The Dictionary of Classical Hebrew is currently "almost there" on Prepub. http://www.logos.com/product/29300/the-dictionary-of-classical-hebrew
Could someone who has used this resource before provide a review. How have you used it? What are its pros and cons? How would you compare it to other works? Is it worth $250?
I'm guessing you already read the review on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/The-Dictionary-Classical-Hebrew-Edition/dp/1905048807
The latter paragraphs of that review indeed present us with the question concerning the value of DCH, especially given the dynamic Logos tools.
No doubt of course DCH would be a welcome addition to Logos though.
I am familiar with several reviews but what I would find most helpful is seeing several samples of the text. It is interesting that both the Logos listing and the Amazon listing don't show sample pages.
I'd also like to hear from people who have actually used this resource for study.
Here is an old thread that offers some help:http://community.logos.com/forums/p/12971/257408.aspxI plan to get it, based on what has been said. That may be the only way to "see" it and use it in Logos. There is always the return policy, although I would prefer to make an informed decision before I purchase.
EDIT: that link does work. Using my iPad on the forums doesn't work as well as using my pc. Please delete the "I" after aspx.
Here is an old thread that offers some help:http://community.logos.com/forums/p/12971/257408.aspx
Thread title with link => The Concise Dictionary of Classical Hebrew?
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In the referenced thread, it's interesting to do a BWS on the phrase Amy mentions in her lead-off from Proverbs.
Going down to the DSS Bibiical Scrolls, you can see the 'ruins' usage (Isaiah scroll, and the passage mentioned in the CHL entry that she highlighted). The root section of the BWS doesn't hint of the alternative usage.
Certainly at the price we're talking about, it can only add some more 'umph' to our OT diggings, plus the prepub is the whole enchalada. Six or eight volumes is not very 'concise'.
I still would like to see some sample pages. Anyhow have a link somewhere?
Bruce,
I did find a page to view but I cannot link to it since it is a competitor's website. It is the major Mac competitor which offers the concise DCH and the full DCH. Googling it works.
It's interesting on the Accordance site, the price is $299 when you search but when you click on the item to buy/download, it's $350. That's an expensive little click!
Bruce, I did find a page to view but I cannot link to it since it is a competitor's website. It is the major Mac competitor which offers the concise DCH and the full DCH. Googling it works.
Thanks, that's helpful Joan. Isn't it ironic that, as loyal customers of Logos, we have to go to a competitor's website to find information on a book Logos is trying to sell? [*-)]
I would encourage Logos to add some information on the Pre-Pub page.
I just noticed that The Dictionary of Classical Hebrew just lost a huge amount of "interest". It was "almost there" and now it is "gathering interest". My guess is that some people opted out in the last few days. Maybe this is a result of people overextending themselves with too many Logos sales.
Looks to me that it could be a while before it even gets back to where it was.
Another, alternative guess would be that Logos detected that they will require much more work than estimated (seems very reasonable, given the bad track recors of development times for hebrew-related resources in general) or other aspects that influence their viability considerations. Subsequently the internal production cost had to be reconsidered and the 100% treshold has been redefined to reflect the current situation.
We have seen such in the past - in some cases on CP also into the favorable direction, where resources "jumped upwards".
Sometimes these changes occurred due to manual input error and were revoked after forum discussions (at least I think I remember such).
I suspect they looked at Bruce's sample page, and said 'Oh my goodness!' And we're only charging $250 for this when Accordance is almost $50 higher!!
Now, that's not meant to sound like a pricing issue (gouging). Instead it illustrates how when a competitor ALREADY sells the book with a specific price, the 'room' available to pre-pub it AND get sufficient takers at the start becomes an issue.
My guess is CHL is destined to be another Jastrow. Samaritan Penteteuch. Croom's Coptic (if I remember right). And on and on. A million Logos users is just not enough. Probably Accordance has two million users. Have to run over there and see how the Windows version's coming along. (Scan around for any jugs of molassas).
Bruce, the main advantage of DCH is that it covers a much broader range of Hebrew texts than just the Bible. It is the only major dictionary of ancient Hebrew that includes all the Dead Sea Scrolls and many ancient Hebrew inscriptions. This contrasts with BDB, still very useful for biblical Hebrew but over 100 years old, and HALOT which is exhaustive in scope but primarily focused on biblical Hebrew words. When I started studying biblical Hebrew, my first Hebrew prof was a DSS scholar and he had good things to say about DCH primarily because it was the only dictionary to cover the Scrolls.
That is helpful Doug. Thanks. Now we just have to get enough people interested in it to get it into production.
Here's some great information on this resource. I just put in my order.
http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2013/01/dictionary-classical-hebrew-unique-indispensable-tool/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheNakedBible+%28The+Naked+Bible%29
Here's some great information on this resource. I just put in my order. http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2013/01/dictionary-classical-hebrew-unique-indispensable-tool/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheNakedBible+%28The+Naked+Bible%29
Thanks Michael. I've been thinking about this resource for weeks but just had not decided. Reading Michael Heiser's blog just put me over the edge and I put in my order.
http://www.logos.com/product/29300/the-dictionary-of-classical-hebrew
Bruce's link to Dr Heiser's site is worth reading. Here's a snippit from it (since we're ALL interested in saving dinero, in addition to top quality).
'In the case of Clines, the pre-pub is an exceptional deal. It isn’t enough to call this bargain a steal; it’s grand theft. DCH retails for a whopping $1,280 in print ($160 per volume) '
So if you're on the 'edge' and you just don't want to 'click' the buy button (actually pre-pub), then make sure you keep an eye on when the resource is about to go into development. You'll 'cry me a river', if you miss it.
What do you think will be the post-publication Logos cost? $299? I'm good to save $50.
Well, even if it is $299 as per the lined out figure in the display page for this resource, that is still a great deal. But, we need to get it into production. I am surprised it isn't already for the value this adds.
Bruce ... hard to say, judging from the publisher's price and then piecemeal hard volumes at $140 if you're lucky used. To be honest, I was on the fence.
Regarding Joan's comment, this is interesting: http://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com/ancient_hebrew_poetry/2007/05/the_future_of_a.html (a bout 5 years ago; how foresighted).
Frankly I do NOT like the article, since it strongly suggests becoming familiar with a lexicon's full discussion before taking on the task of definition. Goodness ... I just scan down until I find a definition that fits what I think. It's faster and quite frankly, far more enjoyable.
It's now "under development"............[:D]
Thanks to everyone for making it happen!
What does it mean in time: under development? A week, a month?
There isn't a set time for "under development." However, Logos will list the release date when it is getting close (i.e. a "month").
Whew!! Classical Hebrew is ALMOST THERE!! https://www.logos.com/product/29300/the-dictionary-of-classical-hebrew
Yes ... it was 'in development' but was that REAL development of 'almost there development'?
I'm exhausted. I already cancelled and added twice. I'm wondering if 'the other side' might indeed be the answer.
See also http://community.logos.com/forums/p/80206/561463.aspx
As this is included in the Logos 6 collectors base package it cannot be too far from seeing the light of day.
Any news about this?
It still says "under contract" so I doubt whether we will hear details of any more progress.
