Logos 5 for Mac
I had L4 platinum on my Macbook Pro and the salesmen told me L5 was much faster now. Is it just me, but I don't find it any faster at all. When I try to open it from start it seems to take almost two minutes at least. Logos 4 opened much faster.
Next, I don't like staring at an all white background. I noticed a friend who has both Accordance and Logos showed me how to get Logos background to look like accordance. The feature is called "resource panel background", I can keep it white, make it grey, or make it like a pinkish/orange looking color. The "paper" option really helps my eyes; however, I notice that sometimes it looks white still and I have not altered the settings to go back to default "white". I check and it is in "paper" mode but looks white. Then other times I'll reopen and it looks like the pinkish/orangish color again. What is that all about? Does this happen to anyone else? This seems to be constantly happening. I asked him if Accordance ever does that and he said no.
Then doing a biblical word search seems to take forever. Am I doing that incorrect? I use search (while typing) surface text in All passages in Top Bibles for. I find that I can go to google and do it so much faster and find the texts I am needing. Hence defeating some of the purpose of L5. In my friends accordance, his macbook pro gets the results faster than google, I mean that thing is sick fast! He said he got the biblical languages pack because he felt L% was just too slow. While I would like to do the same I can't afford it at the moment.
Another thing I get is when I'm trying to shut down it always seems to try to be synchronizing or indexing something and it takes forever to shut down. I don't remember this happening to me with L4. I really love the newer features in L5 but I'm wondering if I made the wrong decision to upgrade to gold? Am I doing things wrong or do others find themselves with these same results? My mac is a 2008 MBP, 4gb, 2.4 ghz, intel core 2 duo, 10.6.8. My friends is a 2011 MBP, not sure what its internals are. My MBP sometimes has nothing else opened and I first click on logos and I encounter all these things.
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- 3.2GHz quad-core Intel Core i5
- Turbo Boost up to 3.6GHz
- 8GB (two 4GB) memory, capable of 32GB
- 1TB hard drive
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 675MX with 1GB
Logos 4 opened much faster.
I think most users have reported L5 being faster, but not all.
My mac is a 2008 MBP, 4gb, 2.4 ghz, intel core 2 duo, 10.6.8.
Your computer is certainly an outlier. I am complaining about my 2011 MBP… (but L5 IS running faster for me than L4). Out of curiosity… what does your HD free space look like?
I check and it is in "paper" mode but looks white.
I also have mine set to paper. NOTE: this effects the resources only… other boxes & panels are still white.
Then doing a biblical word search seems to take forever. Am I doing that incorrect?
Can you give an example?
In my friends accordance, his macbook pro gets the results faster than google
I have not used accordance, but others sing its praises for language work. Since I massacre the english language, I try to stay away from those as much as I can… However, is it really fair to compare your friends MBP (which is 3 years newer)? [;)]
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"what does your HD free space look like?"
Well that is a good question. Capacity is 199.71 GB, used is 164.8 GB on disk, available is 34.9 GB; so this may be a big reason. Does it really matter that much? I have been looking into a iMac 27inch screen it seems to be capable of 32 gb memory, so the genius told me. Then empty my 2008 MBP and use as my mobile computer.
2013 iMac 27inch
"is it really fair to compare your friends MBP (which is 3 years newer)?" No you may have a point there, but what I am saying is my friends MBP, while newer than mine, is really slow in L5, and accordance is just rippin fast. I really can't believe it can be that fast. He has vm ware fusing running in the background, itunes open, google chrome open, word, ppt, etc, etc, and accordance just fast.
Dear Rev. I own Accordance and Logos. Comparing the two is just futile.
Accordance is, as you say " ripping fast " and is so at everything.
Accordance is based on Apple technology , started there, grew up there and makes use of software and hardware on Macs.
Unfortunately the library is pretty limited. If you are doing primarily exegetical work, it's fine, all the tools you need. But if you look at a lot of resources, history etc, they just don't have access to those licenses.
Logos is a huge library, the Mac version is still based in Windows technologies and thus, is slower, much slower.
Large libraries take more time to go through, if in person or, by computer, just does.
The primary thing you are running into those is the bottlenecks created by the interface used to bridge between Windows code an Mac code. It is what it is.
I use Logos as my library system and Accordance as my Exegetical tools and it's a pretty happy mix that way. Hope this helps.
Dear Rev. I own Accordance and Logos. Comparing the two is just futile.
Accordance is, as you say " ripping fast " and is so at everything.
Accordance is based on Apple technology , started there, grew up there and makes use of software and hardware on Macs.
Unfortunately the library is pretty limited. If you are doing primarily exegetical work, it's fine, all the tools you need. But if you look at a lot of resources, history etc, they just don't have access to those licenses.
Logos is a huge library, the Mac version is still based in Windows technologies and thus, is slower, much slower.
Large libraries take more time to go through, if in person or, by computer, just does.
The primary thing you are running into those is the bottlenecks created by the interface used to bridge between Windows code an Mac code. It is what it is.
I use Logos as my library system and Accordance as my Exegetical tools and it's a pretty happy mix that way. Hope this helps.
Yes this does help. Thank you to all of your responses. If this is the case, why does Logos not a true Mac version? I don't get it? As I said earlier as you do so my friend does also, use Accordance with Logos. The thing is I am considering this but yet I'm not sure its worth it because I have all the exegetical tools I could ever need on Logos5 but the speed is so, so, so annoying. I think I'm not alone in saying I paid for the upgrade, whether it was steep or reasonable is relative according to each his own. I already had platinum and could not afford diamond so went with Gold. I love Logos, I like the way Accordance looks too, but Accordance seems so much more steeper in price for what you get and bibleworks is not even on radar screen. Conditional if, but "If" Logos was not as you say based on Windows technology, and based on Apple Tech, this would be the ultimate piece. What else would you need. At this point I think I rather save my money for an iMac 27in at home, then purchase Accordance for exegetical purposes, then see how L5 operates on there. If its the same outcome then I will be frustrated. When I find myself going to google for quick word searches and getting quicker responses there then on Logos, I sort of feel like... Well enough said. I would just like some more stability and speed. I may be preaching to the choir. I guess with L5 the salesmen made it seem like I was going to be in the new jerusalem.Dear Rev. I own Accordance and Logos. Comparing the two is just futile.
Accordance is, as you say " ripping fast " and is so at everything.
Accordance is based on Apple technology , started there, grew up there and makes use of software and hardware on Macs.
Unfortunately the library is pretty limited. If you are doing primarily exegetical work, it's fine, all the tools you need. But if you look at a lot of resources, history etc, they just don't have access to those licenses.
Logos is a huge library, the Mac version is still based in Windows technologies and thus, is slower, much slower.
Large libraries take more time to go through, if in person or, by computer, just does.
The primary thing you are running into those is the bottlenecks created by the interface used to bridge between Windows code an Mac code. It is what it is.
I use Logos as my library system and Accordance as my Exegetical tools and it's a pretty happy mix that way. Hope this helps.
Logos is a Mac application with, unfortunately, 'feet of clay' or, put another way, a dark secret. Meaning the user interface is a Mac application, and is coded with Mac tools but underneath, the part that interfaces with book data on disk, it uses Windows technology. And not just that, for Mac users it means to run this (ugh) Windows code there has to be an 'emulation layer' called 'Mono' running so the Windows code runs on your Mac. If you look inside the Logos 5 application (Applications | Select Logos 5 | Right click and choose 'Show Package Contents' and then navigate in Finder to Contents >> MacOS >> lib the 'dark secret' will be revealed.
Certain persons don't like me pointing this out, in fact I was made fun of by none other than the big boss a few years ago, but I think Logos should just come clean in this area and tell customers up front that that is how they have a cross platform product. This is the downside, the plus with Logos 5 being cross platform is that the installed base is much larger and therefore we get other benefits like bigger libraries.
If one understands the (cough) limitations of Logos 5 running on the Mac being held back by Windows pollution, for example also it is not a 64 bit application, even running on Mountain Lion, also, compared to other big apps like Safari & Photoshop, it seems it does not take advantage of virtual memory, and one does what is possible to get around those limitations then the performance can be reasonable.
Get a modern fast Mac with a fast processor if possible, a 2008 MacBook is holding you back. Get as much RAM as you can afford, any OS, any system and application benefits from having RAM to spare.
Many people have found running Logos on an SSD improves things as that makes accessing data off the disk much faster.
Finally we can hope and trust that Logos continues to improve Logos for Mac and to minimise the impact of having extra baggage like Mono running.
"I want to know all God's thoughts; the rest are just details." - Albert Einstein
Capacity is 199.71 GB, used is 164.8 GB on disk, available is 34.9 GB; so this may be a big reason. Does it really matter that much?
Does it really matter much? Yes. Traditional hard drives can really slow down when they get full. Personally, I think "half full" is a good target for the high end.
I have been looking into a iMac 27inch screen
The specs look good… but the absolute best performance will be found by using a solid state drive (SSD). One option is to look into a "fusion drive" from Apple. This combines a traditional hard drive (for storage capacity) with an SSD for speed.
Fr. Charles is a good source of info between the two systems on the Mac platform. [Y]
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For me on my Mid 2010 i7 MacBook Pro 15" I found that L5 to be much more stable and a bit faster.
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Rev. 14:6">Capacity is 199.71 GB, used is 164.8 GB on disk, available is 34.9 GB; so this may be a big reason. Does it really matter that much?Does it really matter much? Yes. Traditional hard drives can really slow down when they get full. Personally, I think "half full" is a good target for the high end.
Blog has graph showing hard disk transfer speed degradation as disk physically fills up => http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-fast-is-linux-sata-hard-disk.html
For longer battery life, Apple uses 5400 RPM hard drives. Upgrading to 7200 RPM can be up to 30 % faster, albeit usable time on battery decreases.
Concur Solid State Disk (SSD) is noticeably faster for Logos 5 on Mac and PC.
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Quick question - has Logos 5 completely finished indexing? The program can be very sluggish while indexing. You should have an icon in your menu bar that will show you when Logos is downloading and indexing.
2015 13" MacBook Pro - 2 Ghz Intel i7 - 16 GB RAM - 500GB SSD - 2018 iMac Pro - 3.2GHz 8-core Xeon - both systems running OS 10.14.3 (Mojave)
Good point! [:)]
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I do notice when it is indexing on the top, I see the blue icon, but every time this is not the case and when I go to shut it down there is nothing being indexed on the toolbar. When I go to shut down I get a grey box saying that it is synchronizing and then the option to exit now. I click that and nothing happens. I go to the dock and have to force quit. I never had that with L4.
I have had this a few times, but there are some other users who are reporting the same thing is happening more frequently for them. You might want to try and clear your history and see if that helps.
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