Min Cross Grade Is Live

Thanks Dave.  I think I understand more now.

Joshua Coady said:

David Shaw said:

Not complaining at all.  I am quite happy with the cross-grade, I can't really afford to get to L5 Silver by any route.  

I just found it interesting that the total cost to upgrade to L5 Silver goes up A-LOT post cross-grade.  I can understand a slight increase in cost for the "two-step" route over just upgrading directly.  But this way it would be $250+ more.  It seems that after paying for the cross-grade, if one were, for some reason, to upgrade to L5 Silver it would be reduced by the cost of the cross-grade or at least some factor of the cross-grade.  After all, one would have just added a certain amount of resources and data sets to the L5 package.  With all the issues the upgrade calculator has been through in the last two weeks, I wonder if this is a possible issue/unforeseen or unintended consequence.

Again, I love this product and I am happy with this Logos 5. 

This is because the L4 -> L5 discounts are 15-25% while the L5 -> L5 discounts are only 5-15%.

 

Bronze was 440 before the crossgrade, and is now 200, silver was 600+ and is now 401$... For me it was a net decrease in price, with the same discount schedule as before.

Perhaps your case is an unfortunate glitch (or perhaps mine is a fortunate one).

Thanks Logos, I definitely plan to get this.  To me, going from 4 to 5 with all new functionality of 5 is an upgrade but whatever you want to call it for marketing purposes doesn't matter to me.  [:)] So, effectively you increased my planned business of upgrading my V4 Bible Study Library to the $159 Crossgrade, instead of the $70 Starter.  Bronze never was an option due to budget.  (some day, hopefully)  Blessings to you.

Kim Pagel said:

I have Crossgrade Fever. Mark, your video sold me!

Where is Marks video to be found?

Just Upgraded to Silver and got the CrossGrade for $6.14 [:D]

Patrick, sorry no Haggis, the aching void is being filled up as we speak!... anyway, they're just too hard to catch this time of the year...[8-|]

Andrew you have L5 and the cross grade is $150?

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NB.Mick said:

I assume youre on L4 Silver?

Ah yes. I understand now. Thanks for the clarification NB Mick.

I upgraded my Logos 4 Scholar to Logos 5 Silver and this morning, I did a minimal Crossgrade upgrade for around 6$, which added the Bible Sense Lexicon feature. Awesome!

By the way, @John Fidel: I'm running Logos 5 on a Mac and I'm very happy! (i7, 3.4 Ghz, with 8 Gb Ram, standard Hard Drivee 7200 RPM.)

John Fidel said:

Patrick, I am interested in your thoughts on how L5 works on your Mac... of course you probably went back to sleep and haven't had a chance to try it out yet... but when you do please chime in.

Hi — I'm still awake, looking around at everything and using Mark Barnes video for an intro. If you mean by "how L5 works on your Mac" how it is performing and running, then I would say so far quite OK.

I already, some time ago, finished with the download of the 1.7 GB of update resources. The indexing went fairly fast with all four physical CPU cores being used.

Overall again I would say version 5 is performing well, I put that down to the upgrades to .NET & Mono. I am running a 2011 iMac with i7 3.4 GHz processor & 16 GB of RAM. The application is only using 990 MB and there is still a lot free (unallocated) so Logos 5 could grab more memory. 

Doing silly shotgun queries like the word 'love' in entire library where I get 238,298 results in 83,221 articles in 1,328 resources (0.75 sec) I see all cores are used and the total CPU load goes up to 130% (but that's spread over 4 hyperthreaded = 8 virtual cores so each core is not at all stressed). I see that now when there is a huge dataset returned it does not display all results in the query window which is good — I'm pretty sure that was not so in Logos 4 (or if it was they changed it in some recent version).

I did one of my nasty tests — bringing up Text Comparison tool and entering 'Isaiah', the whole book. Logos still goes a bit berserk and only one core is used with CPU @ 100% and CPU temp going from 36º to 50º (see screenshot below done after it finished). Because one core is fully maxed out even though the other 3/7 cores are idle the system is maxed out.

It would be good if Logos could improve this as per this previous discussion http://community.logos.com/forums/p/58582/418743.aspx#418743 . Having said all that, even when it was struggling it was definitely better behaved than Logos 4. Of course during normal usage the CPU usage went nowhere up to 100%.

So far I have had only one hard application crash, it just dropped into the OS.

I'm still looking around enjoying the new features and will be able to comment more later — I would say again though that for any Logos 4 Mac user it's a 'no brainer', esp. the Crossgrade.

Got it - that's really weird that those datasets and features wouldn't be included in a $270 upgrade package...

The $6.14 is a small price... I just wonder why that wasn't rolled into the upgrade. I wonder how many people upgrade, thinking that they've got everything, yet are missing out on that final piece. Just a little confusing.

Is there a free L5 engine upgrade?

Thanks

Patrick S. said:

If one buys the Crossgrade after the Logos 5 Silver 'expansion' then the Crossgrade price drops to about $6.

WARNING: That   $7  price is not supposed to last. The correct price was $25 but there were problems with website display.

I would get it now if I were you. PHIL GONS reported on another thread that Logos will honor the $7 price until they get the web display fixed.

Well, I got the minimal and now all packages show a substantial increase and I WAS an L4 Scholar's owner...

Oh well...

For those that have the L4 Bible Study Library...I upgraded from it to L5 Starter for $66 last week and last night purschased the MC for $99.  So a few dollars more than the $160 MC.  I think I received a one or two new resources with the L5 Starter upgrade but I'm not sure.  Either way, still a great price.

Bill Cook said:

I had L4 Scholar's Gold, bought minimal crossgrade for $135.xx...  If I ever do want to upgrade to a package, I must start all over again. I kind of feel like a minimal customer, now...after spending over $1800.00.

Bill,

Where does the idea that you 'have to start all over again' come from? In order for that to be the case, wouldn't you have had to experience a loss of what you started with before? What have you lost? The title of your package? Did they take any resources from you? 

This kinda thinking baffles me. I thought about preaching, "What's in a Title?" Sunday but my congregation doesn't read these forums... HAHA.

Peace, my brother. You're not a second hand citizen in the Logos hierarchy. You have the SAME package you had before.... Only, now, you have the brand new, shiny Logos 5 feature set to go along with it. That, by any definition, is an UPGRADE.

Enjoy.

David Sawyer said:

Same for me, Mark's new video clinched it!

What is the link to Mark's video.

Tom Castle said:

Where does the idea that you 'have to start all over again' come from? In order for that to be the case, wouldn't you have had to experience a loss of what you started with before? What have you lost? The title of your package? Did they take any resources from you?

Well, I am not worried about a title - like "Gold user". But, here is what I see - before the crossgrade, the L5 Gold for me was $500.xx. But, that was more than I could do. I got the minimal crossgrade for $135.xx. Now, each package has increased, not decreased. Now, the Gold is $575.00 for me. So, it looks like I lost $135.xx + ($575 - $500 = $$75) or about $200.xx if I wanted to upgrade to Gold again... It seems like Gold should now be $365 instead of $575.

** The Crossgrade is actually the real 'upgrade' from L4 to L5 and is
priced attractively. However for the best bang-for-buck a lot of people
are going to L5 Silver then getting the Crossgrade. If one buys the
Crossgrade after the Logos 5 Silver 'expansion' then the Crossgrade price drops to about $6. **

That's correct. I upgraded from L 4 Scholars to L 5 Silver and got all of the new Data Sets with the exception of the Bible Sense Lexicon (which comes with L 5 Gold and up -- an additional $500 over L5 Silver). I then purchased the Bible Sense Lexicon Data Set for $6.18 as an add-on to L 5 Silver. The entire expense was only about what Logos wanted (previously) to upgrade me from L 4 Scholars to L4 Silver (not L 5).

So one way to look at it is -- I  upgraded from Basic Scholars L 4 to Silver L 5 an got the L5 Framework and ALL of the new Data Sets (essentially) for free (after I purchased the Bible Sense Lexicon for $6.18 an an add-on).

If you are thinking about upgrading at all from L 4 Scholars to L 5 Silver, be sure you purchase L 5 Silver BEFORE you purchase the Minimal Cross grade (for the single lacking Data Set) -- it will be cheaper that way.

SteveF said:

Patrick S. said:

If one buys the Crossgrade after the Logos 5 Silver 'expansion' then the Crossgrade price drops to about $6.

WARNING: That   $7  price is not supposed to last. The correct price was $25 but there were problems with website display.

I would get it now if I were you. PHIL GONS reported on another thread that Logos will honor the $7 price until they get the web display fixed.

 

Here is the quote from Phil

"I'll let you in on a little secret. There is something preventing us
from setting the correct price for Minimal Crossgrade for Logos 5 Silver
users (which will get you the Bible Senses database). We're working to
adjust it. In the meantime, you're getting a really extra great deal. If
you're on the fence, don't wait. "

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