Place a bid on this book, and you get the book FREE. I don't know why this is free, but it is a bit different than normal Community Pricing:http://www.logos.com/product/30394/the-messages-of-the-books
I had already bid on this book but I missed the free part until I read your post.
If it is going to be free why don't we all bid the highest price to help it along quicker? Am I right in thinking this?
Makes sense - though the bidder may want to check that the gift is available for all and not just the first so-many bidders.
I think so and that's what I did when I saw the announcement in the other thread.
I'm not sure exactly what you are saying. Are you saying that not all bidders may get in on this deal? That is not the way I read it.
The Messages of the Books will be free for everyone who places a successful bid. It will only be on Community Pricing for the month of March, so bidding higher will not help it go into production quicker.
Enjoy!
If it is going to be free why don't we all bid the highest price to help it along quicker? Am I right in thinking this? For the record, that would normally be very true. However, this is a special promotion we're running (look for a blog post later today!), and will run all month long.
If that is the case why are higher bids listed?
But if it doesn't cross the 100% line before the end of March then none of us who bid on it in March will be "successful" bidders, so nobody will get it for free, right? So isn't there at least some incentive for us to bid higher just to be sure it goes above 100% by the end of the month? We know that won't make it into production any quicker.
If it is going to be free why don't we all bid the highest price to help it along quicker? Am I right in thinking this? For the record, that would normally be very true. However, this is a special promotion we're running (look for a blog post later today!), and will run all month long. If that is the case why are higher bids listed?
This is essentially a training simulation in how to participate in CP offerings. Consequently, they want it to seem as much like a typical CP process as possible. Having just a single value for the resource wouldn't convey the usual procedure.
Fwiw, I did bid higher than the current high for the logical reason.
If it is going to be free why don't we all bid the highest price to help it along quicker? Am I right in thinking this? For the record, that would normally be very true. However, this is a special promotion we're running (look for a blog post later today!), and will run all month long. But if it doesn't cross the 100% line before the end of March then none of us who bid on it in March will be "successful" bidders, so nobody will get it for free, right? So isn't there at least some incentive for us to bid higher just to be sure it goes above 100% by the end of the month? We know that won't make it into production any quicker.
That's what I thought.
I had already bid on this book but I missed the free part until I read your post. If it is going to be free why don't we all bid the highest price to help it along quicker? Am I right in thinking this?
Bump
Thanks!
I bid 20$ on it as well. Due to the fluctuating nature of the finances of a seminarian I am willing to commit 20-30$ for some of these sets, because I can come up with that most of the time. But when it starts getting to be more than that, I get nervous about making the commitment. I want my yeses to mean yes. sometimes 50$ is more than I can come up with, and I've had to cancel a few things (canceled Spurgeon unfortunately - kicking my self now but nothing could have been done about it at the time).
We shall see. Sometimes I wish I had a way to store money in my Logos account.
Makes sense - though the bidder may want to check that the gift is available for all and not just the first so-many bidders. I'm not sure exactly what you are saying. Are you saying that not all bidders may get in on this deal? That is not the way I read it.
Many are called, but few are chosen. [;)]
I think there'll be a special April 1st announcement.
That sounds prophetic.
Many items would be over the line if we had bid $60 instead of $20
And many would be even worse off than they are now. High bids tend to scare people off.
Many items would be over the line if we had bid $60 instead of $20 And many would be even worse off than they are now. High bids tend to scare people off.
You'd think so, but I don't think people understand how community pricing works. My guess is that most people will bid $8 even though it makes sense to bid the highest price. Unfortunately, because of this mentality, I think some other community pricing books are "locked in" the lower price and will have harder time getting the required bids needed to put it in production.
Maybe Logos is using this giveaway to educate people to bid at a "better" price.
I think you are right that it is an educational exercise. They would like to have more participants in Community Pricing. Maybe you are even right about trying to get people to bid a "better" price.
I'd be interested to know what people actually bid on this "free" resource and the reasons behind it.
You can, ask your sales rep to deduct the amount from your card on a monthly basis, or as directed by you. I have done this before. One time I actually gave away money to some people on the forums who were born the same date as I.
No money to do it this year. [:)]
I bid $34. There is absolutely no cost to me to do so. If it goes over 100% by the end of March, I get it for free. If it doesn't, then on April 1 I pull my bid back to what I'm actually willing to pay for this.
That might not be the behavior Logos is trying to train people to use, but if we all did that on this occasion, then all of us who bid in March will get it for free if it ever goes into production. I'm not certain this will actually help the cause of making it go into production, because if N people who might have been willing to pay $8 for it are going to get it for free instead, then Logos needs to get that many more bids to pay for the cost of production before it will move out of CP. So it might be harder to accomplish when some of the regular bidders are getting a free ride.
Hence I'm not really sure why they are doing this experiment. Does it really help educate people about the CP program, or is it just a game to play?
Perhaps it is just a way to get more interest. The fact that we are even talking about this helps promote it. The whole thing does seem a bit strange to me though.
If those who usually do not bid on community pricing, bid on this book, (this was done before) they may also bid on some of the others.
Maybe Logos is using this giveaway to educate people to bid at a "better" price. I think you are right that it is an educational exercise. They would like to have more participants in Community Pricing. Maybe you are even right about trying to get people to bid a "better" price. I'd be interested to know what people actually bid on this "free" resource and the reasons behind it.
Hi Bruce,
We ran a very similar promotion to this last Spring, and it did very nicely. We got thousands of users engaged in Community Pricing for the first time! Not only is that good for us, but it's excellent for you! The more people bidding on Community Pricing titles, the more quickly they will go into production, and the better your odds are to drive down the price even more. [:)]
We ran a very similar promotion to this last Spring, and it did very nicely.
Not from my perspective. It was a good idea, but you messed it up pretty badly. I no longer remember for sure exactly what went wrong, but I believe it was the 'closing soon' e-mails that never went out, thus depriving people both of the chance to raise their bids, and of a vital piece of information about how CP works.
Also, you should have produced it much faster; it's always better to strike while the iron is still hot. And since you didn't, you should have used the 'We are about to begin processing' e-mail a week ago to remind people it was free, and inform them that they now have a new chance to get a book for free.
All in all, I don't think you got half the good will and information value out of it that you easily could have. Lots of people will probably download it without even remembering how they got it, thinking it's just a regular update of something they already had.
And while I'm at it: The video is very nice as far as it goes, but you made two mistakes when you put it up, and you still haven't fixed them:
We ran a very similar promotion to this last Spring, and it did very nicely. We got thousands of users engaged in Community Pricing for the first time! Not only is that good for us, but it's excellent for you! The more people bidding on Community Pricing titles, the more quickly they will go into production, and the better your odds are to drive down the price even more.
Thanks for the reminder. Bring on the new users! We all benefit when that happens!
We ran a very similar promotion to this last Spring, and it did very nicely. Not from my perspective. It was a good idea, but (...)
Not from my perspective. It was a good idea, but (...)
you raise some very valid points here. On the other hand it seems that Logos have statistics that show an increase in CP bidders, and thus prove a certain success - which could have been even better if they folowed some of your adivice.
Your OT point no 1 is a good one and I don't see why this info couldn't be put on an additional info site with a link "more details" or so.
Your OT point no 2:
The older info could be collapsed, and then remained collapsed, so that people like me didn't have to see it. I am very tired of having to scroll past that video every time before I can see anything at all of what interests me. With my magnification it's two full screens before I get to the actual books. (Same goes for the prepub video, by the way.)
On the other hand it seems that Logos have statistics that show an increase in CP bidders
Oh, I don't doubt that. It just seems a bit of a waste to spend so much money on a promotion, and then take so much less than full advantage of it.
I don't see why this info couldn't be put on an additional info site with a link "more details" or so
The easiest thing would be to simply link to the old page (I think it was an old blog post?)
seems to be a browser parity issue, or cookie security or whatever... it works (in the sense of: the CP and PP videos are collapsed) for me on Chrome as well as on IE
Thanks for telling me. Interesting. I just tried it on Firefox, and there is no way to collapse it there either. Perhaps another Mac/PC parity issue?[:D]
