King James Version with marginal notes

Hi, in some of my readings I am coming across some exegetical comments that speak of the marginal notes in some verses (and in some of these instances my Bible with marginal notes does not give these). So, which of the Logos resources would show all of the marginal notes or alternative translations? If Logos does not carry this, any other suggestions? Muchas gracias, Gregorio

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Dave Hooton

Hi, in some of my readings I am coming across some exegetical comments that speak of the marginal notes in some verses (and in some of these instances my Bible with marginal notes does not give these)

I'm assuming all your reading is from resources in Logos. You would need to know the bible and the version when trying to match marginal notes from exegetical resources, because Logos' electronic edition of the bible may be from a different publisher.

So, which of the Logos resources would show all of the marginal notes or alternative translations? If Logos does not carry this, any other suggestions?

Which bibles are you interested in? If Logos doesn't have that version there really is no alternative e.g. there are many versions of KJV but Logos only has two! In some cases you would be looking for a Study bible e.g. ESV Study Bible, in addition to the extensive footnotes the ESV has.

Gregorio Billikopf

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/471567#Comment_471567

Thanks Dave, and sorry I have not been able to reply until now. I did not use my Logos resources to note the marginal notes found in the AV, and have been finding that several exegetes mention other marginal notes I did not have. So anyway, I found them in the KJV 1813 edition (not from Logos). Thanks for letting me know that Logos does not have any versions of the KJV that have these marginal notes from the original translators of the AV. Best, Gregorio

Graham Owen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/472094#Comment_472094

I think that the notes that you are after are in:

The Cambridge Paragraph Bible: Of the Authorized English Version. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1873.

There is a long explanation about them in Section 2 of the Introduction which begins...

SECTION II.

On the marginal notes and the original texts of the Authorized Version of the English Bible.

Besides those references to parallel texts of Scripture which will be spoken of elsewhere (Section VI), the margin of most of our English Bibles, including the Authorized Version, contains certain brief annotations, the extent and character of which will now be described. The practice was begun by Tyndale, in whose earliest New Testament of 1525, the slight fragments of whose single known copy enrich the Grenville Library in the British Museum, notes rather expository than relating to interpretation are extant in the margin. In some places, and yet more in his version of the Pentateuch (1530 and subsequent years), these notes become strongly polemical, and breathe a spirit which the warmest admirers of that truly great man find it easier to excuse than to commend. In Coverdale’s Bible (1535), which was issued in hot haste to seize a fleeting opportunity, only five out of the eighteen notes found in the New Testament are explanatory, the rest having reference to the proper rendering: in the earlier pages of his Bible they occur much more frequently. Annotations of this kind are quite a distinctive feature as well of the Geneva New Testament of 1557, as of the Geneva Bible of 1560; and, mingled with others which are purely interpretative, are strewn somewhat unequally over the pages of the Bishops’ Bible (1568, 1572). One of the most judicious of the Instructions to the Translators laid down for their guidance by King James I., and acted upon by them with strict fidelity, prescribed that “No marginal notes at all be affixed, but only for the explanation of the Hebrew or Greek words, which cannot, without some circumlocution, so briefly and fitly be expressed in the text.” It had by that time grown intolerable, that on the self-same page with the text of Holy Scripture, should stand some bitter pithy comment, conceived in a temper the very reverse of that which befits men who profess to love God in Christ.
In the Old Testament the marginal notes in our standard Bibles of 1611 amount to 6637, whereof 4111 express the more literal meaning of the original Hebrew or Chaldee (there are 77 referring to the latter language): 2156 give alternative renderings (indicated by the word “|| Or” prefixed to them) which in the opinion of the Translators are not very less probable than those in the text: in 63 the meaning of Proper names is stated for the benefit of the unlearned (e.g. Gen. xi. 9; xvi. 11): in 240 (whereof 108 occur in the first book of Chronicles) necessary information is given by way of harmonizing the text with other passages of Scripture, especially in regard to the orthography of Hebrew names (e.g. Gen. xi. 16, 20, 24): while the remaining 67 refer to various readings of the original text, in 31 of which the marginal variation (technically called Keri) of the Masoretic revisers of the Hebrew is set in competition with the reading in the text (Chetiv). Of this last kind of marginal notes a list is subjoined, as many of them are not readily distinguishable from the alternative renderings, being mostly, like them, preceded by “|| Or”.

The Cambridge Paragraph Bible: Of the Authorized English Version. 1873 (xxiv–xxv). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

Gregorio Billikopf

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/472163#Comment_472163

Graham, I absolutely loved your post. I watched a 3-part video entitled Fires of Faith that spoke about some of these very controversial and polemical marginal notes mentioned in your introduction. As I mentioned earlier, I have a hard copy of the 1813 AV and it has the notes I was looking for, mainly the OR notes mentioned in your AV introduction above. So, does Logos also have these available in one of its Bibles? I am getting awfully spoiled by Logos. Best, Gregorio

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/472850#Comment_472850

So, does Logos also have these available in one of its Bibles?

The bible mentioned is a Logos edition http://www.logos.com/product/16102/the-cambridge-paragraph-bible-of-the-authorized-english-version

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/472850#Comment_472850

Gregorio ... below is a screen-capture of the two KJV's mentioned (Cambridge 1873 above; KJV 1900 below). On the left is the text; on the right the notes that accompany the text. There's also another KJV 1769 edition of the 1611 (but no notes). The Cambridge, in addition to the notes, has several appendices that describe variations from earlier english versions (similar to apparatus).

Gregorio Billikopf

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/472866#Comment_472866

Graham, Dave, DMB, this is wonderful indeed! I even own both Logos resources. I love the way they work and can easily find the items I am looking for by looking for the double vertical lines (for my OR margins) and crosses (for my HEB margins). You guys made my day! Also, DMB, thanks for the screen capture. Best, Gregorio