Are personal books backed up by Logos?
I've done a bit of searching on this topic and I'm not quite sure of the answer. Are personal books backed up by Logos?
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Bruce Dunning said:
I've done a bit of searching on this topic and I'm not quite sure of the answer. Are personal books backed up by Logos?
No. The only thing that syncs to the Logos servers is metadata such as book cover, author, title, etc. Eventually, Logos would like to sync this info, but it currently isn't available.
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I thought I read somewhere that was the case. Does anyone have a rough estimate when this might be?
In the meantime can someone explain the best way to back up personal books until Logos allows them to sync?
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Bruce Dunning said:
In the meantime can someone explain the best way to back up personal books until Logos allows them to sync?
Backup this folder: C:\Users\{username}\AppData\Local\Logos4\Documents\{random string}\PersonalBooks
Bruce Dunning said:Does anyone have a rough estimate when this might be?
Sorry I can't help with that. Some issues I can see:
- It could potentially be a lot of data.
- There might be legal issues if Logos stored personal files that violated copyright laws (which vary from country to country).
The first I am sure is an issue. Don't know about the second.
Logos was at one point committed to letting us share personal books. That would require those books, at least, be uploaded to their servers. They've been pretty quiet about this issue for some time. We can share the original source files now, so that may be enough and they won't bother with uploading personal books at all.
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Thanks Mark. 2 questions.
1. Can the backed up books be transferred to a 2nd PC or do they need to be recompiled on that PC?
2. If yes to the first part, can the backed up books be used with the mobile apps by tranferring them to my devices?Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
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Bruce Dunning said:
In the meantime can someone explain the best way to back up personal books until Logos allows them to sync?
Search the forum for BACKUP - read the horror stories of those that did not backup.
We backup our PB files the same way we backup all the rest of the data on our computers that we want to keep
[External drives, DVD/CD, Cloud]
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Thanks Mark, that is helpful. I can imagine that this would be a major project for Logos.
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Let me correct myself as I gave you incorrect info. The file I gave you to copy is the personal books manager file which you do not need to backup AFAIK.
The actual resource files you want to back up are found at: C:\Users\{username}\AppData\Local\Logos4\Data\{random string}\ResourceManager\Resources
If you sort that folder by Type, look for the type LBSPBB, or simply scroll down until you find files that have random alphanumeric strings for titles. Those files need to be backed up. Here's an example:
The problem is not backing up but restoring. These can only be read back into Logos by using the SCAN command and pointing it to the backup file location. Doing this ought to create the proper entries in the personal book manager file, although I haven't tried it.
To transfer your PBs to another computer you need to use the backup file of the PBs you created and execute the SCAN command from that Logos installation pointing to the PB backup file.
I haven't tried to do this, but it should work.
So backup just those files with the funny titles that are of LBSPBB type to backup your Personal Books.
Sorry for the misinformation the first time around.
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Alan said:
1. Can the backed up books be transferred to a 2nd PC or do they need to be recompiled on that PC?
See my corrected response above to see how to do this.
Alan said:can the backed up books be used with the mobile apps by transferring them to my devices
No there is no way to do this presently. That is one issue Logos needs to solve. Loading them onto their servers would provide a way for them to allow us to use them on our mobile devices.
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Thanks Mark. For me it is the one serious limitation of the Logos system. So much of my work is on the road and I would really like to keep all my info with one application. Here's hoping it will get attention in the near future.
On this, I also sincerely hope that Logos will not go the paid/subscription cloud server route for these files. If they do I then hope they at least allow a reasonable free sized cloud (perhaps in proportion to the resources owned).
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I would actually also recommend backing up the Source files for those personal books. If you backed up the compiled books (.lbspbb files) but not the source documents (.docx files) you'd never be able to rebuild the books (e.g., if you needed fix typos). And there's no guarantee that Logos might not change the personal book file format yet again in a future release like they did from Logos 3 to Logos 4, so in that case you'd not ever be able to open those books again. We learned a big lesson in the upgrade to Logos 4. Keep your Personal Book source documents!
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Alan - I agree with your desire and hope that we see personal books sync in the not-too-distant future. I too hope that Logos can provide a free option… as far as I know, none of these discussions have been public (and I have no inside knowledge on the subject). It may be unreasonable, however, to expect everything you wish:
- Sync of personal books very soon
- no cost to syncing of personal books
I assume this project will be very expensive for Logos, especially if they have to pick up the tab for storing the personal book files. Just think about this: If Logos has Book X (a public domain book) in it's library, it only has to have one copy of the book for the thousands of users who own it (backups aside). As soon as they allow personal books on their servers, they may face a situation with thousands of files for the one book! I am not a programmer, and don't deal with such things, but it seems like a daunting and costly endeavor. I wonder if a solution of dropbox (or similar service) could potentially solve the problem… but then Logos and its customers would be dependent upon another company. If it goes out of business, raises its rates, etc, we would all be up a creek without a paddle.
I guess what I am trying to say: I hope I am wrong, but it seems like this project will take longer than we hope and may require money out of pocket.
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Thanks everyone. This whole discussion points out the current glaring weaknesses of personal books. Hopefully it will be improved soon.In the meantime I'm nervous about adding too many personal books.
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Bruce Dunning said:
In the meantime I'm nervous about adding too many personal books.
I wouldn't be. One solution for syncing the source material (.docx files) is to use dropbox. I have a tutorial thread HERE. Once you have dropbox set up, you can sync the .docx files among your computers and compile resources as needed on each computer.
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Alabama24 - now you're talking! A personal dropbox syncing option in which I have to manage downloads makes good sense. Dropbox already has the option to share files. It will also take any possible copyright infringement hassles away from Logos who won't be storing the files.
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Mark Smith said:
Logos was at one point committed to letting us share personal books. That would require those books, at least, be uploaded to their servers. They've been pretty quiet about this issue for some time. We can share the original source files now, so that may be enough and they won't bother with uploading personal books at all.
It's still on the roadmap, and my team will be doing some of the work to support it. I can't provide an estimate of when the feature will be available.
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Alan said:
A personal dropbox syncing option in which I have to manage downloads makes good sense.
It won't solve the mobile app issue, however. Though you can use Dropbox on mobile apps, you can't build PBs on the mobile Logos apps. But between desktop and laptop, it is fine. You just have to remember to rebuild the files when you get to the second computer. The real solution is a way to synch the actual PBs on all machines and on the mobile apps. Glad Logos still has this on their road map, just hoping it isn't somewhere in the mountains of central Asia!
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They could save a lot of server bandwidth and storage if they would decentralize the system a bit...
The opperating assumption I am reading is that they will use a centralized system, IE they have to host and distribute everyone elses files. But if they went with a de-centralized system, they could cause us to host and use our bandwidth to disseminate the books to our own computers...
Let me be more specific here... As it stands, the method everyone assumes they will use is as followsA. Logos Servers
B. My desktop computer (primary pc)
C. My Laptop
D. My idevices
The centralized system assumes Logos is at the heart of it... So I make a new PBB on B, it gets uploaded to A, and then the next time I use C and D, A sends the file out.
A decentralized system would depend on at least two of the devices being on at the same time, so I make a new PBB on B, turn on my laptop (C) and the logos installations compare book lists and sync. Later I turn my ipad on, while my laptop is on, and the same thing happens. Logos (A) never enters into the equation. IF I pirate books, I have done so using my computer, my bandwidth, and so forth. THUS the responsibility is mine.
No legal hurdles. They are simply syncing my data across my computers.
Ideally of course, it would be set up to prevent duplication of resources. So I don't end up with the same PBB 4 times on every device. Also it might be nice to have a way to deselect books that you want excluded from the syncing...hmm...
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Mark Smith said:
To transfer your PBs to another computer you need to use the backup file of the PBs you created and execute the SCAN command from that Logos installation pointing to the PB backup file.
I haven't tried to do this, but it should work.
It does work, as long as both machines are sync'd up-to-date, since the header info for Personal Books is sync'd by Logos. It does require a restart for Logos on the destination machine. BTW, it also works between L4 and L5 installations.
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Robert M. Warren said:
It does work, as long as both machines are sync'd up-to-date, since the header info for Personal Books is sync'd by Logos. It does require a restart for Logos on the destination machine. BTW, it also works between L4 and L5 installations.
Good info and good to know someone has tried it and it works. [Y]
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Boy am I glad somebody asked this question because I had NO IDEA my personal books weren't being backed up.
Anything else in Logos 5 that I should know about that I need to backup "manually", as it were?
Thanks! [:D]
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Carmen Gauvin-O'Donnell said:
I had NO IDEA my personal books weren't being backed up.
Since your personal books don't sync, they aren't being backed up. The meta data for your personal books (the author, date, publisher, etc.) IS being backed up. You don't need to worry about the compiled personal book… you DO need to worry about the source (.docx) documents, which should have been apparent that they were not being backed up as they reside elsewhere on your hard drive in what ever folder structure you have created.
Carmen Gauvin-O'Donnell said:Anything else in Logos 5 that I should know about that I need to backup "manually", as it were?
I don't think so, although some other users do make back ups of things they think are important. I generally trust "the cloud."
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Ken Baker said:
A decentralized system would depend on at least two of the devices being on at the same time, so I make a new PBB on B, turn on my laptop (C) and the logos installations compare book lists and sync. Later I turn my ipad on, while my laptop is on, and the same thing happens. Logos (A) never enters into the equation. IF I pirate books, I have done so using my computer, my bandwidth, and so forth. THUS the responsibility is mine.
True, but I don't think this will work because people do not keep their devices turned off. I turn off my items when I am not using them to help save $$$ on my electric bill.
Also, Logos has had some serious sync issues when a person was using two devices at the same time.
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Mark Smith said:
It could potentially be a lot of data.I know that I have between 200 and 300 personal books. Some are very small and some are very large.
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Others do the same thing, I keep my PB source files in a Dropbox folder, so it syncs with multiple other computers. I compile from there. So if a Logos computer b lows up, it's on other computers and their server, even if my own backup does not work! Works like a charm. Also, when I do an update, it propagates automatically to my other Logos install. I then just have to open up the PB tool and Build - no copying, worrying about whether a computer has latest copies, etc. And dropbox is free. This will also work with Google Drive and other similar offerings.
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I have another question regarding the best way to back them up. Is it best to set up a separate folder for each book with all the files for that book or is it okay to just back it all up in one large file. The former will be a lot more work but may be a lot easier to restore if necessary. Since I have never had to restore I'm not sure if it matters.
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Bruce Dunning said:
I have another question regarding the best way to back them up. Is it best to set up a separate folder for each book with all the files for that book or is it okay to just back it all up in one large file. The former will be a lot more work but may be a lot easier to restore if necessary. Since I have never had to restore I'm not sure if it matters.
You could zip them all together into one file and then back that up. Just keep the same folder/file structure that you have on your hard disk wherever you keep your PB sources. I use sub-folders for some books along with their cover icons, but others I just keep the .docx file in my main PB Sources folder. I never developed a consistent system. I don't look forward to ever having to restore the PBs in my Logos installation from such a backup, but if the metadata is backed up on Logos's servers, maybe that includes the link to the .docx file, and if I restore the files to the same location as they were before it would all be fine and all I'd have to do is rebuild all the books. I hope so. I still wish there were one "Rebuild All" button, because I have a lot of PBs!
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I too wish that there was an easier way to do backups and to restore. This seems like such an "old school" method of doing things. I hope that I never have to restore mine either.
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Please excuse my being curt, but I have to question this. Why?
Well due to my experimentation of the contradictory statements found here and not meaning to be offensive, but I have found that I do not need to have the original *.docx file on a NEW hd to get the personal books that are on my original system. I have now currently in my possession (4)four NEW hd’s straight out of the package that were used to install the different versions of Win7, and then a FIRST-TIME install of Logos 5; two(2) had just the “resources” folder copied over and two(2) were direct downloads of my resources.
Now this post is directly concerning the PB’s on ones system: I did no back-ups, although I do recommend it, of my PB’s but when I started each of the LOGOS5 on each of the NEW hd’s my PB’s were there. I opened them, read them, marked them, searched them, closed them, then sync’d. I went to another NEW hd and opened L5, sync, and there were the PB’s all marked-up.
You can take this as I stated, or try it yourself…..I didn’t do any coping of any PB files/folders from one hd to another, L5 [sync'd]them on it’s own. Regardless of what one might say….
hope this helps.....
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Well, Room4more you are right. It is true that technically you do not need to have the original .docx files to restore your Logos installation, complete with compiled PBs, onto a new HD.
However, as you pointed out, and I'll just elaborate on the reasoning behind it, it is still a good idea to keep them backed up for future use one day, as you never know. People have been lamenting the loss of all the work that was done creating PB's for Libronix, because in many cases the original source documents were not kept. Logos introduced a new PB format in Logos 4, and the old Libronix PB's were no longer readable. If people had kept their source files, they could have made whatever tweaks were necessary for the new PB format, recompiled them, and been on their way. But instead, they had to go find the public domain resources somewhere online and create brand new PBs. As far as I'm aware, this task has still not been completed for the dozens if not hundreds of Libronix PBB files on StillTruth.com.
Thus, if you create the PB's yourself and you don't want to potentially lose all those hours of work down the road, then yes, back up your .docx files and bring them with you to your new machine so you have them easily available for whenever you might need them.
Another reason for keeping your .docx files on your new HD is that you might discover a typo in the book someday, and you'd not be able to fix it if you hadn't kept the source file.
Keeping the .docx files for PBs is like programmers keeping their source code. The program might work fine on new versions of Windows, but it might need to be recompiled, or bugs fixed.
So you always want to keep the source files. A certain amount of work went into making them (sometimes LOTS of work if they were from scanned OCR'ed old texts and you had to go through and fix up lots of typos and such). Why would you just toss them? With the size of hard disks these days, saving the storage space is not an issue.
So I'm not sure why you started out your post with "excuse my being curt, but I have to question this. Why?" when even you yourself said "I did no back-ups, although I do recommend it, of my PB’s." I think we're on the same page about this. It's probably best to recommend to people that they back up their .docx sources for PBs, not question their reason for wanting to do so.
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Rosie Perera said:
Well, Room4more you are right. It is true that technically you do not need to have the original .docx files to restore your Logos installation, complete with compiled PBs, onto a new HD.
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So I'm not sure why you started out your post with "excuse my being curt, but I have to question this. Why?" when even you yourself said "I did no back-ups, although I do recommend it, of my PB’s." I think we're on the same page about this. It's probably best to recommend to people that they back up their .docx sources for PBs, not question their reason for wanting to do so.
Thanks Rosie, maybe I should clarify;
I do have a back-up, on an external hd. You are correct there is a lot of work there and I would really not want to have to do it the third time.
Also, i did not do a 'restore', the installation is considered a 'FIRST-TIME' installation as I have previously[currently] been told, Logos 5 got the PB's from the infamous 'cloud' I did no put them into any folder in the new first-time installs. And, I wasn't really questioning anyones reason as to doing a back-up, again I do recommend it as you elaborated as to why; but within the thread there were statements made that they would not sync - but they do!!
Hope this helps to clarify. [ps:you should always have an external not connect backup and done regularly of your Logos package]
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Room4more said:
[ps:you should always have an external not connect backup and done regularly of your Logos package]
Are you saying that you back up your entire Logos library or just personal books? If so could you please elaborate your reasons for doing this?
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Room4more said:
Logos 5 got the PB's from the infamous 'cloud' I did no put them into any folder in the new first-time installs.
That's cool, and it's news to me. They didn't use to be able to sync PBs. I know they've been intending to add that functionality, but as far as I was aware it wasn't implemented yet.
In fact, I have recently installed Logos 5 from scratch on a brand new machine, and all my PBs are listed in the Personal Books tool, which tells me that the PB metadata was indeed synced from the cloud, and it even remembers when I last built them on my old machine before it died.
But the books' contents are not there, and I cannot open them. They do not show up in my Library.
If I click in the Personal Books tool to edit one of them, I get an indication that the .docx file that this PB was built from is not found (I have not yet copied my .docx files onto this new computer from my backup).
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "the installation is considered a 'FIRST-TIME' installation" -- did you do a clean install using the Logos 5 installer? Or did you do one of those methods where you copy all the resources from a previous installation to save downloading time? The latter would make sense to me, as that would include all the compiled PBs. But I do not believe compiled PBs are yet being synced to the cloud. I've been known to be wrong before, though. Let's just clarify to see if we're speaking the same language. I didn't mind waiting for all the resources to download from scratch because I've got pretty fast internet service and I was going to bed anyway. It was all done by the time I woke up, though I did still have to wait for the indexing to finish...which it did sometime later that day.
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Bruce Dunning said:Room4more said:
[ps:you should always have an external not connect backup and done regularly of your Logos package]
Are you saying that you back up your entire Logos library or just personal books? If so could you please elaborate your reasons for doing this?
Yes, I do. Just because thats the way I am. I like a clean system.
I regularly do a back-up and run through the files, if I detect something that seems out of place, I can put the hd in a laptop and run some simulations to see if my changes effect the program. I used to do beta back in the day, but now i just use the released versions it got too time consuming.....
you would be surprised at what this hill-billy living in the woods with an extremely quite recurve knows about Libronix Digital Library System.....but it seems that i have already offended some by voiceing this....oh well life goes on.
If you search around, you can usually get a good deal on an external w/a case and usb cord. [NEWegg is a good place to start I recently got a great deal on some drives, too good to pass on]
Hope this helps....
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Rosie,
condensed version: Yes, if you need to edit then you need the docx, but you do not need it on your system, you can edit on the external/save then call it from the external to re-load[recompile], i have done it just once for one. I have no idea why they are not showing....mine do.
I have the same -but it has content...../?
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Bruce Dunning said:
I too wish that there was an easier way to do backups and to restore. This seems like such an "old school" method of doing things. I hope that I never have to restore mine either.
I backup everything in the resource directory (logos's books and pb's books) so that I will not have to download all of them again when I get a new computer.
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Room4more said:Bruce Dunning said:Room4more said:
[ps:you should always have an external not connect backup and done regularly of your Logos package]
Are you saying that you back up your entire Logos library or just personal books? If so could you please elaborate your reasons for doing this?
Yes, I do. Just because thats the way I am. I like a clean system.
Now I have something to consider that I didn't think was needed. Does anyone else do this?
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tom said:Bruce Dunning said:
I too wish that there was an easier way to do backups and to restore. This seems like such an "old school" method of doing things. I hope that I never have to restore mine either.
I backup everything in the resource directory (logos's books and pb's books) so that I will not have to download all of them again when I get a new computer.
I have thought about that but I just have never done anything about it. It certainly would save a lot of time.
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Room4more said:
Please excuse my being curt, but I have to question this. Why?
Making a guess at the reference of "Why?", I'd answer that I was glad to have my source documents to convert from HTML for Logos 3 to .docx for Logos 4.
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Rosie, and searchable:
**Thanks, MJ.**
to finish Rosie's question:
Rosie Perera said:Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "the installation is considered a 'FIRST-TIME' installation" -- did you do a clean install using the Logos 5 installer? Or did you do one of those methods where you copy all the resources from a previous installation to save downloading time? The latter would make sense to me, as that would include all the compiled PBs. But I do not believe compiled PBs are yet being synced to the cloud. I've been known to be wrong before, though. Let's just clarify to see if we're speaking the same language. I didn't mind waiting for all the resources to download from scratch because I've got pretty fast internet service and I was going to bed anyway. It was all done by the time I woke up, though I did still have to wait for the indexing to finish...which it did sometime later that day.
A clean Install using the downloadable setup file *.exe. "no method" just did the setupexe and then copied my resources over to the "clean first-time" installed resources folder - on a clean win7 loaded from the disk setup on a brandspanking NEW right outtathepackage Harddrive....
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So let me make sure I have your method down:
1. Copy c->users->appdata>local>Logos5 folder to the new drive, and then
2. install logos 5 on the new drive.
If so, its possible, even probable, that we could use a syncing software on multiple machines to sync everything out ourselves... Something akin to live mesh, just point it at the logos install folders. Might need to force a re-index (12 hrs on my laptop, 1 on my desktop =s). But that is do-able.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Room4more said:
condensed version: Yes, if you need to edit then you need the docx, but you do not need it on your system, you can edit on the external/save then call it from the external to re-load[recompile]
Yes, one could do that. However I prefer to do all my work on one self-contained system, not edit things on my external/backup drive. There's a reason why it's "external" -- I want to keep it from getting accidentally munged.
I do have a laptop as well, and it's true, I don't need to keep duplicate copies of my .docx files on that. In fact, it's probably better that I don't. There's a risk they might get out of sync if I edited one there and didn't make the same change in the source on my desktop computer. I haven't bothered to get PB's working on my laptop yet, but will want to eventually. And I'm hoping the cloud solution "just works" once it's implemented.
But I'm still mystified as to how you got content in your PBs without copying the compiled files. I see from your screenshot that the .docx file is indeed not there (you wouldn't be able to rebuild in that state even if you wanted to).
You didn't copy the compiled PB resource files (.lbspbb files) from another HD? Yet they're there? (in ...Logos5\Data\{random}\ResourceManager\Resources). I don't have any .lbspbb files in that folder currently, except the one that I just built to test, to remind myself of what the file extension was.
That's why none of my other PB content is there. I'm guessing that if I copied all my .lbspbb files from the backup of my dead computer, they'd be resurrected (I might need to rebuild index, though). But I am 99% sure they do not come from Logos's servers, as Logos isn't presently syncing them there. You're saying you're pretty sure it's the opposite, right? Just trying to understand the conundrum from both sides.
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Room4more said:
just did the setupexe and then copied my resources over to the "clean first-time" installed resources folder
Oh, OK, now I understand finally what's going on. You did copy your .lbspbb files -- those are in the resources folder along with all your other resources that were downloaded from Logos. But that doesn't prove that the PBs were synced from the cloud. They were compiled the first time you built them, and you've copied them from that initial installation on down to other ones that were spawned from it.
Still maintaining that PBs are not synced to the cloud. Maybe that isn't what you were saying from the get-go. Maybe we're just talking in circles around each other. But I think we're finally starting to hone in on clarity and agreement and (hopefully) peace.
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hold the phone there let me check something....i am on one of the new hd setups now,,,
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okay gimme a sec here's what I am going to do: I will delete one of the pb's from the resources folder and then do an update resources...so this may take a few minutes...okay you good with that?
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Room4more said:
okay gimme a sec here's what I am going to do: I will delete one of the pb's from the resources folder and then do an update resources...so this may take a few minutes...okay you good with that?
Yup, I can hold on. This is exciting. I'm waiting with bated breath.
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Rosie Perera said:
Yup, I can hold on. This is exciting. I'm waiting with bated breath.
Actually I'm going off to work out on my treadmill and I might go to bed and pick this thread up again in the morning. Good luck with the update resources. I hope it reveals some answers one way or the other. This not knowing has been killing me. [:)]
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Rosie Perera said:Room4more said:
just did the setupexe and then copied my resources over to the "clean first-time" installed resources folder
Oh, OK, now I understand finally what's going on. You did copy your .lbspbb files -- those are in the resources folder along with all your other resources that were downloaded from Logos. But that doesn't prove that the PBs were synced from the cloud. They were compiled the first time you built them, and you've copied them from that initial installation on down to other ones that were spawned from it.
Still maintaining that PBs are not synced to the cloud. Maybe that isn't what you were saying from the get-go. Maybe we're just talking in circles around each other. But I think we're finally starting to hone in on clarity and agreement and (hopefully) peace.
Ok I will go with the underscored, that they came from the download from the Logos server...because I know that they were not a copy on this one.....that has to be the only way they could get there.....ok I think that we are clear, whew! that got confusing there for a sec, glad we could clear that one up.....that cloud was looking kinda bleak........never did have much faith in it. But I agree that they really need to spend some time on this one. The other two hd's I know that I copied the resources folder - that is a no-brainer.
But that still doesn't make sense as to why yours weren't there/? as to which I have no explaination...ok go run a mile....
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Room4more said:
Ok I will go with the underscored, that they came from the download from the Logos server...because I know that they were not a copy on this one.....that has to be the only way they could get there.....ok I think that we are clear, whew! that got confusing there for a sec, glad we could clear that one up.....that cloud was looking kinda bleak........never did have much faith in it. But I agree that they really need to spend some time on this one. The other two hd's I know that I copied the resources folder - that is a no-brainer.
That isn't what I meant. I was saying they did not get downloaded from the Logos server. Burden of proof is still on you. You remember that you didn't copy them onto this hard disk. But maybe your memory is faulty. I know mine is from time to time. "I could have sworn that I... Oh oops, no, I guess I didn't." I'm sure you've had that experience before.
Any results from your "update resources" after deleting the .lbspbb file yet? I'm guessing it didn't come back again from the dead, from the cloud that is. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but it needs to be really solid proof, preferably with a screenshot, not fallible human memory.
Room4more said:But that still doesn't make sense as to why yours weren't there/? as to which I have no explaination...
Well, I did just do a complete clean install on a brand new machine the day before yesterday and waited for it to completely download and index and have done nothing else to it since then except build one test PB. And the rest of my PBs aren't there, as would be expected if my theory is correct, that they are NOT synced to the cloud (yet, though we've been promised that is coming). It would utterly astound me if somehow time travel is possible and you've managed to get a version of Logos 5.3 or whenever they're going to add this feature, and it's working already for you. But there you have it. You apparently are experiencing something that nobody else is. (Usually we call that hallucination... LOL)
I'm sure it's not worth your time doing another clean install to see if the PBs come back for you. But that would be the only thing that would settle it for sure, in my favor I'm guessing, which is yet another incentive for you not to try the experiment. As long as you trust your (possibly faulty) memory, you can go on blissfully believing that the cloud is responsible for restoring your PBs. I don't mind you believing that, actually. It obviously hasn't hurt you thus far as you have all the PBs you want.
Room4more said:ok go run a mile....
Um, perhaps more like a brisk walk. And I probably won't do a whole mile. I'll probably peter out after 15 minutes.
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If my memory is correct, Bob P. a few months back posted information on the issues they were still hashing out on the syncing of PB's - primarily issues of methods for making the bandwidth required reasonable. If one found that post and went through the change notes on releases after it, one should be able to shortcut actually running the variety of tests to prove the point ... whichever point.
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MJ. Smith said:
If my memory is correct, Bob P. a few months back posted information on the issues they were still hashing out on the syncing of PB's - primarily issues of methods for making the bandwidth required reasonable. If one found that post and went through the change notes on releases after it, one should be able to shortcut actually running the variety of tests to prove the point ... whichever point.
Good idea!
Haven't found any release notes where sync of personal books was added. The only mention of sync in conjunction with personal books that I was able to find was in "Known Issues" for 4.3 Beta 12, which said "Personal Books will not automatically sync between computers." That line had been carried over from "Known Issues" for several beta released prior to that, and it was dropped unceremoniously in Beta 13, but there was no corresponding mention that sync would now work with personal books. However this might have been the beta when syncing of PB metadata was put in. But I still don't think there ever was any syncing of compiled PBs to the cloud. Only someone from Logos could definitively answer this.
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Here are a couple of posts by Bob Pritchett about future plans for syncing personal books:
http://community.logos.com/forums/p/51114/376679.aspx#376679
http://community.logos.com/forums/p/52082/382882.aspx#382882 (this sounds like maybe the one you were thinking of MJ)
Looks like it's a large problem to solve, and they weren't prioritizing solving it back in July. I think we would have heard something about it on the forums or in the beta release notes if they'd solved it and were putting it out there for us to test, but there hasn't been a peep (unless I've missed it on the forums, but I've searched through all the beta release notes and it's not there).
So I'm still holding my breath.
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