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Since Logos claims to be a publisher that publishes Christian literature only - giving one Christian denomination precedence over others is not a good thing. My impression is also that there are more Calvinist works to be found here than say Lutheran, Roman Catholic or Orthodox. It might have to do with Logos being an american company and that Calvin more than any other theologian enjoys the greatest following "over there". It might also have to do with the fact that it is Calvin-500 and that third-party publishers who contacts Logos are in fact Calvinists (and Lutheran, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, etc. are just being difficult). Who knows for sure..
Since Logos claims to be a publisher that publishes Christian literature only - giving one Christian denomination precedence over others is not a good thing. My impression is also that there are more Calvinist works to be found here than say Lutheran, Roman Catholic or Orthodox. It might have to do with Logos being an american company and that Calvin more than any other theologian enjoys the greatest following "over there". It might also have to do with the fact that it is Calvin-500 and that third-party publishers who contacts Logos are in fact Calvinists (and Lutheran, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, etc. are just being difficult). Who knows for sure..
There are probably a whole lot of other factors we are not privy to that effect what gets published and what doesn't. Some would definitely involve copyright issues. The actual money-spending customer base will be of primary consideration. (I ate at a Chinese buffet yesterday that had pizza, spaghetti, tacos & enchiladas. Considering demographics in Oklahoma, that makes sense.) I think the Lutheran perspective is very well represented already. The Catholic writings just hit the Pre-pub page with a fury. I am aware of MANY other denominational views either in Pre-pub or already available. I do have to admire the reformed theology clan for their gusto in pushing availability of their works. It is not just Logos that carries them. Wordsearch & Biblesoft have been outlets for the same titles. One area I wish Logos would go is African Christianity. Considering BobP also runs the division in South Africa I would hope to see the African Commentaries in Logos some day.
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Our primary aim is publishing material that helps people study the Bible. This tends to be "Christian" content, but includes some Jewish material as well as purely secular resources -- like the Merriam-Webster Dictionary. (Because it's useful to people studying the Bible.)
Within our organization there are many Christian viewpoints (and probably some non-believers). I'm sure there's a (subtle) bias along the lines of "that author sounds familiar -- let's do their books!" But, with a book count already over 10,000, most of us are way beyond recognizing and being able to theologically classify every book.
Your comments to suggest@logos.com are a big influence on what we publish; the other big influence is our ability to get the publishers to go along.
The only "theological bias" related to publishers we work with is that we've found it harder to work wtih publishers in more hierarchial denominations. If the publisher is owned by a denomination, and/or if the denomination also owns its own bookstores, schools, etc. then it can be slower to work with independents like us, and more reliant on its own channels, and on getting lots of people to sign off before doing something.
It's not impossible to work with these publishers -- and we've had some great success - but it's usually just a bit more time consuming, and that's probably reflected in our catalog of titles.\
Our goal is to have every book on earth that's useful to a student of the Bible. (The ones we can't afford to type we'll scan and put at http://books.logos.com.)
Thanks for keeping the suggestions coming!
-- Bob
Thanks for your input Bob. Your goal and mine "Our goal is to have every book on earth that's useful to a student of the Bible." are the same. Who cares which denominatin publishes it. When studying for my degree, they never asked which denomination published the book, or what the authors view point was. As long as it was relevant to the work being researched the philosophy was, knock your self out.
The more you read and the wider you read the better off you are.
I like George's concept. "I don't need anyone to tell me what I believe". Hope I quoted you right George.
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I like George's concept. "I don't need anyone to tell me what I believe". Hope I quoted you right George.
Every thing written or spoken relating to religion available in Libronix.
It's either exactly what I said or close enough that I wouldn't quibble with it.
george
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Is there any way to setup the forum so I can ignore this thread? It keeps showing up in the top few, and I keep forgetting that it has nothing to do with Logos or its Focus anymore. It's gotten so far off topic I keep wonder whether it will actually fall of the edge of the internet -- there is an edge somewhere, right?
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Is there any way to setup the forum so I can ignore this thread? It keeps showing up in the top few, and I keep forgetting that it has nothing to do with Logos or its Focus anymore. It's gotten so far off topic I keep wonder whether it will actually fall of the edge of the internet -- there is an edge somewhere, right?
I'm afraid not. Remember that the earth is round so that you don't fall off the edge.
Sincerely,
Columbus
george
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Is there any way to setup the forum so I can ignore this thread?I'm afraid not. Remember that the earth is round so that you don't fall off the edge.
I guess I should have seen that coming; after all the discussion has been quite circular (or would that be spherical). [;)]
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the edge? well, i finished reading through this thread, so now I can say "I finished the Internnet". right? 
hehehehhjee
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Michael,
I, too, am very happy to have the Calvinistic writers available in Logos. I am especially excited to see many Puritan Fathers collections in Pre-Pub. I would also like to point out these other Logos titles:
Foundations of Pentecostal Theology
Wesleyan–Arminian Collection (Methodist)
Church of God Digital Library
Collegeville Catholic Reference Library: Full Edition, Version 3
Messianic Jewish Publishers Collection
The Works of H. A. Ironside (Independent Fundamentalist Baptist)
Writings From the Ancient World (Myths)
and the whole series of these publisher's lines
Fortress Press (Lutheran) too many titles to list!
College Press (Christian Church / Church of Christ)
Broadman & Holman (Southern Baptist) too many to list.
Logos is serving many very well. And I think it is only going to get better. [<:o)] !
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I would like to see how may calvinist users there are versus non-calvinist users.
Pastor Michael Huffman, Th.A Th.B Th.M
You forgot those of us in the third category: Calminians. Calvinism takes one aspect of biblical truth: God's sovereigny and pushes it to what I believe is an unbiblical extreme. Arminianism takes one aspect of biblical truth: human free willl and responsibliity and also pushes it to what I believe is an unbiblical extreme. There are elements of truth in both, but neither totally reflect the entire picture of Biblical truth. Therefore I describe myself as a Calminian.
calvinhabig,
I've heard people say they are Calminian but it just doesn't hold water. I believe that saying that Calvinist push the Sovereignty of God to an extreme is usually a straw-man representation of their true position.
I'm interested in your understanding of the "Calvinist position" in a nutshell. Can you do that?
In my limited experience what usually comes out is an inconsistent Arminian position.
(Possibly you'd like to do it through PMs so as to not clog up this thread?)
Robert Pavich
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When I first started studying Calvin I had a hard time understanding why the Calvinists themselves could not agree on what the 5th point is. (Is it "Preservation" of the saints or "Perseverance" of the saints?) There are self-described "5 pointers", "4 pointers", "3 pointers".....never heard anyone go quite as low as two. I am sure that among Calvinists, like among Baptists or Charismatics or Church of Christ flavors, the "hyper"-adherents view all lesser adherents as non-adherents. I have not yet met a believer (Calvinist, Armenian, or "Calminian") who really thought they came to God without God making the first move. I have met a lot of preachers who mistakenly thought their silky smooth words from a pulpit could win the most hardened heart. THAT is who you need to be contending with.
Regarding the 5th point: - Literally speaking ,God Preserves the saints OR saints Persevere. No true "hyper"-Calivinist could ever believe in the latter since it gives credit to the saints instead of glory to the Sovereign God.
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Hi Matthew,
I am a calvinist.
Could i ask you a question on another topic AV only? A yes or No answer will do, so that i am not seen to be hijacking this thread ,if you do not mind.
Ted
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Yes. But I'm not willing to draw anyone's blood over which version they should read.
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Thanks, i appreciate this. AV only - would they have an issue with the NKJV? A "Yes" or "NO" answer will do & then i am done. Or you could recommend a book for me to look up.
Every Blessings,
Ted.
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Yes, imho, they do.
I have found that when someone identifies themselves as an AV ("KJV") only person, they will have issues with the NKJV as well as any other version. The fundamental difference is not in which version is the best translation but appears to be a faith-based conviction that the 1611 Authorized Version is "God's Word for the English-speaking peoples." I find it interesting that leaders such as Jerry Falwell, Charles Stanley, Billy Graham have been called everything from errant brothers to heretics by the KJV-only tribe.
I have heard from many sides of this debate. Most want to make personal attacks on each other or ridicule by misrepresenting their opponent's statements. There are colorful personalities on both sides that offer a lot of fuel to the fire. I do find a lot of valid points get raised in spite of the loose canons firing indiscriminately at everything that moves. There does appear to be a change in the language of modern translations that question key Bible doctrines. There does appear to be a flippant attitude that promotes a cafeteria plan of Christian doctrine -- a "whatever floats your boat" mentality.
Disclaimer: Many of my KJV-only friends think I am a poor, misguided soul for my lack of dogma in this arena.. I have a much bigger argument with the cheapening of grace and disrespect of God than I do with what version we read.
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Thank you very much and every blessings. As promised i am done, no further question.[Y][Y]
Ted
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Ted,
You have asked this question several times and I believe you deserve a strait answer; the answer Mr. Jones gave is not that.
It is much more fundamental; the AV is based on the Textus Receptus (TR) Greek and the modern versions are based on the Critical Text (CT). The TR is the Greek version of the NT that was passed down from generation to generation and preserved even if ones life was dependendent on preserving the Greek Text. The Critical Text is based on Greek Texts that were rejected because they came out of the Arian controversy; if you are Calvin then the TR represents your belief better than the CT which was rejected by the Church Fathers and attempts to produced Greek texts that reflect a more Arian view.
This being the case, your NKJV is not based on the TR; thus, it would not be consider AV.
I hope this helps.
God bless you and keep you,
Ken
Coreluv
What in the world ever gave you that idea? There is nothing Arian regarding the Critical Text or the texts on which it is based. The TR is the corrupt text as has been shown time and again. The Pericope Adultera, the Johannine Coma, numerous errors in single words such as the one you earlier asked regarding in Revelation. It didn't occur to me to check the TR on that since I knew the TR was corrupt which is why I wasn't aware that there was actually a textual difference. Even the Byzantine Majority text is an improvement on the TR. You realize, I suppose, that Erasmus even had to backtranslate from the Vulgate since there were some verses for which he had no text. I think the NKJV is also based on the the TR which is one reason I would never use it.
george
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It is interesting that Ha Satan quoted the Bible; Jesus, corrected him because he misrepresented the information. Notice, Ha Satan did not lie; in other words you can be telling the truth; though, not tell the whole story, giving a fasle representation of the truth. For this I will not contend with what you have said; though, I will note that it is not obvious that the entire story is being told; thus, it is not apperant that the truth is being represented in its proper context.
Coreluv
You mean to tell me there is now a name for us? [:D] Glad to know there is a box I can be sorted into now.!
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My apologies all around for any part I played in furthering this little OT dustup. I sincerely did not mean to help move us further OffTopic. I just (good naturedly) couldn't help but remind our brother that there are all sorts of theological nuances on these forums and using Libronix. As I was typing & pressing "Post" I kept thinking..."Cal, this whole thing is off topic. Responding is probably not a good idea." Whether it was the voice of wisdom or the voice of othe Holy Spirit, I don'tknow, but please accept my apologies for moving us further away from the purpose of fhese posts. I'm done with this thread.
Blessings on all who claim the name of the Lord.
That would be interesting but I don't know what purpose it would serve. I'm sure Logos has some idea of the demographics but I doubt that is what is driving the publication decisions or priorities. I did not mean to draw a line in the sand with my post.
I truly am grateful for the writings of Calvin, Spurgeon, and MacArthur.
I am also grateful for the historical works of Philip Schaff,
the evangelistic training materials by Ray Comfort & Larry Moyer,
the clear logic of Aquinas,
the dialogue between Luther and Erasmus,
the practical holy lifestyles of the Methodists & Nazarenes,
the rich insights of the Messianic Jews....
Logos is serving many Christians very well.
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What is your purpose in asking this question? This topic has promited heated discussions in the past on the newsgroups, and starting the debate again can serve no good purpose. I note that you made a rather strong statement 46 minutes after posting this. If you were only seek to promote a flame war, you have misused this forum. On another thread, I defended off-topic discussions, but trolling for flame wars is pushing the limit a bit far.
Personally, I enjoy, and profit from, writers of all theological persuasions.
Jack
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I completely agree with your post. There is NO purpose for this type of question at all.
Jack,
I appreciate your comments. This was not asked to flame a war. I know here I stand and do not need to "flame a war". It seems to me that Logos is geared more with reformed works than with works, say of those of Charles Finney. Who, I may add, has been on pre-pub now for a long time and no one seems to be interested. I wish they would go ahead and take it off....but anyway. Not making an accusation, but I have found that it is usually the semi-pelagian who is arguing about making a war and not wanting to discuss this issue. When, no matter, what side you take, is in the Scripture and must be discussed. Unfortunately, usually what people see is a mean spirited discussion based on emotion and not a spiritual discussion based on the revelation of Scripture. This is a discussion forum, that I understand to be with no limitations as the content. It started as an honest question to see what was the consesus of users, more reformed or more non-reformed. You are welcome to participate or not.
Pastor Michael Huffman, Th.A Th.B Th.M