Why is Logos Missing out on all the Great New Titles?

Below is from an email from HarperOne. I 'guess' they think I'm a professor, and carefully figured out my preferred 'syllabus' (or simply bought the SBL mail list en-toto). I'd hate to think this is SBL? Bolds are mine.

"HarperOne has recently published several key titles that you should keep in mind as you plan your syllabus for the next few semesters.

The Myth of Persecution: How Early Christians Invented a Story of Martyrdom by Candida Moss (hardcover). A fresh new female voice in the world of academic religion, Candida Moss, a leading scholar on Christian history at Notre Dame, reveals how the early church exaggerated, invented, and forged stories of Christian martyrs and how the legacy of martyrdom continues to inspire the religious right and today’s conservative cultural warriors.

The Power of Parable: How Fiction by Jesus Became Fiction about Jesus by John Dominic Crossan (paperback). One of the main ways Jesus taught people was through the use of parables. Through an exploration of the literary genre popular in the ancient world, distinguished Jesus scholar John Dominic Crossan dissects the versions read in the Gospels to get back to what Jesus really intended to teach.

Speaking Christian: Why Christian Words Have Lost Their Meaning and Power—And How They Can Be Restored by Marcus J. Borg (paperback). Bible scholar Marcus J. Borg argues that the language Christians use has become distorted and calls for a revolutionary change that will allow the church's words to once again speak with power and hope.

Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth by Bart D. Erhman (paperback). Known as a master explainer with deep knowledge of the field, Bart D. Ehrman, a James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, methodically demolishes both the scholarly and popular arguments against the existence of Jesus."

(There was also a Tom Wright in there but I hated to have him show up in the stellar list of authors.)

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Whyndell Grizzard

GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

James C.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (Or whom one thinks is a stellar author).

MJ. Smith

Sorry DMB, I usually enjoy your posts but I have little patience for people using Logos forums to make fun of others. For this type of OT post, please share with your friends not with the world.

Matthew C Jones

several key titles

I'm hoping you have your tongue firmly planted in cheek....

The only way to ensure sales of these books in my part of the country is to require them for a class. And then it would be hard to fill one class role.

If Logos wants to gauge public sentiment for HarperOne's book selections, I suggest putting them on Pre-Pub for 8 years or so. [:O]

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473098#Comment_473098

Gee, MJ. What happened to your broad-minded view of libraries?

I just thought it was an interesting contrast of library content. A good commentary on university 'syllabus's. And it IS very germaine to Logos.

Actually I like both Wright and Ehrman (the latter heavily quoted in Rick's new Logos book).

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473139#Comment_473139

Gee, MJ. What happened to your broad-minded view of libraries?

I guess I misunderstood your intent. If you were genuinely suggesting them, bravo. I thought from your title you were making fun of the books. From summer classes at GTU in Berkeley, I've found myself surprised by who likes/dislikes these authors.

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473141#Comment_473141

Even when she's being serious, D is never serious. [pi] Except when she is, of course. [B]

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473111#Comment_473111

If Logos wants to gauge public sentiment for HarperOne's book selections, I suggest putting them on Pre-Pub for 8 years or so.

Actually, while they carry a bunch of New Age stuff that I wouldn't be interested in, HarperOne publishes a lot of books that I'd love to see in Logos quickly. For example:

Life Together: The Classic Exploration of Faith in Community by Dietrich Bonhoeffer

The Complete C.S. Lewis Signature Classics by C. S. Lewis

Addiction and Grace: Love and Spirituality in the Healing of Addictions by Gerald G. May

An Altar in the World: A Geography of Faith by Barbara Brown Taylor

Prayer: Finding the Heart's True Home by Richard J. Foster

Streams of Living Water: Celebrating the Great Traditions of Christian Faith by Richard J. Foster

Devotional Classics: Revised Edition: Selected Readings for Individuals and Groups by Richard J. Foster

Spiritual Classics: Selected Readings on the Twelve Spiritual Disciplines by Renovare, Richard J. Foster and Emilie Griffin

The Story of Christianity, Vol. 1: The Early Church to the Dawn of the Reformation by Justo L. Gonzalez

The Story of Christianity, Vol. 2: The Reformation to the Present Day by Justo L. Gonzalez

The Divine Conspiracy: Rediscovering Our Hidden Life In God by Dallas Willard

The Spirit of the Disciplines: Understanding How God Changes Lives by Dallas Willard

A Severe Mercy by Sheldon Vanauken

The Long Loneliness: The Autobiography of the Legendary Catholic Social Activist by Dorothy Day

Bread for the Journey: A Daybook of Wisdom and Faith by Henri J. M. Nouwen

A New Kind of Christianity: Ten Questions That Are Transforming the Faith by Brian D. McLaren

Stages of Faith: The Psychology of Human Development and the Quest for Meaning by James W. Fowler

Still: Notes on a Mid-Faith Crisis by Lauren F. Winner

The Dark Night of the Soul: A Psychiatrist Explores the Connection Between Darkness and Spiritual Growth by Gerald G. May

Celtic Daily Prayer: Prayers and Readings From the Northumbria Community by The Northumbria Community

The Pastor: A Memoir by Eugene H. Peterson

Answering God: The Psalms as Tools for Prayer by Eugene H. Peterson

Telling the Truth: The Gospel as Tragedy, Comedy, and Fairy Tale by Frederick Buechner

Listening to Your Life: Daily Meditations with Frederick Buechner by Frederick Buechner

And more by those authors...and others like them.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473171#Comment_473171

Definitely Dorothy Day! And would be good timing too.

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473171#Comment_473171

If Logos wants to gauge public sentiment for HarperOne's book selections, I suggest putting them on Pre-Pub for 8 years or so.

Actually, while they carry a bunch of New Age stuff that I wouldn't be interested in, HarperOne publishes a lot of books that I'd love to see in Logos quickly. For example:

Life Together: The Classic Exploration of Faith in Community by Dietrich Bonhoeffer

The Complete C.S. Lewis Signature Classics by C. S. Lewis

Prayer: Finding the Heart's True Home by Richard J. Foster

Streams of Living Water: Celebrating the Great Traditions of Christian Faith by Richard J. Foster

Devotional Classics: Revised Edition: Selected Readings for Individuals and Groups by Richard J. Foster

Spiritual Classics: Selected Readings on the Twelve Spiritual Disciplines by Renovare, Richard J. Foster and Emilie Griffin

The Divine Conspiracy: Rediscovering Our Hidden Life In God by Dallas Willard

The Spirit of the Disciplines: Understanding How God Changes Lives by Dallas Willard

Bread for the Journey: A Daybook of Wisdom and Faith by Henri J. M. Nouwen

And more by those authors...and others like them.

I have especially longed to have these in my Logos library for a while. Do you think there ever would be a chance of that?

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473184#Comment_473184

I have especially longed to have these in my Logos library for a while. Do you think there ever would be a chance of that?

I wish I understood the mysteries of why Logos can sometimes get books into production and why they can't or choose not to. But I don't. It's just a game of waiting and praying and pleading. Gets tiresome sometimes. I confess I sometimes give up and buy the Kindle version. Logos doesn't have anywhere near the clout and manpower of Amazon, alas.

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473180#Comment_473180

Denise, if you're suggesting these, shouldn't you use the Suggestions forum?

Definitely Dorothy Day!

In case people don't know: lots of Dorothy Day's works are freely available online, and could be made into PB's: http://www.catholicworker.org/dorothyday/Browsetitles.cfm. And everything I've looked at explicitly says it's free from copyright, so we can even share them, which is rare for someone who died so recently.

Is Mebin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473171#Comment_473171

Celtic Daily Prayer - by The Northumbria Community...definately!!!

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473190#Comment_473190

I wish I understood the mysteries of why Logos can sometimes get books into production and why they can't (...) I confess I sometimes give up and buy the Kindle version. Logos doesn't have anywhere near the clout and manpower of Amazon, alas.

Kindle - Put the book on all of the Kindles you own - Already own it on Nook? Pay for it again!

Nook - Put the book on all of the Nooks you own - Already own it on Kindle? Pay for it again!

Logos - Put the book everywhere - use Logos tools to read it on both Kindle and Nook and every other major e-reader [once the APP is released]

Think that maybe the publishers like getting paid every time you switch e-readers?? [and thus Logos can not get the licence - maybe]

[Just my guess] [Some other Bible software got a mobile licence that Logos could not get - But only for Apple items]

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473767#Comment_473767

fgh ... whatever I think is good is light-years away from the Logos system (as Rosie kind of hints at).

But I'll admit to be thrilled on the site you provided. FREE!! (had to move up a level; maybe my Opera is grouchy).

(I just spent the better part of the day making a PB for all my resource-maps in my books. I got all the way to the end before finding out Logos PB's don't do images without a lot intervention. I deleted the hours of work and called it a PB-day).

EDIT: Ok I downloaded about 50 of them; altogether it looks like 500+ or so. They're really quite interesting. I saved them out as htm's and then will write a script to build a PB (they're pretty straight-forward).

I'm kind of attracted to this, in the form of a daily 'devotional' (sounds crazy given some her subjects!). I used to be an Ayn Rand groupie; in a way Dorothy matches Ayn's drive, but is the flip-side of her beliefs. I notice there's also an index that might be helpful.

OK ... enough Logos maps. Dorothy Day!

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473171#Comment_473171

If Logos wants to gauge public sentiment for HarperOne's book selections, I suggest putting them on Pre-Pub for 8 years or so.

Actually, while they carry a bunch of New Age stuff that I wouldn't be interested in, HarperOne publishes a lot of books that I'd love to see in Logos quickly. For example:

I think I would prefer Denise's list. I may not agree with their positions (remember, I haven't read it yet), but I frequently find that writers I disagree with are the most valuable (even if a bit maddening).

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473900#Comment_473900

Uh oh. Now it's 'Denise's list'. My posting was motivated by the publisher 'packaging' a mass mailing with 'would you believe?!!' titles. Contrast with Logos marketing. Then the HarperOne writeups per title were top-quality baiting. I mean if a shark didn't climb on the hook, what could? Now, it's true, reading early writings, the martyrdom accounts were exagerated. No argument. And fiction about fiction is an interesting enterprise. Plus I've already read the Ehrman title, and his argument is weak for some odd reason (and so why write it?). Contrast this with earlier Logos marketing, which wasn't this bad ... but it was moving in this direction. I don't think that's true now. Of course, my opinion and Trumen's dime will get you ...

Now in defense of Rosie's list, from what little I've read so far, the easier reading is more likely in the 'Denise's list'. Dorothy Day doesn't pull punches.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473963#Comment_473963

Plus I've already read the Ehrman title, and his argument is weak for some odd reason (and so why write it?).

Usually an argument against something (in this case against arguments Jesus did not exist) sound weaker than arguments for something. But from my perspective they are still useful as a basis to build a better argument or, at least, build a better bibliography. Admittedly my primary example would be South Asian influence on Greek philosophy.

I'd have no problem having the content of all three lists in Logos. Sorry, I'd missed your point originally; now I understand the original post an agree with you that it can be seen as humorous.

David Paul

...distinguished Jesus scholar John Dominic Crossan...

I wonder, would that be distinguished as in קֹדֶשׁ or as in חֵרֶם ?

[Btw...Logos REALLY needs to get a forum that allows acceptable use of foreign languages.]

tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473879#Comment_473879

fgh ... whatever I think is good is light-years away from the Logos system (as Rosie kind of hints at).

But I'll admit to be thrilled on the site you provided. FREE!! (had to move up a level; maybe my Opera is grouchy).

(I just spent the better part of the day making a PB for all my resource-maps in my books. I got all the way to the end before finding out Logos PB's don't do images without a lot intervention. I deleted the hours of work and called it a PB-day).

EDIT: Ok I downloaded about 50 of them; altogether it looks like 500+ or so. They're really quite interesting. I saved them out as htm's and then will write a script to build a PB (they're pretty straight-forward).

I'm kind of attracted to this, in the form of a daily 'devotional' (sounds crazy given some her subjects!). I used to be an Ayn Rand groupie; in a way Dorothy matches Ayn's drive, but is the flip-side of her beliefs. I notice there's also an index that might be helpful.

OK ... enough Logos maps. Dorothy Day!

When you are done, can you please post them here. thanks.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473180#Comment_473180

Definitely Dorothy Day! And would be good timing too.

How about Doris Day? [;)]

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/474597#Comment_474597

Doris Day would likely 'blanche' at Dorothy's statements! Plus Doris would have to give up her convertible she always rode in, and go help Cesar Chavez.

Dorothy's statements do catch you, requring going back over the gospels each time.

I've got my first 'cut' done into Logos. I like it; There's almost 800 articles grouped by type and date written. I tried to put an index that would link to the articles, but Word wanted me to link all 800. Don't think so. The site included 3 of her books.

Will post after I at least remove self-induced errors. It's interesting just parsing the files ... you can see they had a basic guy for a long time. Then in the final years, some experts showed up (book company?), and some significant non-experts. All handled by the script. Sort of-ish.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/474573#Comment_474573

[Btw...Logos REALLY needs to get a forum that allows acceptable use of foreign languages.]

It does - English is a foreign language to much of the world.[:D]

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/474584#Comment_474584

Tom; file is quite large; rejected by Logos upload. If you give me your email in funny format, I'll send.

Mike Childs

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/473171#Comment_473171

Actually, while they carry a bunch of New Age stuff that I wouldn't be interested in, HarperOne publishes a lot of books that I'd love to see in Logos quickly. For example:

Life Together: The Classic Exploration of Faith in Community by Dietrich Bonhoeffer

The Complete C.S. Lewis Signature Classics by C. S. Lewis

Addiction and Grace: Love and Spirituality in the Healing of Addictions by Gerald G. May

An Altar in the World: A Geography of Faith by Barbara Brown Taylor

Prayer: Finding the Heart's True Home by Richard J. Foster

Streams of Living Water: Celebrating the Great Traditions of Christian Faith by Richard J. Foster

Devotional Classics: Revised Edition: Selected Readings for Individuals and Groups by Richard J. Foster

Spiritual Classics: Selected Readings on the Twelve Spiritual Disciplines by Renovare, Richard J. Foster and Emilie Griffin

The Story of Christianity, Vol. 1: The Early Church to the Dawn of the Reformation by Justo L. Gonzalez

The Story of Christianity, Vol. 2: The Reformation to the Present Day by Justo L. Gonzalez

The Divine Conspiracy: Rediscovering Our Hidden Life In God by Dallas Willard

The Spirit of the Disciplines: Understanding How God Changes Lives by Dallas Willard

A Severe Mercy by Sheldon Vanauken

The Long Loneliness: The Autobiography of the Legendary Catholic Social Activist by Dorothy Day

Bread for the Journey: A Daybook of Wisdom and Faith by Henri J. M. Nouwen

A New Kind of Christianity: Ten Questions That Are Transforming the Faith by Brian D. McLaren

Stages of Faith: The Psychology of Human Development and the Quest for Meaning by James W. Fowler

Still: Notes on a Mid-Faith Crisis by Lauren F. Winner

The Dark Night of the Soul: A Psychiatrist Explores the Connection Between Darkness and Spiritual Growth by Gerald G. May

Celtic Daily Prayer: Prayers and Readings From the Northumbria Community by The Northumbria Community

The Pastor: A Memoir by Eugene H. Peterson

Answering God: The Psalms as Tools for Prayer by Eugene H. Peterson

Telling the Truth: The Gospel as Tragedy, Comedy, and Fairy Tale by Frederick Buechner

Listening to Your Life: Daily Meditations with Frederick Buechner by Frederick Buechner

And more by those authors...and others like them.

[Y] Would love to have these in my Logos Library as well.

tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/474839#Comment_474839

Tom; file is quite large; rejected by Logos upload. If you give me your email in funny format, I'll send.

Thanks.

The email address that I use for Logos is taclogos_dot_com_at_gmail_dot_com. You will need to remove the underscores and change dot to"." and at to "@".

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/474912#Comment_474912

Done (hopefully).

tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/474923#Comment_474923

Done (hopefully).

I did not get it. Do you have a drop box/google drive/ect... where you could share it?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/475031#Comment_475031

No, Tom. And quite frankly I'm not in the mood for a work-around due to Logos (as usual) being unable to write a simple user error message on their upload screen (maximum size). Or answering a question from 4 years ago (for goodness sakes). I'm really tired of their poor handling of crashes (no message), poor handling of accidental clicks ('Are you sure?'), no un-do's, and so forth.

I guess I'm tired of in-your-face programming that they know better than doing. Just a few minutes ago a tech (who is nice) was explaining why exporting a Faithlife graphic in a 'normal' size wasn't doable. For a product aimed at non-Logos users.

The last few days there's been several who wanted to use Faithlife for their faith, but couldn't figure it out. And best I know, there's almost no one who knows on the forum, beyond some basics. That just really angers me (and anger is not good).

Yes, this is a rant. Yes, Logos is a good company. I just don't understand their attitude.