tools [H]
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The forums are not a place for theology/political conversations. For everyone who was participating in this conversation, please take this conversation elsewhere.Preacherman said:Ok, sorry here in advance...
We have devoted Christians who support republicans and we have devoted Christians who support democrats, and both groups use and have scripture to support their understanding.
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tom said:
We have devoted Christians who support republicans and we have devoted Christians who support democrats, and both groups use and have scripture to support their understanding.
WRONG. There is no scripture that supports the murder of children.
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Tom Castle
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Tom Castle said:
There is no...
Greetings Tom!
Please familiarise yourself with the forum guidelines, here,
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/10072.aspx
Logos has requested that we do not engage in this kind of debate within their forums.
Your kind consideration will be greatly appreciated.
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Andy... with all due respect, I'm very well versed in the forum guidelines. My post count is misleading due to an email change.
However, I RESPONDED to someone (Tom) making a dire charge on the forums. My apologies that I felt compelled to answer - but I did. (This passion is why the guidelines are there in the first place).
At any rate, I've said my piece.
In HIS Eternal Service,
Tom Castle
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Thanks Phil,
Now some of us can slow down the forum hopping and work on sermons and stuff like that.[:D]
Bob
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I know it's difficult for you to understand, ( from your vantage point, across the pond ) But over here, republicans do not consider themselves bound by rules or guidelines...even when they profess to be well versed. [:)]Andy Evans said:Logos has requested that we do not engage in this kind of debate within their forums.
Your kind consideration will be greatly appreciated.
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Tom Castle said:
My post count is misleading due to an email change.
Apologies, Tom, I should have realised this [:$] I do actually recall reading your posts... It is getting late in the UK, or at least that is my excuse.
Tom Castle said:At any rate, I've said my piece.
I do appreciate the temptation... The problem is that someone may equally be tempted to respond to your response. And then someone is tempted to respond to the response to your response. And then again someone is tempted to respond to the response to the response to your response... [:|] And that is rarely helpful and rarely productive in the context of online forums.
In all seriousness, I do sincerely appreciate your response... And apologise that I mistook you for a newbie (you have, no doubt, been around far longer than me).
Finally, for absolute clarity, I don't have an axe to grind. I am in the UK and am ill qualified to distinguish, much less adjudicate, between Republican and Democratic policy... Now if you want to talk about the Conservative Party, the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats, that is something else entirely [:P]
Blessings [:D]
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The sign says no swimming, but someone's drowning! What to do, what to do.....
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Republicans , often being Bible-thumpers, are in a more "precarious" position than Democrats, who are perceived to be "godless". Judgment, and expectations, begin "in the house of God". Republican sins are different than Democrat sins, hypothetically, but they will receive equal, if not harsher, treatment. I have no use for either, myself. I look for the city whose builder and maker is YHWH. There will be neither democrats nor republicans in the kingdom. Same is true for Catholics, Protestants, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, Reformed, Arminian, Mormons, Adventists, Witnesses, and every other fill-in-the-blank "ism" that exists. It all is a violation of Deut. 4:2 & Deut. 12:32.
We'll get confirmation "soon" enough.
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Based on John's use of the word in The Revelation, "soon" means "approximately 2,000 years (or more)."
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