Need Help Sorting out Good Arminian & Calvinist Resources

I'd like to build a reference library that has some balance between good Arminian and good Calvinist resources but am struggling to determine the best way to identify and then select the resources. By "good", I mean resources that would be considered main-stream and well respected by the majority of constituents in each camp. I'd like to start simply by creating some publisher, author, and resource lists.
I'm not in ministry--I'm a lay person without any knowledge of Greek or Hebrew. I started my software library with a very small Libronix package, then upgraded to the L4 Bible Study Library package and have since added a few resources and just did the L5 miminum cross-grade. I would appreciate any help I can get in developing the lists indicated below.
On a side-note, I would also very much like to develop some knowledge of the Greek language, but don't know if there are any good educational resources in that regard. I don't expect to become proficient in Greek via just educational resources, but I don't think I'll have the opportunity to study in a class setting, so educational resources are probably the only option I have.
Arminian & Calvinist Publisher List
I'm thinking various publishers tend to lean one way or the other and would therefore have resources supporting one view or the other. I'm fine with that, but just want to determine in advance which way they lean to help in building a balanced library.
I'm also very interested in resources that do an excellent job of accurately and fully presenting the views of both sides, allowing the reader to come to his/her own conclusions, but I expect these are hard to come by.
Arminian & Calvinist Author's List
I know where a few key authors stand on the subject, but would like to expand this list.
Arminian and Calvinist Resource List
I would like to start with good commentary sets, but am certainly open to small collections and individual titles as well.
Greek Educational Resource List
Comments
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I would suggest for Calvinist resources to check out monergism.com and review the authors they sell then check out what resources are available through Logos.
Just as a short list check out B.B. Warfield, Archibald Alexander, R.C. Sproul, John Calvin, Charles Spurgeon, John Bunyan, Michael Horton, A.W. Pink, and generally most of the Puritan works. That is a very short list and off the top of my head.
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Some of the main Calvinist publishers include Sovereign Grace Christian Books, Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing, Banner of Truth, Reformation Trust, and Reformation Heritage. Just google them they will come right up and Logos has published many of the books they sell.
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William Burt Pope and John Miley are a good start. If you run a Logos resource search for Methodist, Arminian or Wesleyan you will find some great resources that fit the Arminian tradition. Some are currently under development. I will attempt to expand this later tonight if you want me to.
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David Kirk Davis said:
Just as a short list check out B.B. Warfield, Archibald Alexander, R.C. Sproul, John Calvin, Charles Spurgeon, John Bunyan, Michael Horton, A.W. Pink, and generally most of the Puritan works. That is a very short list and off the top of my head.
Logos offer a Calvin collection,
http://www.logos.com/product/5170/calvin-500-collection
There are various smaller configurations available at a lower cost (e.g. Calvin's Commentaries, the Institutes, etc.).
Similarly, Logos offer the Works of Arminius,
http://www.logos.com/product/8820/the-works-of-arminius
You may also wish to consider the following two works, presenting and critiquing Calvinism,
http://www.logos.com/product/26686/for-calvinism-and-against-calvinism
Logos also offer works by Michael Horton, Wayne Grudem, Mark Driscoll, John Piper and John MacArthur, all of whom are regarded to be at the forefront of what is sometimes described as 'New Calvinism'. Vyrso also offer works by some of these authors, oftentimes at a reduced price. I just noticed today that Vyrso are currently offering a book by John Piper for $3.99, here,
http://vyrso.com/product/14550/spectacular-sins-and-their-global-purpose-in-the-glory-of-christ
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If you want a good introduction this two volume work is excellent by two of the most gifted theologians alive today.
http://www.logos.com/product/26686/for-calvinism-and-against-calvinism
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You beat me Andy with the Horton-Olson set
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David Kirk Davis said:
You beat me Andy with the Horton-Olson set
I noticed that as well [:D]
Good suggestion though!
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College Press would be considered Arminian for publishers and Jack Cottrell would be an Arminian author as well as Roger Olson
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Thanks so much to everyone for the suggestions, help, and information! If there's anything anyone would like to add or expand on, your contributions are welcome and will be very much appreciated.
I have read some of the individual resources mentioned and have started developing an author's list, but it leaves a lot to be desired. There are just so many authors and theologians since Calvin and Arminius it takes time to determine which ones fall into which camp.
Any recommendations on commentary sets would be very much appreciated. My preference would be more recent publications that use the NIV or ESV, but of course I realize there are older (as well as much older) works that are well respected and that probably follow the KJV.
My main concern with resources at this point is that whichever camp they are in, that they would be considered main-stream by most authors and theologians within the two camps.
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Hi! For Arminianism I am a huge fan of this dude named Robert E. Picirilli. He has some wonderful resources, my favorite being Grace, Faith, Free Will: Contrasting Views of Salvation.
Here is the link: http://www.logos.com/product/20493/grace-faith-free-will-contrasting-views-of-salvation
Blows Calvinism right out of the water, in my opinion. No offense intended to my Calvinist brethren!
Picirilli also has written a number of commentaries. Great stuff.
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Kendall Sholtess said:
Hi! For Arminianism I am a huge fan of this dude named Robert E. Picirilli. He has some wonderful resources, my favorite being Grace, Faith, Free Will: Contrasting Views of Salvation.
Here is the link: http://www.logos.com/product/20493/grace-faith-free-will-contrasting-views-of-salvation
Blows Calvinism right out of the water, in my opinion. No offense intended to my Calvinist brethren!
Picirilli also has written a number of commentaries. Great stuff.
Picirilli is excellent. Leroy Forlines is another featured Arminian theologian. Anything from Randall House (Free Will Baptist) is Arminian.
http://www.logos.com/Products/search?Publisher=Randall%20House
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Arminian scholarship would begin with Arminius and John Wesley, of course.
But more modern Arminian scholarship would include John Oswalt, an Old Testament scholar whose commentary on Isaiah in the NICOT is perhaps the best on that book. Oswalt has published a number of excellent books and commentaries. Garett Lee Cockerill is another who just published the new commentary on Hebrews in the NICNT.
Thomas Oden is one of the foremost Arminian / Wesleyan theologians. Tom Oden's "Systematic Theology" (3 Volumes) is a great place to start.
Dr. Ben Witherington of Asbury Theological Seminary is another Arminiam New Testament scholar who is widely published. His Socio-Rhetorical commentary on Acts is highly regarded.
I would also recommend Maxie Dunnam and Dr. Bill Arnold. There are so many more, but these are off the top of my head. Older but still well worthwhile is A. W. Tozer.
There are as many differences among different Arminian groups as among various Calvinist groups. I would keep that in mind.
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I want to thank everyone again--your suggestions are very helpful.
Last year I was working on a hand-written author list, but it disappeared one day after the grandkids had spent the weekend, and unfortunately, I had not memorized the list. I think the paper may have been discovered by one of our four "age five and under" grandchildren, and the back-side used for what I'm sure was a beautiful drawing. [:)]
In the process of identifying authors I have obtained and used a few resources as indicated below.
Arminian
- Roger E. Olson--Arminian Theology, Myths and Realities
- Roger E. Olson--Against Calvinism
- Robert E. Picirilli--Grace Faith Free Will
- F. Leroy Forlines--Classical Arminianism
- Dr. Norman Geisler--Systematic Theology (currently in vol. 3 of 4 vols.)
- Jack Cottrell--Commentary on Romans (just getting started)
Calvinist
- Michael S. Horton--For Calvinism
- R.C. Sproul--Chosen by God
- Wayne Grudem--Systematic Theology
- In addition to the above Calvinist authors, I went through "The Theology Program" at Bible.org. Definitely Calvinistic in persuasion but presents both sides.
Resources that Attempt to be Neutral or Present Both Sides
- Roger E. Olson--The Mosaic of Christian Belief
- Gregory A. boyd & Paul R. Eddy--Across the Spectrum
Where Next?
Eventually, I plan to read some of the original writings of Arminius and Calvin. But in the meantime, I would really like to get two excellent commentary sets on the entire Bible--one based on Arminian theology and one based on Calvinistic theology. I would like them to be scholarly (but not too technical), and provide well reasoned versus emotional arguements when dealing with passages held by one camp or the other. And I would be extremely happy if they would seriously, sincerely, and respectfully address arguements from the other camp. Finally, my preference for these two initial commentary sets would be that they were written within the last 20-40 years, and preferably use the NIV or the ESV, although the KJV is acceptable.Am I wishing for the moon? [S]
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College Press has a complete commentary set based on the NIV that I would consider Armenian. It was published within the past 15 years. Jack Cottrell's commentary on Romans is part of this set.
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Thanks, Lonnie! That is one I've had my eye on and I'm familiar with a couple of the contributors, but I'm a stranger to most of them. And unfortunately, that's the case with most of the commentary sets I look at. That's what has made it hard for me to settle on just a couple of commentary sets.
I guess that for some people who've had formal training, are in full-time ministry, who have many scholarly commentary sets and a social network of informed colleagues to draw on, it might be a little hard to relate to a layman who does not have such a network and who cannot afford (financially or timewise) to build such a comprehensive library. For me, based on cost and time, I'll probably be able to have only two good commentary sets in my library, so hope to make decisions I don't regret.
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Michael Childs said:
Arminian scholarship would begin with Arminius and John Wesley, of course.
But more modern Arminian scholarship would include John Oswalt, an Old Testament scholar whose commentary on Isaiah in the NICOT is perhaps the best on that book. Oswalt has published a number of excellent books and commentaries. Garett Lee Cockerill is another who just published the new commentary on Hebrews in the NICNT.
Michael, Thanks for contributing. I have a couple of questions regarding the NIC commentary set.
- I'm not familiar with Oswalt or Cockerill, but understand from your comments that you see them as being in the Arminian Camp. But when I looked at the author for Romans for the NIC, I see Douglas J. Moo. I haven't read any of his works yet, but was under the impression he's in the Calvinist camp. Do you know if that's correct? If so, would I be correct in thinking the NIC is neutral on the Arminian/Calvinist question, with contributors from both persuasions? If I'm at all on target here, then I guess I would need to know which contributors are of which persuasion as an aid to helping me determine how balanced the set as a whole would be. That's been one of the big difficulties for me and is why I was hoping there were two publishers (one Arminian leaning and one Calvinist leaning) that are well respected and would each have a commentary set where every contributor was of the Arminian persuasion or every contributor was of the Calvinist persuasion. This would be the easiest way for me to determine which perspective I could expect on controversial passages when accessing the commentaries.
- I checked a few titles in the commentary set to see if they could be purchased individually, but didn't find them listed separately at Logos. Do you know if the commentary has to be purchased as one of the sets listed at Logos (i.e. entire OT, entire NT, or entire OT/NT together)?
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RAusdahl said:
But when I looked at the author for Romans for the NIC, I see Douglas J. Moo. I haven't read any of his works yet, but was under the impression he's in the Calvinist camp. Do you know if that's correct?
It would be correct to say the Moo is Reformed.
RAusdahl said:If so, would I be correct in thinking the NIC is neutral on the Arminian/Calvinist question, with contributors from both persuasions?
This would be accurate. My perception, on balance, is that the series perhaps tends towards the Reformed camp (particularly in respect of the NT). I am happy to be challenged on this by the more knowledgeable reader.
RAusdahl said:If I'm at all on target here, then I guess I would need to know which contributors are of which persuasion as an aid to helping me determine how balanced the set as a whole would be. That's been one of the big difficulties for me and is why I was hoping there were two publishers (one Arminian leaning and one Calvinist leaning) that are well respected and would each have a commentary set where every contributor was of the Arminian persuasion or every contributor was of the Calvinist persuasion. This would be the easiest way for me to determine which perspective I could expect on controversial passages when accessing the commentaries.
I am not able to respond on this in detail as I am not familiar with every author or every volume. What I would say, as an observation, is that most scholarly commentary series will incorporate commentators from both perspectives (and everything in between).
If you are interested in commentary sets differentiated by position, you may be best going for an author specific series. For example, the MacArthur collection includes a number of pastoral commentaries (intended, I guess, for a lay reader). This series would accurately represent the Reformed position. It is also worth keeping in mind that Logos do offer the Calvin commentary series which, obviously, is representative of Calvinism [:D].
The Socio-Rhetorical Commentary series is largely authored by Ben Witherington III. Given the focus of the commentary, I am not sure it would read as an Arminian commentary, as such. The set does, however, provide a consistency of approach (it is also roundly excellent). Someone else may well be able to recommend a commentary set which more accurately represents the Arminian position. [Edit: I note that Lonnie, above, has recommended such a series.]
RAusdahl said:I checked a few titles in the commentary set to see if they could be purchased individually, but didn't find them listed separately at Logos. Do you know if the commentary has to be purchased as one of the sets listed at Logos (i.e. entire OT, entire NT, or entire OT/NT together)?
Logos do not currently offer the NICOT/NT individually. NICOT/NT can be purchased as a series or as a OT or NT set.
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Andy, thanks for jumping in. I don't know how many people will even be on the forum today, but in an unusual change of events this year, we're going somewhere for Thanksgiving dinner rather than people coming to our place, so it's kind of like an extra day off. [:)]
Just to clarify, I would be open to commentary sets that provide both Arminian and Calvinistic arguements/interpretations, but would like to see both points of view in all passages that are used by one camp or the other when it comes to this issue. That's not likely to happen if all the commentary for a particular book in the Bible is from just one persuasion or the other.
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RAusdahl said:
On a side-note, I would also very much like to develop some knowledge of the Greek language, but don't know if there are any good educational resources in that regard. I don't expect to become proficient in Greek via just educational resources, but I don't think I'll have the opportunity to study in a class setting, so educational resources are probably the only option I have.
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RAusdahl said:
Just to clarify, I would be open to commentary sets that provide both Arminian and Calvinistic arguements/interpretations, but would like to see both points of view in all passages that are used by one camp or the other when it comes to this issue. That's not likely to happen if all the commentary for a particular book in the Bible is from just one persuasion or the other.
Ah, apologies, and thank you for that clarification.
In which case, I would suggest that you perhaps consider a scholarly commentary set like NICOT/NT or even WBC (which, in my view, is patchier, but considerably cheaper). Scholarly commentaries are more likely to set forth alternative views enabling you to better consider the scope of interpretative options when seeking to understand a particular passage.
RAusdahl said:I don't know how many people will even be on the forum today, but in an unusual change of events this year, we're going somewhere for Thanksgiving dinner rather than people coming to our place, so it's kind of like an extra day off.
I had missed that it was thanksgiving [:$] (in my defence, I am British).
I am not sure if it is permitted for me to thus greet you, but happy thanksgiving, nonetheless [:D].
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Andy Evans said:
I had missed that it was thanksgiving
(in my defence, I am British).
I am not sure if it is permitted for me to thus greet you, but happy thanksgiving, nonetheless
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Your greeting is not only permitted, but warmly welcomed. Wish you could join us for all the food and fixins we're about to receive. [;)]And with that, I'll be signing off for the day. Hope you all have a day for which to be thankful.0 -
RAusdahl said:Michael Childs said:
Arminian scholarship would begin with Arminius and John Wesley, of course.
But more modern Arminian scholarship would include John Oswalt, an Old Testament scholar whose commentary on Isaiah in the NICOT is perhaps the best on that book. Oswalt has published a number of excellent books and commentaries. Garett Lee Cockerill is another who just published the new commentary on Hebrews in the NICNT.
Michael, Thanks for contributing. I have a couple of questions regarding the NIC commentary set.
- I'm not familiar with Oswalt or Cockerill, but understand from your comments that you see them as being in the Arminian Camp. But when I looked at the author for Romans for the NIC, I see Douglas J. Moo. I haven't read any of his works yet, but was under the impression he's in the Calvinist camp. Do you know if that's correct? If so, would I be correct in thinking the NIC is neutral on the Arminian/Calvinist question, with contributors from both persuasions? If I'm at all on target here, then I guess I would need to know which contributors are of which persuasion as an aid to helping me determine how balanced the set as a whole would be. That's been one of the big difficulties for me and is why I was hoping there were two publishers (one Arminian leaning and one Calvinist leaning) that are well respected and would each have a commentary set where every contributor was of the Arminian persuasion or every contributor was of the Calvinist persuasion. This would be the easiest way for me to determine which perspective I could expect on controversial passages when accessing the commentaries.
- I checked a few titles in the commentary set to see if they could be purchased individually, but didn't find them listed separately at Logos. Do you know if the commentary has to be purchased as one of the sets listed at Logos (i.e. entire OT, entire NT, or entire OT/NT together)?
. There is no doubt that John Oswalt and Cockerill are Arninian and Wesleyan to the core. Oswalt taught at Asbury Theological Seminary and Cockerill teaches at Wesley Biblical in Jackson. All the scholars I named are evangelical and conservative Biblically in addition to being Wesleyan - Arminian. I studied under Oswalt.
One of the points I was trying to make is that nearly all good commentary sets have both Arminian and Reformed scholars among their authors. Oswalt is an author in the Logos sponsored EEC commentaries,the NIV Application Commentary, and the Cornerstone Commentary to name a few. Bill Arnold is in the NIV Application Commentary and the Intervarsity Press Dictionaries, and others.
Good commentary sets are balanced theologically. They are written by scholars who deal as honestly as possible with the text, rather than try to push a particular theological agenda. This is true of the NICOT and NICNT, and most credible commentary sets. In addition to the commentary sets mentioned, Word Biblical Commentary and the IVP New Testament Commentaries have Arminian - Wesleyan writers. if a set is from one perspective - Reformed or Arminian - it will usually make that clear, like the Wesleyan Bible Commentary set. (No Calvinists there.) Otherwise, I would expect it to be balanced.
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Thanks, Michael. I've added Oswalt and Cockerill to my Arminian author list and Moo to my Calvinist list.
I took a look at the NIC and EEC sets. The prices on these higher-end commentary sets leave a bit of a sticker shock for the unprepared. I expect the difference in price is mirrored by a comparable difference in content (quantity & quality), but price-wise, the higher end sets are probably a stretch in terms of what I could justify as a layman to the Mrs., even as sweet and understanding as she is. I think what I'll have to try to figure out is which sets might be considered "Best in Class" for: 1) A balanced perspective, 2) An Arminian perspective, and 3) A Calvinist perspective, at a couple of price-points as indicated below (taking into account of course, some of the suggestions already made).
- $250 - $500
- $500 - $750
- $750 - $900
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RAusdahl said:
Eventually, I plan to read some of the original writings of Arminius and Calvin. ...
Finally, my preference for these two initial commentary sets would be that they were written within the last 20-40 years, and preferably use the NIV or the ESV, although the KJV is acceptable.
I see that you already have Norman Geisler in your "Arminian" list. That is interesting because he calls himself a Calvinist ... But nonetheless, Geislers works are very good. He is called Arminian by many Calvinists today, but in light of history you will find that his more moderate view is really what early Calvinists held. Chosen but free is recommended if you havent already read it. Geislers writings are all best in class in my opinion.
Looks like you have a couple of anti-calvinist titles there already ... if you want the best of those dont overlook Laurence Vance (the other side of calvinism).
As far as commentaries go, I have not found any more exhaustive than that of John Calvin himself. What I found suprising is that Calvin in his commentaries does not support everything that more extreme Calvinists might suggest today. For example, in Romans 9, Calvin says that God did not hate the individual Esau. More extreme authors such as James White in Potters freedom disagree.
If you want to understand Calvinism, also do not overlook church history. Phil Schaffs church history in my opinion is the best and easiest to read. And although being reformed himself, is quite willing to tell it like it is. Any study of Calvinism should include Schaff on this time period. The perspective you gain here will help shed light on the doctrinal debate.
Calvinism gets a bad name from some of its more extreme advocates. If you understand that early on it will help you find the middle ground easier. And the truth is in the middle ground. Calvinism vs Arminianism is as much a false dichotomy as a theological debate. Both views contain some degree of truth, but neither is "the whole truth and nothing but the truth".
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John, thanks so much for your thoughts and recommendations!
I found your comment about Geisler's position interesting, because I have to admit I found it difficult to place him. Based on some of the things he has said, I'd think he's in the Calvinist camp, but other things made me think he must be in the Arminian camp. In the end, I placed him in my Arminian list because to me it seemed his works leaned more that direction than the other. Regarding the other authors and works you mentioned, I'll definitely look into them.
I have considered purchasing a set of Calvin's commentaries as I do believe it's far too easy to be led astary regarding the position of either Arminius or Calvin if I haven't read their works myself. Right now I have two Bible software programs on my computer--Logos 5 and Wordsearch 10. I noticed that the Logos version of the Calvin Commentaries is $150 while the Wordsearch version is only $25. I realize the Logos version is probably much better feature-wise, but for someone on a light budget who would like to simply "read" some of the writings of Arminius and Calvin, the Wordsearch version might be a great place to start considering the price difference--provided of course it does in fact include all the volumes found in the Logos version.
In regard to your closing paragraph, I've greatly appreciated things I've read from both camps. And while I won't say where I stand in my own conviction at this point (I have no desire for this to be an Arminianism vs. Calvinism thread), I will say I've been challenged by both positions, I've learned from authors of both persuasions, and in the end, I don't feel either persuasion has adequately answered all the questions put to it by the other. Fortunately for us all, our salvation is not determined by where we come down on this issue.
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RAusdahl said:
I have considered purchasing a set of Calvin's commentaries as I do believe it's far too easy to be led astary regarding the position of either Arminius or Calvin if I haven't read their works myself. Right now I have two Bible software programs on my computer--Logos 5 and Wordsearch 10.
Calvin's Commentaries are in all L5 base packages of Bronze and higher.
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Hi, Edwin!
Thanks for mentioning Calvin's Commentaries in the Bronze packages and above. Unfortunately for me, the Bronze package upgrade page says it will cost me over $360. Now if it included both Calvin's Commentaries AND the Wesleyan Bible Study Commentary Series it would be party-time for me! [<:o)]
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RAusdahl said:
I noticed that the Logos version of the Calvin Commentaries is $150 while the Wordsearch version is only $25. I realize the Logos version is probably much better feature-wise ...
You can buy the entire 22 volume set in PRINT right now for $158.49 at Christianbook.com.
You need a little extra space on your bookshelf though. [:)] I have the print version myself. I see no reason to go electronic unless there is some real benefit in usability or price. Calvins commentary is arranged by book, chapter and verse so wiz-bang search features (if there are any) aren't needed.
Logos pricing is not competetive on much of anything unless you are buying a library package. For some reason Logos, like most publishers, believe that the savings that comes from electronic reproduction belongs in their pockets, rather than yours.
The Wordsearch version is probably about where it should be for a retail price. That appears to be a good option too if you dont want to expand your bookshelf.
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John said:RAusdahl said:
I noticed that the Logos version of the Calvin Commentaries is $150 while the Wordsearch version is only $25. I realize the Logos version is probably much better feature-wise ...
The Wordsearch version is probably about where it should be for a retail price. That appears to be a good option too if you dont want to expand your bookshelf.
Yes, I'm checking out the Wordsearch version right now. I can understand a difference in pricing IF the Logos version provides much in terms of options/features not found in the Wordsearch version--in other words, if Logos has spent a lot more time putting in links, tags, indexes, etc., that adds value to the resource, I have no quarrel with them charging more for it. I also see that Logos is using the The Calvin Translation Society edition whereas Wordsearch appears to be using an open source version provided by the The Christian Classic Ethereal Library. I expect that might account for the price difference as well. I don't know if the Calvin Translation Society edition is different/better than the open source version, but for the most part, I just want to be able to see what Calvin has to say in reference to whatever passage I'm studying, so I "think" the Wordsearch/open source version should work for that. If anyone can shed any light as to whether there are differences in these two editions/versions and of what sort, I'd love to know.
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RAusdahl said:
If anyone can shed any light as to whether there are differences in these two editions/versions and of what sort, I'd love to know.
Not the final word by any means, but I just downloaded the PDF for the book of John from CCEL.
In the preface the translator is named as WILLIAM PRINGLE.
The Logos page says this:
Author: John Calvin
Translator: William Pringle
Publisher: Calvin Translation Society
Publication Date: 1847
Pages: 346Since it was published in 1847 and it was the same translator, I doubt there is any difference in the translation.
I just found it in Libronix format as a free download here:
http://www.stilltruth.com/blog/joekreif/john-calvin-commentary-pbb-formatTry that out and see if it works [:)]
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I just found it in Libronix format as a free download here:
http://www.stilltruth.com/blog/joekreif/john-calvin-commentary-pbb-formatTry that out and see if it works
That looks interesting, John. It definitely would be nice if I could stay in Logos to view the commentaries--and the price certainly looks right! [:)]
I'll check it out and post back. Thanks for the link.
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RAusdahl said:
I just found it in Libronix format as a free download here:
http://www.stilltruth.com/blog/joekreif/john-calvin-commentary-pbb-formatL3 PBB formatted documents - which I assume is what this is - cannot be imported into either L4 or L5
Sorry - not sure what version of the software you are using
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John said:
I just found it in Libronix format as a free download here:
http://www.stilltruth.com/blog/joekreif/john-calvin-commentary-pbb-formatTry that out and see if it works
It probably does if you've got L3, but it's not going to work in L4 or 5.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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RAusdahl said:
Hi, Edwin!
Thanks for mentioning Calvin's Commentaries in the Bronze packages and above. Unfortunately for me, the Bronze package upgrade page says it will cost me over $360. Now if it included both Calvin's Commentaries AND the Wesleyan Bible Study Commentary Series it would be party-time for me!
The Bronze pkg does include a number of commentaries as well as additional systematic theologies with both Calvinist and Arminian viewpoints.
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Graham Criddle said:RAusdahl said:
I just found it in Libronix format as a free download here:
http://www.stilltruth.com/blog/joekreif/john-calvin-commentary-pbb-formatL3 PBB formatted documents - which I assume is what this is - cannot be imported into either L4 or L5
Sorry - not sure what version of the software you are using
It appears that you are correct. The format seems to have been broken in the move to L4. The website also has discussions of recreating the documents for newer versions. I dont know personally, I'm still trying to get Libronix 3 to run under Windows 7.
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Graham Criddle said:RAusdahl said:
I just found it in Libronix format as a free download here:
http://www.stilltruth.com/blog/joekreif/john-calvin-commentary-pbb-formatL3 PBB formatted documents - which I assume is what this is - cannot be imported into either L4 or L5
Sorry - not sure what version of the software you are using
Hi, Graham!
I'm using L5, and in checking out the link at TCBlack's web site, I came quickly to the conclusion that it wouldn't work for L5. For one thing, when downloaded, these Calvin Commentaries are in the lbxoeb format vs. the docx format required by L5. In all fairness however, when John provided the link, he did note that it was in the Libronix format. I made an assumption (and we all know how that often goes), that he was using L4 or L5 and was able to make it work. I'm guessing now he was accessing it from L3 (note that I said "guessing", not "assuming"). [;)]
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RAusdahl said:
I'm also very interested in resources that do an excellent job of accurately and fully presenting the views of both sides, allowing the reader to come to his/her own conclusions, but I expect these are hard to come by.
Your expectation will be met.
It is very difficult to find single resources that accurately present the view of both sides, primarily because most Arminians view any form of Calvinism as hyper-Calvinism, and most Calvinists view any form of Arminianism as Pelagianism.
I am not one who has read extensively across these two theological spectrums, but I've read enough to know a few basics that will help. Here's what I know that I know-
1. R.C. Sproul (reformed) will treat the Arminian perspective fairly. (He also treats the Roman Catholic perspective as fairly as any protestant I've ever read, FWIW.)
2. Roger Olsen has the best handle on his own theology of any modern Arminian theologian out there. He also tends to treat the Calvinist perspective in a fair manner.
3. There is a wide disparity of sub-beliefs in both Calvinist and Arminian theological camps. You can't simply speak of 'Calvinism' or 'Arminianism' and be right, most of the time. Look at the differences in reformed theology between (say) R. Scott Clarke and Albert Mohler, or Michael Horton and Wayne Grudem, for example. Or the differences between Arminian theology between (say) Norm Geisler and Paige Patterson.
4. Almost all the proponents of a middle ground (i.e. mohlinism) will fall one way or the other when pressed, especially when pressed with logic in their arguments.
5. Most people with a reformed perspective don't like the term 'Calvinist'. Most people with an Arminian perspective don't like to be called 'Arminians'. Perhaps this is because both terms have been used in pejorative ways so often in the past. I don't know why, but empirically, I know it is true.
6. The best place to see the conflict between the two schools, at its worst, is in the Southern Baptist Convention.
7. The best place to find compatible resources is to search the websites of para-church ministries associated with some of the bigger names in each camp.
8. Some publishers are dedicated to one school of thought: most of these have been listed here by others. Many of the bigger publishers will publish works that fit within either school.
9. There is (almost) nothing new under the sun; most of the areas of debate have been well covered in the past; much of it 300 years ago or more. Don't neglect these older works. We aren't as smart or clever today as we give ourselves credit.
10. Logos has published a large volume of material in both camps, and Logos is NOT biased toward either side. There are some who claim they are; you can find the threads elsewhere in the forums. But for anyone with a slightly-open mind, it is easily seen that Logos publishes in both camps.
HTH.
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Good summary, Doc.
On the Arminian side, many are Wesleyan and use that title, rather than Arminian.
The Picirilli and Forlines titles listed earlier are from what is called Classical or Reformed Arminian viewpoint.
About 40 yrs ago, a minister (who I only met once) from a very different denomination, made this observation. We all have the same dough, but we use different cookie cutters.
I don't think any of us fully comprehend theology. It is far beyond our complete understanding. We each attempt to fit what we can understand into a structure that makes sense to us, even though there are always holes remaining in our understanding.
We have far more in common than the differences we have.
In heaven, we won't have to worry about which view is correct.
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Doc and Edwin,
I very much appreciate these last two posts. As I noted early on, I'm just a layperson who a few years back decided I wanted a better understanding of how we came about having the canon in our Bibles. I also had a desire to develop a better systematic theological understanding of scripture and doctrine and started doing a little research on the web. Early on, I stumbled across a web site called Bible.org and discovered a free online Theology program available there. I very much appreciated the approach they took in that class series.
One of the tenets they held in the program had to do with the purpose/reason for doing theology, and it spoke to my heart immediately--i.e. faith seeking understanding. That described me perfectly--that was the only reason I wanted to develop a solid theology.
I can't help but chuckle now when I think back on it, but when I started my quest a few years ago, I didn't even realize there were two camps regarding salvation. At first I was baffled at how two such opposing views could even exist within the Christian community. The closest I had ever come to hearing about this debate, was in regard to the question of eternal security--but even then, I had no clue that issue was only one of many debates within the much larger arena of Arminianism vs. Calvinism.
And my goal hasn't changed-- it's still faith seeking understanding. I have absolutely no desire to argue. No desire to convince anyone in regard to my position. If I question or challenge a view in either camp, it's because I want to understand both views as well as I can, and the best way I can do that is to give people a chance to tell me why they believe what they do.
But while I feel it's important personally for me to do my best to be a good steward of the Word and to understand it correctly, I realize that in the end, there may be some things that I still get wrong. So I'll do my best, knowing that others are doing the same--all the while believing (and thankful) that our salvation is not based on getting every doctrine right. [:)]
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RAusdahl said:
But while I feel it's important personally for me to do my best to be a good steward of the Word and to understand it correctly, I realize that in the end, there may be some things that I still get wrong. So I'll do my best, knowing that others are doing the same--all the while believing (and thankful) that our salvation is not based on getting every doctrine right.
It sounds like you are on the right track.
I have been on both sides of the divide. It's important to avoid the extreme on either side. Most "moderates" can find that they have much more in common.
I have come to the conclusion that God has made extremely clear the most important things for us to know. He does not delight in playing hide and seek. Many of the issues that divide us or unimportant in the whole scheme of things.
I still enjoy the challenge of diligent Bible study to make sure that I am rightly dividing the Word as best I can. I realize that if I live out the things that I do find clear in Scripture, I am less worried about the things I don't understand.
Personally, I do not worry about a person's views on Calvinism/Arminianism. I can find great value if they are commited to faithfully exegeting the Word.
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Edwin Bowden said:
Personally, I do not worry about a person's views on Calvinism/Arminianism. I can find great value if they are commited to faithfully exegeting the Word.
This is one of the hardest lessons to learn. I've heard this stated a number of ways, but the best I've heard was probably by R. C. Sproul. He says, to the effect, that while the differences between Arminianism and Calvinism are important, and worth discussing and debating, in the end, this is an INTRAMURAL discussion between fellow believers, and we must continually strive to keep that fact in the forefront.
If you listen to some of the recent audio debates between Michael Horton (reformed) and Roger Olsen (Arminian), you'll hear them say the same things, in a bit different way.
I agree with Dr. Sproul. Like Edwin stated earlier, I've been on both sides of this issue as well. I wasn't any less saved on one side than I am on the other.
FWIW, I have quite a few resources that I've marked in my library as reformed or not reformed...if you have questions about individual resources, and I have them, I'll be glad to answer. Just ask. I think others here are just as willing to help.
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Edwin Bowden said:
FWIW, I have quite a few resources that I've marked in my library as reformed or not reformed...if you have questions about individual resources, and I have them, I'll be glad to answer. Just ask. I think others here are just as willing to help.
Thanks, Edwin! At this juncture in my library development, I think I'm going to focus on adding commentaries. Either...
- One hopefully well respected commentary set that is well represented by authors and views from both camps, OR...
- Two hopefully well respected commentary sets--one from each camp.
If I go with the first option, I expect there will be important books/passages on this issue with commentary from authors who represents just one camp. In that event, my next step would be to supplement the commentary on those books/passages with individual commentary volumes represented by respected authors from the opposite camp.
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FWIW, I thought I'd post a consolidation of the authors and publishers gleaned so far during this discussion. Please feel free to either add to the lists or to make corrections if I put an author or publisher in the wrong camp.
Arminian Authors
- Dr. Bill Arnold
- Garett Lee Cockerill
- Jack Cottrell
- Maxie Dunnam
- Leroy Forlines
- Norman Geisler
- John Miley
- Thomas Oden
- Roger Olson
- John Oswalt
- Paige Patterson
- Robert E. Picirilli
- William Burt Pope
- A. W. Tozer
- John Wesley
- Dr. Ben Witherington
Arminian Publishers
- College Press
- Randall House
Calvinist Authors
Archibald AlexanderJohn BunyanR. Scott ClarkeMark DriscollWayne GrudemMichael HortonJohn MacArthurAlbert MohlerDouglas J. MooA.W. PinkJohn PiperPhil SchaffsR.C. SproulCharles SpurgeonB.B. Warfield
Banner of Truth
Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing
Reformation Heritage
Reformation Trust
Sovereign Grace Christian Books
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RAusdahl said:
Arminian and Calvinist Resource List
I would like to start with good commentary sets, but am certainly open to small collections and individual titles as well.Next to Calvin, for an exhaustive Calvinist commentary set, would be John Gill.
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RAusdahl said:
Calvinist Publishers
Banner of Truth
Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing
Reformation Heritage
Reformation Trust
Sovereign Grace Christian Books
Although they don't publish exclusively there, a lot of Baker's stuff is reformed in nature. At least, they include a good number of reformed authors in their commentary sets. Crossway is also a good reformed publishing house, but again, I don't think they are exclusively reformed like P&R or BoT. CrossBooks and Naphtali Press are Calvinist. Christian Focus tends to lean Calvinist.
Most of Broadman and Holman stuff is non-reformed. Anything by Cokesbury or Abingdon Press is Arminian. Gospel Publishing House, Randall House, and (obviously) Wesleyan Press are all Arminian in focus. Nazarene Publishing House is exclusively Arminian.
HTH.
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Evan and Doc,
Thanks for the additional info. I'll get it added to the "list format" I put out. Identifying individual authors is a sizeable job--doable but sizeable. I think being able to sort out publishers is a great help in that regard as it may at least give a clue as to which view an author or publication is likely to be coming from.
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For resources already in your Library, it might be worth checking out the new community tags.
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This is an updated list of authors and publishers.
Please note I am not personally familiar with every author and publisher. Many of these entries are based on input from other forum members or from things I've read. If you feel there are errors in the list, feel free to comment.
Arminian Authors
- Dr. Bill Arnold
- Garett Lee Cockerill
- Jack Cottrell
- Maxie Dunnam
- Leroy Forlines
- Norman Geisler
- John Miley
- Thomas Oden
- Roger Olson
- John Oswalt
- Paige Patterson
- Robert E. Picirilli
- William Burt Pope
- A. W. Tozer
- Richard Watson
- John Wesley
- Henry Orton Wiley
- Dr. Ben Witherington
Arminian Publishers
- Abingdon Press
- College Press
- Gospel Publishing House
- Nazarene Publishing House
- Randall House
- Wesleyan Press
Arminian Leaning Publishers- Broadman & Holman
Calvinist Authors
- Archibald Alexander
- James Montgomery Boice
- John Bunyan
- Sung Wook Chung
- R. Scott Clarke
- Mark Driscoll
- Jonathan Edwards
- John Gill
- Wayne Grudem
- Charles Hodge
- Michael Horton
- Gary Johnson
- Alan Mabin (Maybin?)
- John MacArthur
- Albert Mohler
- Douglas J. Moo
- Richard A. Muller
- A.W. Pink
- John Piper
- Rick Ritchie
- Kim Riddlebarger
- Phil Schaffs
- R.C. Sproul
- Charles Spurgeon
- B.B. Warfield
Calvinist Publishers
- Banner of Truth
- Crossbooks
- Naphtali Press
- Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing
- Reformation Heritage
- Reformation Trust
- Sovereign Grace Christian Books
Calvinist Leaning Publishers
- Baker Publishing Group
- Christian Focus Publications
- Good News Publisher/Crossway Books
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fgh said:
For resources already in your Library, it might be worth checking out the new community tags.
Thanks for the tip, fgh. I added that field to my library display, sorted on it, then took a very quick peek. I saw a few resources tagged as Arminian or Calvinist, but only a few. I'll keep this tag in mind though and take a better look through my resources when time permits.
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I like having a list along these lines because it serves as an aid when trying to keep a soteriological balance in my library. I haven't updated the list for 2 1/2 years and would appreciate any feedback people are willing to offer. E.g.Rick Ausdahl said:This is an updated list of authors and publishers.
Please note I am not personally familiar with every author and publisher. Many of these entries are based on input from other forum members or from things I've read. If you feel there are errors in the list, feel free to comment.
Arminian Authors
- Dr. Bill Arnold
- Garett Lee Cockerill
- Jack Cottrell
- Maxie Dunnam
- Leroy Forlines
- Norman Geisler
- John Miley
- Thomas Oden
- Roger Olson
- John Oswalt
- Paige Patterson
- Robert E. Picirilli
- William Burt Pope
- A. W. Tozer
- Richard Watson
- John Wesley
- Henry Orton Wiley
- Dr. Ben Witherington
Arminian Publishers
- Abingdon Press
- College Press
- Gospel Publishing House
- Nazarene Publishing House
- Randall House
- Wesleyan Press
Arminian Leaning Publishers
- Broadman & Holman
Calvinist Authors
- Archibald Alexander
- James Montgomery Boice
- John Bunyan
- Sung Wook Chung
- R. Scott Clarke
- Mark Driscoll
- Jonathan Edwards
- John Gill
- Wayne Grudem
- Charles Hodge
- Michael Horton
- Gary Johnson
- Alan Mabin (Maybin?)
- John MacArthur
- Albert Mohler
- Douglas J. Moo
- Richard A. Muller
- A.W. Pink
- John Piper
- Rick Ritchie
- Kim Riddlebarger
- Phil Schaffs
- R.C. Sproul
- Charles Spurgeon
- B.B. Warfield
Calvinist Publishers
- Banner of Truth
- Crossbooks
- Naphtali Press
- Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing
- Reformation Heritage
- Reformation Trust
- Sovereign Grace Christian Books
Calvinist Leaning Publishers
- Baker Publishing Group
- Christian Focus Publications
- Good News Publisher/Crossway Books
- Do you think I have any authors or publishers in the wrong category?
- Are there any authors or publishers you would like added to a category?
- Are there any publishers that strike a good balance in publishing authors of both soteriological persuasions?
NOTE: I apologize if it would have been more appropriate to have titled this topic something along the lines of Reformed & Non-Reformed resources rather than Arminian & Calvinist resources. If more appropriate, I'm willing to start a new topic more appropriately named and place the list there.
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