A new critical Bible that You can use in Logos
http://www.updated.org/download.shtml
Note: it is also cheap to buy as printed matter, I have done that more than a year ago and I am updating it (version 2.15) to version 2.16 with a pen and Tip-Ex.
Additionaly, an update has been announced at: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/58592/421420.aspx#421420
There is a thread for discussing the version: Release of an update to UPDV ©Greg Abrams February 2012
I think this Bible is good. It has given me many valuable insights for a cheap price, and I very often consider its renderings.
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Unix said:
I think this Bible is good. It has given me many valuable insights for a cheap price, and I very often consider its renderings.
Hm. this guy goes the way of Marcion: He takes out Luke 1-2 and the book of Acts for some spurious arguments, "recreates" Matthew and so on. I'.ve no issue with him reordering biblical books and taking some deuterocanonicals in etc. But even if he's Luther Releoaded, he shouldn't tamper with the bible as such - in my opinion.
Not convinced yet,
Mick
Have joy in the Lord!
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What a GREAT New Testament!!
First off, it keeps the original pronouns (VERY important since most of the warnings etc in both the OT and NT are about the MEN.)
Second, Acts is GONE. Yes, I'd been suspicious from day 1 about Acts. Jesus' ascension, Pentecost, and Saul aka Paul deciding he'd made a REALLY big error in his excegesis. Might I ALSO note the arresting of men AND WOMEN is gone as well. Good.
I'm waiting for the software version, where you can pick and choose which sections really make a lot of sense and which need to be sent overboard to Leviathan.
(I'm so happy with the L5 crossgrade; I've lost my mind!)
Unix ... are sure you meant http://www.updated.org/download.shtml ? Not the update to NA27 > NA28?
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I compiled it into logos as a personal book but i personally do not see much value in it for me, the sermon on the mount in mathew is reduced to:
5 And he came down with them, and stood on a level place with a great multitude of his disciples and the people who came to hear him and to be healed of their diseases. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said,
6 Blessed [are] you+ poor: for yours+ is the kingdom of God.
7 Blessed [are] you+ who hunger now: for you+ will be filled.
8 Blessed [are] you+ who weep now: for you+ will laugh.
9 Blessed are you+, when men will hate you+, and when they will separate you+ [from their company], and reproach you+, and cast out your+ name as evil, for the Son of Man's sake.
10 Rejoice in that day, and leap [for joy]: for look, your+ reward is great in heaven; for in the same manner their fathers did to the prophets.
11 But woe to you+ who are rich! For you+ have received your+ consolation.
12 Woe to you+, you+ who are full now! For you+ will hunger.
13 Woe [to you+], you+ who laugh now! For you+ will mourn and weep.
14 Woe [to you+], when all men will speak well of you+! For in the same manner their fathers did to the false prophets.
15 But I say to you+ who hear,
16 Love your+ enemies, do good to those who hate you+,
17 bless those who curse you+, pray for those who despitefully use you+.
18 To him who strikes you on the [one] cheek offer also the other;
19 and from him who takes away your cloak don't withhold your coat also.
20 Give to everyone who asks you; and of him who takes away your goods don't ask [for them] back.
21 And as you+ would that men should do to you+, do+ to them likewise.
22 And if you+ love those who love you+, what thanks do you+ have? For even sinners love those who love them.
23 For even if you+ do good to those who do good to you+, what thanks do you+ have? Even sinners do the same.
24 And if you+ lend to them of whom you+ hope to receive, what thanks is it to you+? Even sinners lend to sinners, to receive again as much.
25 But love your+ enemies, and do [them] good, and lend, never despairing; and your+ reward will be great, and you+ will be sons of the Most High: for he is kind toward the unthankful and evil.
26 Be+ merciful, even as your+ Father is merciful.
27 And do not judge, and you+ will not be judged: and do not condemn, and you+ will not be condemned: release, and you+ will be released:
28 give, and it will be given to you+; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, they will give into your+ bosom. For with what measure you+ mete it will be measured to you+ again.
I realize some may claim that is all there is that is genuine in the Sermon on the mount but personally i tend to be more conservative in my handling of scriptures. There may be some things misread/misinterpreted from the greek, but i affirm that the received text needs minor corrections not major slices removed from it. Personally if there was an option to buy this I would't pay for it. I thank you for your work in either pointing it out to us or formatting it for personal books for us (not 100% sure if you did it or not), but it simply isn;t going to be of much use to me.-dan
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NB.Mick said:Unix said:
I think this Bible is good. It has given me many valuable insights for a cheap price, and I very often consider its renderings.
Hm. this guy goes the way of Marcion: He takes out Luke 1-2 and the book of Acts for some spurious arguments, "recreates" Matthew and so on. I'.ve no issue with him reordering biblical books and taking some deuterocanonicals in etc. But even if he's Luther Releoaded, he shouldn't tamper with the bible as such - in my opinion.
Not convinced yet,
Mick
I deleted the book as soon as I started to look at it.
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tom said:
I deleted the book as soon as I started to look at it.
As did I, Tom! *smile* Peace and Every Blessing!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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I'm glad. I meant to ask.
The author, Greg Abrams, who posted in the NA28 -thread is working on an update to UPDV to take in account the NA28.DMB said:(I'm so happy with the L5 crossgrade; I've lost my mind!)
Lk 1-2 is still there in version 2.15 - so I have it as printed matter. Here is a book that gives arguments for and against the inclusion of Lk 1-2: , it used to cost $190, The Original Language of the Lukan Infancy Narrative, by Chang-Wook Jung, T&T Clark, 2004 (I haven't looked at what it costs now).DMB said:Unix ... are sure you meant http://www.updated.org/download.shtml ? Not the update to NA27 > NA28?
Well, if I say critical in the thread title I mean that.NB.Mick said:He takes out Luke 1-2
NB.Mick said:He takes out Luke 1-2 and the book of Acts for some spurious arguments, "recreates" Matthew and so on. [...] he shouldn't tamper with the bible as such - in my opinion.
Not convinced yet,
Mick
tom said:I deleted the book as soon as I started to look at it.
Milford Charles Murray said:
As did I, Tom! *smile* Peace and Every Blessing!tom said:I deleted the book as soon as I started to look at it.
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Unix ... you were pleasantly very nice in responding to our comments. My complements. I should learn from you, and my apologies.
I am well aware of Act's issues ... one of my favorites is written by Lake early in the 1900s (I forgot the date). He goes into excruciating detail trying to figure Acts vs Galatians. If I remember correctly he also views portions of Luke as 'late'.
But that said, the whole NT has similar issues (as does the OT). I guess I'm a little more patient with the whole thing.
Again, thank you for your reasoned approach.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Thanks!
Back to the T: I took a look around and version 2.15 is sold-out everywhere in online bookstores.
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FYI... we have different understandings of the word critical. I consider NASB, NRSV, and NIV2011 have used critical understanding of the Greek/Hebrew text. For me, this version is another form of the thomas jefferson's bible.Unix said:Well, if I say critical in the thread title I mean that.
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Well, if You would read some of the footnotes in it You would see what I mean. I have the 1995 NASU and the 1989 NRSV in Logos, but not NIV2011, and I don't have them as printed matter at all. I don't regard the NIV as worth to have. I have the 1973 NIV NT in a printed parallel eight-translation NT and that's quite enough + if I upgrade I'll have the NIV Reversed Interlinear (2011 I suppose) which I would rather not have, I don't want to support that publisher. Among many other Bibles.
tom said:FYI... we have different understandings of the word critical. I consider NASB, NRSV, and NIV2011 have used critical understanding of the Greek/Hebrew text. For me, this version is another form of the thomas jefferson's bible.
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Had a look and IMO the greatest value of this title is as a discussion starter.
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What does that mean? It's not in my dictionary. I've read most of the footnotes, I don't know what You've read.
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...eisegetical...
Unix said:What does that mean? It's not in my dictionary
[:O] You never heard of Eisegesis? It even has its own wikipedia entry!
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I've heard it. I don't have internet, so I don't use Wikipedia, but I'll have a look!
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... so? Bump the discussion at: OT exegetical versions compared to 1995 Contemporary English Versiontom said:I did read the author's note, and the one word that came to my mind was eisegetical.
Unix said:if You would read some of the footnotes in it You would see what I mean.
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Unix said:
What does that mean? It's not in my dictionary. I've read most of the footnotes, I don't know what You've read.
I am sorry Unix, I forgot that you are not a native English person (If I remember correctly). In a nut shell, it means that we are reading our our theology into scripture. NOTE: everyone does this, and what this author did was an extreame example of it.
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Unix said:
What does that mean? It's not in my dictionary. I've read most of the footnotes, I don't know what You've read.
eisegetical(eisegesis) personal interpretation of a text (especially of the Bible) using your own ideas
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