"Replace with Passage" option in Smart Tags has disappeared for Office 2013 (32-bit)

Martin Ricquebourg

I upgraded my Office 2010 to 2013 today to discover that my Logos 4 smart tags only partially function. Any abbreviations of books go totally unrecognised (e.g. Matt for Matthew) and the very useful "replace with passage" feature is no longer present. Is there a smart-tags upgrade available for Office 2013 users? Anyone having the same issues?

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Hello Martin,

I apologize I don't have any direct solutions for this, but I can provide some insight. Microsoft is slowly, but steadily, depreciating the Smart Tags feature. They keep burying it deeper in the settings and will likely remove it entirely at some point.

Long-term, you may have better luck using the Copy Bible Verses tool. On Windows, you can access this with the global keyboard shortcut CTRL+ALT+B, whenever Logos is open. This tool was specifically designed to work with Word for exporting passages and provides a lot of extra options you can't get from Smart Tags.

Martin Ricquebourg

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/457779#Comment_457779

Hi Mike, thanks for the quick reply. I didn't know about "Ctrl+Alt+B". Very helpful!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/457779#Comment_457779

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your reply. I immediately noticed this same behavior as Martin once I upgraded to Office 2013.

I'm trying to use CTRL+ALT+B as you suggest, but it seems to require many more steps. Before I would simply (1) right click a reference like Jn 3:16, (2) click Additional Actions, then (3) click Replace with Passage. Now I have to (1) select the reference, (2) CTRL+C to copy, (3) CTRL+ALT+B to bring up Copy Bible Verses, (4) CTRL+V to paste in the reference, then (5) fix the formatting of the verse that was pasted in since it seems to alter the formatting of my document (before it would just paste plain text so no re-formatting was needed).

Is there any other alternative? I use this feature with many references every single week, so it's a really big deal. Is this fixed in Logos 5 (I'm still using Logos 4)?

I'm a programmer, so if there is no plan for Logos to fix this problem, is there an API I can have access to in order to write my own tool? I see there is an old page with instructions for Logos 3: http://www.logos.com/support/windows/L3/automate_cbv, but I'm using Logos 4.

Thanks!

Bryant

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

I upgraded my Office 2010 to 2013 today to discover that my Logos 4 smart tags only partially function. Any abbreviations of books go totally unrecognised (e.g. Matt for Matthew) and the very useful "replace with passage" feature is no longer present. Is there a smart-tags upgrade available for Office 2013 users?

We haven't updated the Smart Tag for Office 2013 yet. Now that it has been released, we will be adding Office 2013 support in the near future (hopefully in the release after 5.0b).

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/457915#Comment_457915

Is there any other alternative? I use this feature with many references every single week, so it's a really big deal. Is this fixed in Logos 5 (I'm still using Logos 4)?

I'm a programmer, so if there is no plan for Logos to fix this problem, is there an API I can have access to in order to write my own tool? I see there is an old page with instructions for Logos 3: http://www.logos.com/support/windows/L3/automate_cbv, but I'm using Logos 4.

As per my previous reply, we plan to update the Smart Tag for Office 2013 in a forthcoming release of the software. I don't yet have a date for when that will be available.

Our existing Smart Tag is implemented by using the Logos 4 COM API, so if you are a COM programmer, you can duplicate its functionality using our public API (which is also available in Logos 5).

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/457959#Comment_457959

Thanks, Bradley, for your prompt reply. I'll be looking forward to that future release. It's only going to be available in Logos 5 I assume, not Logos 4?

Yes, I found the Logos 4 COM API page and actually implemented half of a solution yesterday. I'm going to keep working at it since it's an indispensable feature to me. Maybe if it works well, I can share with others.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/458048#Comment_458048

Thanks, Bradley, for your prompt reply. I'll be looking forward to that future release. It's only going to be available in Logos 5 I assume, not Logos 4?

I think we should be able to include an updated Smart Tag in the next versions of both Logos 4 and Logos 5.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/458052#Comment_458052

Awesome, thanks, Bradley!

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

Is there a smart-tags upgrade available for Office 2013 users?

An update to Smart Tags is now available for Office 2013 users. (This will be included in the next major release of Logos Bible Software, but I wanted to make it available for testing now for those who don't want to join the Logos 5 beta.)

To use it, download the Smart Tag for your version of Logos and place it in your Logos 4/5 System folder. This will be %localappdata%\Logos4\System for Logos 4 users, or Logos 5 users who upgraded from Logos 4, or %localappdata%\Logos5\System for brand-new Logos 5 installs. Overwrite the existing L4SmrtTg.dll file that is there. (Close all Office applications before overwriting the file, to make sure they're not holding it open.)

Download L4SmrtTg.dll for Logos 4 here, or for Logos 5 here.

Please let me know if you experience any problems with the updated Smart Tag.

Robert M. Warren

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/460390#Comment_460390

Customer service lives here.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/460390#Comment_460390

Bradley just confirming, Smart Tags still do not work with Office x64 per Microsoft, or has that changed with Office 2013?

Thanks!

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/460762#Comment_460762

Bradley just confirming, Smart Tags still do not work with Office x64 per Microsoft, or has that changed with Office 2013?

The Logos Smart Tag is still 32-bit only.

Do you have Office 2013 64-bit (or Office 2010 64-bit)? I've created a 64-bit version of the Smart Tag. Since I don't have Office 64-bit, it is completely untested. You can test it by downloading LSmtTg64.dll, putting it in any directory on your system, then running regsvr32 C:\Path\To\LSmtTg64.dll. It should display a dialog box saying DllRegisterServer succeeded.

Let me know if that does or doesn't work for you.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/460778#Comment_460778

Hi Bradley, I have Office 2013 x64 on my desktop. I tried the x64 dll, and it did succeed from the regsvr32 command. However, the Logos addin does not show up when I try to activate it:

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/460789#Comment_460789

Hi Bradley, I have Office 2013 x64 on my desktop. I tried the x64 dll, and it did succeed from the regsvr32 command. However, the Logos addin does not show up when I try to activate it:

Sorry, I posted the wrong link (now fixed); here's the right one: https://s3.amazonaws.com/downloads.logos.com/LBS5/LSmtTg64.dll

Please try it again with this DLL.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/460799#Comment_460799

OK regsvr32 succeeded, and it shows up in the right click context menu. I highlighted James 1:1 to test. Here are the results:

"Replace with Passage" - replaces with the text "James 1:1 (NAB)" (my default Bible)

Open Bible to James 1:1 - works!

Copy Bible Verses - works!

Passage Guide - works!

So it appears only Replace with Passage fails.

Is there anything else I should test?

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/460847#Comment_460847

"Replace with Passage" - replaces with the text "James 1:1 (NAB)" (my default Bible)

It looks like the communication with Logos 5 is succeeding (or else it wouldn't have been able to know what your default Bible is), but something else may be going wrong. Can you check CBV and make sure that with your currently selected style it shows text for James 1:1? Does changing the current CBV style help?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/460858#Comment_460858

Oh my, Bradley, I am so embarrassed! It is working fine as well. I was looking at it on a big screen, I didn't realize it was at the end of the page. the James 1:1 (NAB) was the title of the Fully Formatted style of CBV, the rest of the verse was on the next page! [:$]

So I would say all the context menu entries are working fine! Nice job! Is there anything else I should test?

Sorry to waste your time!

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/460869#Comment_460869

So I would say all the context menu entries are working fine! Nice job! Is there anything else I should test?

Glad to hear it!

It sounds like all the Smart Tag features are working as designed, so I don't think there's anything else to test. Enjoy!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/460894#Comment_460894

Bradley,

I can't get this to work. I downloaded the last 64 bit version you posted (I'm on Office 2013 x64). I ran the regsvr command from the command line (as administrator) and it "failed to load."

Any help would be appreciated.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/463267#Comment_463267

I can't get this to work. I downloaded the last 64 bit version you posted (I'm on Office 2013 x64). I ran the regsvr command from the command line (as administrator) and it "failed to load."

Try running regsvr32 directly from the Run box (Windows+R) without using a Command Prompt; does that work? And make sure you are specifying the full path to the 64-bit DLL you downloaded (its name should be LSmtTg64.dll).

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/460390#Comment_460390

Super huge thanks, Bradley!!!!! This is one of the most valuable features for me since I use it all the time. It works beautifully for me. Thanks again!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/466643#Comment_466643

does this feature only work for Word 2013?... It doesn't show up in PowerPoint

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/507047#Comment_507047

does this feature only work for Word 2013?... It doesn't show up in PowerPoint

PowerPoint 2010 and PowerPoint 2013 are not compatible with the Logos Smart Tag. (PowerPoint 2010 changed the way in which it passes information to the Smart Tag, such that it's now impossible for us to detect Bible references. We haven't been able to find a workaround for this problem. Since Microsoft has deprecated smart tags in Office 2010 and later, it's unlikely that this will ever be fixed.)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/507077#Comment_507077

Could you explain, in detail, how to install the Smart tag .dll in Windows 64 bit? I am seriously challenged at this point with all of this, have used the smart tags in the past, and can't get beyond downloading the 64 bit program that you offered above. Any help would be really appreciated.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/521859#Comment_521859

Could you explain, in detail, how to install the Smart tag .dll in Windows 64 bit? I am seriously challenged at this point with all of this, have used the smart tags in the past, and can't get beyond downloading the 64 bit program that you offered above. Any help would be really appreciated.

Joel,

If you are running MS Office 32-bit (default/recommended) then the dll comes with any Logos 4/5 updates after March 19 this year. See http://wiki.logos.com/Smart_Tags.

If running MS Office 64-bit, get the dll and install it as described in posts following http://community.logos.com/forums/p/65493/460778.aspx#460778. It should then work as for the 32-bit dll.

Note that it works only with MS Word.

Kevin MacMillan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/460858#Comment_460858

Is there any way to specify the Bible version you want copied, short of changing your default Bible manually? Is there a way to do it through the API?

Thanks!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/536149#Comment_536149

Is there any way to specify the Bible version you want copied, short of changing your default Bible manually?

No.

Is there a way to do it through the API?

I'm not familiar with the COM API.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/460778#Comment_460778

Bradley,

Thanks so much for the dll

I run Logos 5 on a Windows 7 Home Premium operating system. I have Office Home and Business 2010 64 bit. Ran the dll and now I have the additional actions!

Thanks so much

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/463319#Comment_463319

Bradley,

I am running Windows 7 64x, last night I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2013. I downloaded the latest smarttag version and placed it in the Logos 4 system folder. But when I attempt to run the register command it says file/module not found. Any suggestions?

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/549800#Comment_549800

But when I attempt to run the register command it says file/module not found. Any suggestions?

Can you post a screenshot of the error; that'll help track down exactly where it's failing.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/549816#Comment_549816

Bradley, my bad, I saw the post for the updated file for Word 2013 64x, but didn't catch that the version of Word 2013 I have is 32x so now I have replaced the good file with a good file that isn't teh right file.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/549823#Comment_549823

Try running a "Repair" on Logos Bible Software from "Uninstall Programs" in "Control Panel". It should detect the missing/overwritten Smart Tag DLL and repair it.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/463319#Comment_463319

Bradley,

I am running Windows 7 with Office 2010 64bit: I just purchased Logos 5 and installed it today. I am not super tech savvy and could use step by step instructions for getting the Smart Tag to work.

I have downloaded the .dll you mentioned in previous post, however, I do not understand the instructions from that point.

Any help would be a blessing.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/582300#Comment_582300

I have downloaded the .dll you mentioned in previous post, however, I do not understand the instructions from that point.

Press the Windows key then the R key until you see the Run box and then type in the command like the following:-

Instead of C:\SmartTag64 type in the path to the folder where you placed the dll. Then press OK.

Dr. David Wolfe

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/582671#Comment_582671

I am confused over the SmartTag64 ... I am running Win 7 64bit, Office 2007 64bit.

I am obviously don't understand, and or am not doing something correctly. At least my computer doesn't like how I do it. I made a C:\SmartTag64 ... ran the regsvr32 C:\SmartTag64|\LSmtTg64.dll ... and I get this response: The module "C;\SmartTag64|\LSmtT64.dll" failed to load. Make sure the binary is stored at the specified path or debug it to check for problems with the binary or dependent. DLL files. The specified module could not be found.

Then I hunted down Logos 5 on my computer--C:\ ... AppData\Local\Logos5\System ... and pasted the LSmtTg64.dll among the rest of the 'stuff' and ran the regsvr32 ... and got the same response.

Yet, if I go into Office\Add-Ins, there is a Logos Bible Software 5 (Bible references) followed by L4SmrtTg.dll. No LSmtTg64.dll. What am I doing wrong?

Dave

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589595#Comment_589595

The module "C;\SmartTag64|\LSmtT64.dll" failed to load.

It could be that the 64 bit dll is only compatible with Office 2010/2013. But try this first:-

regsvr32 /u C:\ ... AppData\Local\Logos5\System\L4SmrtTg.dll ==> unregister the 32 bit dll
regsvr32 C:\ ... AppData\Local\Logos5\System\LSmtTg64.dll

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589803#Comment_589803

Bump for Dr. David!

Dr. David Wolfe

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590379#Comment_590379

I tried your suggestion ... didn't work. I tried the /u switch, but it wouldn't unregistar. Maybe I just need to drop the Logos 64bit and go back to 32bit. Dave

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590416#Comment_590416

Maybe I just need to drop the Logos 64bit and go back to 32bit.

It should work if you uninstall Office 64-bit and install Office 32-bit.

Stephen Shields

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590697#Comment_590697

I implemented the suggestions in this thread.

As you can see, Logos shows up in the Additional Actions / Options list in Word 2010..

However, even though a reference is selected, Word's not giving me the option to insert the text.

I am using Logos Bible Software 5.2a SR-7 (5.2.1.0171) and Word 2010 -- Version: 14 (64-bit)

Any suggestions, shy of going backward to the 32 bit version?

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/614775#Comment_614775

Logos shows up in the Additional Actions / Options list in Word 2010

IIRC, this means that the Smart Tag is installed correctly.

Other things to check now:

Are you running Logos? It must be running for the Smart Tag to work?
Are you running Logos or Word as an administrator? That's not supported.
Check the other known issues at https://www.logos.com/articleviewer/530

Stephen Shields

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/614900#Comment_614900

Thanks for the quick reply.

I am running Logos.
I am not running as admin. I am just clicking and going.
The "known issues" page is what sent me to this forum. That's kind of circular. (Actually, it didn't send me here, but I've been there).

Any other thoughts?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/614961#Comment_614961

Have you tried unregistering the 32-bit dll L4SmrtTg.dll as in a previous post and are you sure you have the correct LSmtTg64.dll?

Stephen Shields

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/615064#Comment_615064

I just did that. Indeed, the 32 bit was successfully unregistered.

And then I Downloaded the 64 bit on from your link, registered it, and rebooted.

With Logos running, I opened Word 2010 64bit and typed the John 2:1, rightclicked it, and had the same outcome as I had above.

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/615116#Comment_615116

With Logos running, I opened Word 2010 64bit and typed the John 2:1, rightclicked it, and had the same outcome as I had above.

This is the time to contact Logos Support for a more complete diagnosis (possibly online).

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/615166#Comment_615166

This is the time to contact Logos Support

As per https://www.logos.com/articleviewer/530, "The Logos Smart Tag is unsupported"; they'll most likely refer you to the forums.

It's not clear to me (from this thread) if anyone has successfully run the 64-bit Smart Tag with 64-bit Office 2010, or only with Office 2013. Unfortunately, having neither, I'm unable to debug it and see if there's a problem.

I also don't remember if the smart tag creates logs that may identify the problem.

Stephen Shields

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/615222#Comment_615222

This is the time to contact Logos Support

That's how I got here, Dave. Lauren Mittelstaedt, from Logos Support, sent me here....

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As per https://www.logos.com/articleviewer/530, "The Logos Smart Tag is unsupported"; they'll most likely refer you to the forums.

It's not clear to me (from this thread) if anyone has successfully run the 64-bit Smart Tag with 64-bit Office 2010, or only with Office 2013. Unfortunately, having neither, I'm unable to debug it and see if there's a problem.

I also don't remember if the smart tag creates logs that may identify the problem.

Maybe that's it. Maybe they just never figured out how to get it working in 2010.

Stephen Shields

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/615260#Comment_615260

Yeah -- I just called them and the representative said there was no way to do this with 2010 64bit.

To me, that kind of makes Logos something like a Suzuki Hayabusa without a seat. Functional in very exciting ways while being frustrating in the most basic of ways. [:(]

Thanks for interacting with me on this, anyway. I appreciate it.

Stephen Shields

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/615222#Comment_615222

Bradley,

OK -- here's where I am in this.

I had this working on my 64-bit Windows 7 machine, using Word 2010 32-bit and Logos 5.
I moved to a Windows 8.1 system, and when I installed Word 2010, I decided to do the 64 bit install. The ability to import text by right-clicking a reference did not work, as indicated above.
I followed the instructions in this thread, trying to use your 64-bit dll file (LSmtTg64.dll), unregistering the 32-bit dll (L4SmrtTg.dll) The ability to import text by right-clicking a reference still did not work in Word 2010 64-bit.
I uninstalled Word 2010 64-bit (using "uninstall programs" from the control panel), rebooted, and installed Word 2010 32-bit and rebooted. The ability to import text by right-clicking a reference in Word 2010 32-bit still did not work.
I unregistered the 64-bit dll and registered the 32-bit dll and rebooted. The ability to import text by right-clicking a reference still did not work.
I uninstalled Logos 5 and reinstalled Logos 5 and rebooted. The ability to import text by right-clicking a reference still did not work.

Talking to Jon Kaer, he suggested that the uninstall of the 64-bit version of Word 2010 was incomplete. He suggested that I follow these instructions:

How to Manually Uninstall or Remove Office Suites
https://office.microsoft.com/en-us/support/how-to-uninstall-or-remove-microsoft-office-2010-suites-HA104027750.aspx

Before undertaking such a task, I thought I would ask you your perspective (Jon seemed to think talking to you here first would be wise).

Any suggestions?

Thank you.

Stephen

PS: In each case, I do indeed have Logos 5 open while attempting the import of text.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/616206#Comment_616206

I haven't seen any evidence that the 64-bit Office uninstall was incomplete; I wouldn't bother with manually uninstalling it unless we know for sure that's related.

Which bitness of Office do you have right now?

Does unregistering the same bitness of the Smart Tag make it disappear from the list of "Available Actions" in the AutoCorrect options dialog? (It should.) Does it appear if you register the "wrong" bitness of the Smart Tag? (It shouldn't.) Does unregistering the wrong bitness and re-registering the right bitness of the Smart Tag bring it back to the Available Actions list? (It should.)

If my assumptions (in parentheses above) are correct, then we've proven that the right Smart Tag DLL is being registered and is able to be loaded by Word. Then we can troubleshoot why that's failing to communicate with Logos 5. My guess is that its COM entries aren't registered properly. You can fix this by running "%localappdata%\Logos5\Logos.exe /register". Does that make the Smart Tag start working?

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