Phil Gons said:

We'll be pulling all Moody-owned titles off Logos.com (not Vyrso.com) later today or tomorrow. We're not treating this as temporary. It's unlikely that they will be coming back in the future.

After you posted this I made my final purchase of Moody titles. Let me recommend to anyone contemplating a big Moody purchase today to call sales immediately and see if they can give you any discounts.  [:D] They did not disappoint me.

alabama24 said:

Ugh. I wonder if I can retroactively get one. 

Double Ugh. No.   I placed two orders today. The first without Sales help. Hence; no discount. The second order with help from Sales, including a discount. No retroactive discounts. I feel your pain.

Jonathan said:

Phil Gons said:

We've reached a decision with Moody. We'll be pulling all Moody-owned titles off Logos.com (not Vyrso.com) later today or tomorrow. We're not treating this as temporary. It's unlikely that they will be coming back in the future.

I am guessing this applies to the prepub for "Luke 6-10: MacArthur New Testament Commentary." What a disappointment.

Grandfather clause for those who placed a pre-pub order?

Jonathan said:

I am guessing this applies to the prepub for "Luke 6-10: MacArthur New Testament Commentary." What a disappointment.

If Moody keeps selling John MacArthur in Libronix format through eNelson maybe, just maybe, the Luke 6-10 volume will be offered in their store someday....  just hoping.

Metamorphosed is correct I believe.

David Kirk Davis said:

just ordered 

I think you will be happy you made the decision. Good list of titles. They will all be gone sometime tomorrow .

Can we petition Moody Publishers to move all their books to Vyrso?  They have a lot of good stuff already over there.  

The thing that bothers me is that they have removed their publications from this particular Bible software program, but have left them in this particular ebook publisher.

Which would suggest that they plan on putting their resources in an exclusive Bible software program (likely LifeWay). But at the same time if you look at their required textbooks for their degrees, Logos 5 is mentioned over and over again.

Seems odd...

Paul Golder said:

The thing that bothers me is that they have removed their publications from this particular Bible software program, but have left them in this particular ebook publisher.

Which would suggest that they plan on putting their resources in an exclusive Bible software program (likely LifeWay). But at the same time if you look at their required textbooks for their degrees, Logos 5 is mentioned over and over again.

I don't think that's the case at all, although I have no inside knowledge. Kent said that the contract is up for renewal and the terms for renewal can't yet be agreed. I hope it's just brinkmanship from both Logos and Moody, with Moody holding out for a higher percentage of ''royalties', and Logos not wanting to offer more than it has to, in order to keep costs down for us.

If there was a plan to permanently remove Moody from Logos, I think there would have been a big 'closing down sale', rather than just a note of the forums. The way that this has been rushed suggests that everyone was hoping a deal might be agreed, but it's just not happened yet.

Paul Golder said:

The thing that bothers me is that they have removed their publications from this particular Bible software program, but have left them in this particular ebook publisher.

Which would suggest that they plan on putting their resources in an exclusive Bible software program (likely LifeWay). But at the same time if you look at their required textbooks for their degrees, Logos 5 is mentioned over and over again.

Seems odd...

i received my m. Div. From moody, and the vast majority of our required texts were not from Moody publishers, so while it may be strange that the publishing division of moody is no longer going take their works available on logos, that does not mean the profs don't like logos and can't continue to encourage and even require it. The goal was never that all our textbooks would be available electronically, but that we would be able to effectively use electronic tools And resources in the exegetical process. I graduated 5.5 years ago, they may feel differently now, and it certainly is possible that a lot could change over the summer semester, but I would be very surprised if the change at moody publishers would have much of an impact at the seminary.

This is a very bad precedent.  If Logos loses other major publishers, it will certainly devalue the entire platform.  Publishers now have many attractive options for e-book distribution, albeit without Logos' powerful tagging and search features.  I pray that Logos and Moody will revisit this and come up with a workable solution for the sake of the Kingdom.

Tony Thomas said:

This is a very bad precedent.  If Logos loses other major publishers, it will certainly devalue the entire platform.  Publishers now have many attractive options for e-book distribution, albeit without Logos' powerful tagging and search features.  I pray that Logos and Moody will revisit this and come up with a workable solution for the sake of the Kingdom.

Moody isn't a major player in the market, at least not in the academic field.  For the sake of others who appreciate their publications I would hope this eventually works out, but as far as I'm concerned it makes little or no difference.  And yes, it's all about money.  I understand Moody substantially raised their demands on royalties.

Rather than editing my post I will post a separate follow-up so that all interested parties will receive a copy.

It would appear that Moody is being penny-wise and pound-foolish.  They appear to have previously been satisfied with the royalties they were receiving and might have expected some increase in their amount, but rather than being satisfied with a normal increase it appears that they were demanding an exorbitant increase.  They appear to have never heard that half a loaf is better than no loaf at all.

Tony Thomas said:

Publishers now have many attractive options for e-book distribution, albeit without Logos' powerful tagging and search features.

How beneficial is tagging to Moody books? You can find a copy of E.V. Hill's "A Savior Worth Having" on Logos for $17.99 and on Vyrso for $6.82. I guess the only difference is one is hardback and the other paperback. [:P] How upset would you be to see all the Moody books show up in Vyrso at half the price we just bought them for?

Paul Golder said:

Now this is interesting, a 2008 quote from Greg Thornton, Moody Publishers writing on electronic resources:

"A starting point is simply licensing your content to software/digital producers like Logos and
Olive Tree (their software now runs on Palm and Pocket PC, iPod, BlackBerry and more).
Better is to begin developing your own digital warehouse."

(emphasis added)

Looks like we're going to get the Betamax / VHS race in digital Bible resources too. [:O]

Paul Golder said:

Better is to begin developing your own digital warehouse."

Like Pradis?

Super Tramp said:

George Somsel said:

Moody isn't a major player in the market, at least not in the academic field.

Agreed.

• There are presently 10,725 products (not volumes) listed on Logos.com.
• Moody has 275 products listed today.
• Moody's listings comprise one/thirty-ninth of the total listings or 2.6%.
• Logos lists 20 publishers (including Moody)
• Moody will continue selling ebooks in Vyrso.

I think it is premature to order the casket for Logos.

Absolutely.  There are 320 resources which show up in Logos when executing a search "&publisher=Eerdmans."  While that isn't significantly more than for Moody (e.g., double), it would be a much greater loss if they were to lose Eerdmans since they publish higher quality works.

Dean053 said:

Is Moody really that important for most Logos users?

Not for me

Paul Golder said:

I think that personal importance isn't the main issue. If Logos is going to continue as the premier Bible software program they must have a well rounded collection of works available from all the major Christian publishers. 

Just opinion...

Tony Thomas said:

It is a slippery slope.  If one publisher departs, others may follow.  Let's hope that isn't the case.

The whole e-pub business is evolving quickly.  There are many players in the field now.  And when publishers have other options, they may exercise them.  

...and they may choke on their own stupidity. I won't ever buy another title from Moody. Like I said early on...almost everything I have from them was part of a base package. They should be thanking Logos profusely for every penny that got from me...they sure wouldn't have gotten them otherwise.