BUG with Clause Search?

Thanks, MJ Smith.

Guess I don't know for sure if my clause search results reflect a "bug" or a "feature" [:)], but I changed the topic title per your suggestion.

Thanks again MJ. Smith, for looking at this.

I figured my search results had to refelect one of two things--a major bug or a misunderstanding of the feature on my part.  Either way, it's of no use to me at the moment.

I'll call Logos on Monday.  If they agree it's a bug, I'll wait for a fix provided they expect a resolution in the near future.  If it's a misunderstanding on my part, then I'll have to determine (with help from others) if that's due to grammatical issues/rules at a granular level that are beyond my current level of expertise, and whether or not I'm likely to be able to reach the level needed to make use of the feature.  If that's in serious doubt, I'll probably ask for a refund and drop down to the Core Datasets upgrade.  I really hope that's not the case though.  I was more excited about the Clause Search feature than anything else I saw in Logos 5.

Sean, thanks for taking a look at this.

In regard to your comments...

No, I didn't want all clauses that mention Moses in some way--just those that were dealing with passages reflecting something Moses had said.

I was not expecting any scripture with OT references (chapter/verse).  I knew it was NT only and was thus using the Lexham Greek-English Interlinear NT

Here are a couple of examples along the lines of what I anticipated.

1. The verb to speak, to say to give the same results as the verb to say, to speak.
2. The verb to say to be either a superset or a subset of the verb to say, to tell--not a totally different set with no overlap at all between them.
3. The results for the verb, to talk with, to converse with to be comparable results to those for the verbs to talk with, to discuss with; to speak, to converse, to talk; to talk together.
4. At a higher level, I expected the same (or at least very similar) results across the first six verbs listed in my original post, and the same (or very similar) results across the last four verbs in that post.

Basically, I wanted to see every occurence of Moses being quoted in the NT.  One of the advertised benefits of the clause search (as I understood it), is that you don't need to know Greek/Hebrew--you can use English verbs--so I expected my English search verbs to give all the scripture references that would reflect those English verbs in the English translation(s) I specified for display in the search results, regardless of the nuances of the underlying Greek/Hebrew.  I certainly didn't expect the English verb to speak, to say to give different results than the English verb to say, to speak.  It seems I may have misunderstood this feature and am in fact faced with needing to know/understand the underllying Greek/Hebrew grammar at a fairly granular level in order to anticipate the search results that will be returned.  Unfortunately, I don't know either language at all.

[:(]

I can now say from my own test that the clause search does NOT necessarily perform as advertised on the features page for this search--at least on my install of L5.

Listed below are three excerpts from an earlier post I made today at 6:30 AM.

1. ...if the kind of results I got from the 10 searches in my original post are considered by Logos to be working as intended, I'm very disappointed and I don't think it's working as advertised by the features page for this feature.
2. For example, on the features page for the clause search it says, FIND SPECIFIC ACTIONS: Type in “subject:Jesus verb:heal” to find every time that Jesus heals someone. I don't know about other folks, but what this tells me is that using this clause search will return all the scripture passages where Jesus heals someone, whether or not a Greek word for "heal" is specifically used in the passages.
3. ...based on the way this feature is now being presented as working, I'm wondering how the Logos 5 example of this feature as noted above (finding every occurence/passage where someone is healed by Jesus) can be achieved if the only verb used in the clause search is heal. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I'd be surprised if the word "heal" is actually used in every instance where Jesus heals someone. I would check it out, but I don't have either a Bible or Logos available at the moment.

I'm back home now and have been able to try the search regarding "Jesus healings" as given in that example on the features page for the clause search.  It does NOT find every time that Jesus heals someone.  As just one example of a missing healing, consider the healing of the blind man starting in John 9:1.

I also see a discrepancy/problem with another example of the clause search on the features page, where it says: "Logos 5 finds everything" and then gives an example of finding verses for Jesus AND Bethlehem.  But I'll save that for later discussion.

In general, I thought the search clause was going to make it much easier to find things, but it feels like it's going in the opposite direction.  [:S]

I would very much like to hear from a Logos employee whether or not from the company's perspective this feature is working correctly (as advertised on the feature page) or if they agree that at least in the case of verbs, there are problems.

If Logos agrees there are problems and plans to address them in the near future, I'll probably stay with the minimum crossgrade provided a refund will be available down the road if things aren't resolved in what I consider a reasonable time frame.  If they don't feel there are problems, I may go back to L4--or at the very least ask for a partial refund and just go with the core datasets.

I do hope they acknowledge problems and plan to fix them.  The clause search was my primary motivation for upgrading.  If it turns out not to work as advertised, yet per Logos, is working as intended, I'll be disappointed, but I'll get over it and I'll continue using Logos, whether it's L4, or L5 with just the core datasets.