Queen Mother: A Biblical Theology of Mary’s Queenship
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Peace, George! Firstly, I plan to buy this resource very soon ...... Just haven't gotten around to it with "busyness" as per usual ............. *smile*
Second - Thanks for the "citation" code. Logos is getting pretty "clever" with the previews, eh???? It takes me to Logos.com shows me the contents and preview and shares very gently and encouragingly that I can buy the book ... Still smiling!
I got it on pre-pub, but with or without the discount, it's a pretty inexpensive resource.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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fgh said:alabama24 said:
Some users can get really mad when they think an offer isn't extended to them.
Maybe my memory is on vacation, but I have a hard time remembering such posts.
Trust me. [:#] Some people are anti anything to do with sales or "gimmicks." Everyone should get the lowest price possible, all the time. Always. Heck, why not make everything free. All the time.
A large retailer made a switch to a "fair price" model last year (lower overall prices, not many "sales" or "door busters"), and my wife was up in arms. I personally like the "fair price" model, but sales and gimmicks DO bring customers in and they often purchase MORE than without them.
Bruce Dunning said:I'm not sure I agree with you. I think mentioning the fact that discounts are available is a motivation for people to join the mailing lists.
That is ok. I didn't mean to imply that YOU shouldn't, but rather I wouldn't. [;)]
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alabama24 said:
That is ok. I didn't mean to imply that YOU shouldn't, but rather I wouldn't.
Thanks for the clarification! It is so difficult to communicate intent and emotions on the forum and the little icons are really very limited. It is too bad the program does automatically supply more.
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Thank you.George Somsel said:Done (It's in the TOC)
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Bam Bam said:
A large retailer made a switch to a "fair price" model last year (lower overall prices, not many "sales" or "door busters"), and my wife was up in arms. I personally like the "fair price" model, but sales and gimmicks DO bring customers in and they often purchase MORE than without them.
I assume you're referring to JC Penny. That didn't work out too well for them. As a result their CEO got a ticket out the door.
george
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Sleiman said:
I understand that the more general topic of Mary in the OT (not only the queen mother theme) may not be as interesting to you; but because I personally find it fascinating and others might as well, I'm going to share a few more recommendations for checking this out.NB.Mick said:whereas I'm not personally convinced of the relevance of the OT queen mother we're to get in the resource this thread is about.
Don't get me wrong, I am interested in the general topic of Mary, especially since it is one of the unfortunate things which strongly separate the denominations (probably more the praxis than the dogmatic - e.g. I understand the theological arguments offered by RC brothers and sisters that the rosary really is about Jesus, but it's something different listening to half an hour of repetition on a Catholic radio station). There surely is some Catholic overboarding but on the other hand there's a practical neglect of Mary in evangelical spirituality - which both could only win from a proper understanding grounded in biblical exegesis and the understanding of the Early Church Fathers (and even the Reformers).
One of these days I plan to make a Mariology collection for my library. Looking through some initial candidates I found that http://www.logos.com/product/20889/catholic-for-a-reason-collection#002 has a chapter by Sri on the Queen Mother topic ( http://biblia.com/books/catholicreasonii/Page.p_69 ), albeit in a much more casual writing than his PhD thesis we're talking about.
Have joy in the Lord!
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George Somsel said:
I assume you're referring to JC Penny. That didn't work out too well for them. As a result their CEO got a ticket out the door.
Yep. I personally liked the changes… It was quite unfair to Ron Johnson, who said it would be a 3 year fix. He was booted less than 2 years into it.
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alabama24 said:George Somsel said:
I assume you're referring to JC Penny. That didn't work out too well for them. As a result their CEO got a ticket out the door.
Yep. I personally liked the changes… It was quite unfair to Ron Johnson, who said it would be a 3 year fix. He was booted less than 2 years into it.
The trouble is that with a catastrophic 25% yoy drop in sales, they are burning cash way too fast. And there is so little margin for error in retail nowadays that these kinds of mistakes can be unrecoverable. Johnson had some interesting ideas, but he underestimated the time it would take to have realistic shot at pulling it off.
And just to keep this thread on track, I like Mary a whole lot!
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After reading the paragraph about Is 7, I agree with you that the treatment does not provide proof or evidence. I don't think that was the intent however. The argument presented is still plausible and coherent regardless.George Somsel said:In regard to Is 7 it is assumed that the עלמה was the queen mother though there is virtually no evidence for that.
I may get fire back for posting the following, but please bear with me. It goes without saying of course, to understand the many Catholic Marian dogmas, one needs to (at least for the sake of reducing the confusion) step out of the paradigm of expectation that everything should be explicit in scripture alone, and allow for the historical aspect to help (tradition of interpretation and prayer in the church). Anglicans, as far as I know, like Catholics, believe that God speaks through the Church, the councils, holy tradition, nature, reason etc. Have I got that wrong? And as MJ reminds us once every while, lex orandi lex credendi. [:)]
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No worries NB> I quite respect your posts and education as I respect those of most of this forum's regular posters, especially the MVPs. I really do and I learn a lot from reading the forum, either regarding the use of Logos itself, the variety of perspectives, or the value of certain resources and books etc.NB.Mick said:Don't get me wrong,
I just used your post as an excuse for my suggestions for further reading! [;)]
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Sogol said:
And just to keep this thread on track, I like Mary a whole lot!
That made me laugh out loud! [:D]
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Thank you for askingNB.Mick said:any suggestions of titles for a mariology collection?
Here's a good starting list, I think:
In Logos:
- Papal encyclicals related to Mary - The Papal Encyclicals: 1740–1981 (5 vols.) and Encyclicals of Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI (34 vols.)
- St. Louis de Montfort Collection (4 vols.)
- The Glories of Mary by St. Alphonsus Liguori
- Daughter Zion by Joseph Ratzinger
- Mary: The Church at the Source by Ratzinger and Von Balthasar
Outside of Logos:
- Mary Through the Centuries: Her Place in the History of Culture by Jeroslav Pelikan
- The two Books recommended by Fr Devin are both really excellent
- Hail Holy Queen by Scott Hahn
- Mary Mother of the Son by Mark Shea
- The Orthodox Veneration of Mary The Birthgiver of God by (St.) John Maximovitch and Fr. Seraphim Rose.
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Sleiman said:
Thank you for askingNB.Mick said:any suggestions of titles for a mariology collection?
Here's a good starting list, I think:
In Logos:
- Papal encyclicals related to Mary - The Papal Encyclicals: 1740–1981 (5 vols.) and Encyclicals of Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI (34 vols.)
- St. Louis de Montfort Collection (4 vols.)
- The Glories of Mary by St. Alphonsus Liguori
- Daughter Zion by Joseph Ratzinger
- Mary: The Church at the Source by Ratzinger and Von Balthasar
It seems nearly all of those are prePubs i.e. not currently available.
I started with subject:(mariology, mary) OR abbrev:ccc OR title:"Vatican II" (this will give the above Catholic for a Reason, Redemptoris Mater, "Mary for all Christians" and " 'The Catholic Mary' Quite Contrary to the Bible?", Pohle/Preuss on Mariology plus Frisk's advent devotional) and I added Spe Salvi, Ecclesia de Eucharistia, "Aquinas on Doctrine" and for good measure http://www.logos.com/product/17810/wea-theological-resource-library-version-3#011 (evangelical critique of catholicism which has a chapter on Mariology, also to be found in ERT Vol 10 No 4/86) and Geisler's "Roman Catholics and Evangelicals: Agreements and Differences" (Mariology features under differences...)
Have joy in the Lord!
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Replying to myself for the sake of those who read the forum through a CSS feed/email:
Update after checking some more search results:
my suggested rule is:
subject:(mariology, mary) OR abbrev:ccc OR title:("Vatican II", "credo for today", "Aquinas on Doctrine", "ecclesia de eucharistia", "spe salvi", "a contemporary evangelical perspective on Roman catholicism", "Roman catholics and evangelicals", "more biblical evidence for catholicism")
where the titles mentioned individually contain a substantial chapter on mariology. Suggestions for further updates are welcome.
btw: MJ. Smith has created a Reading List from the resources and weblinks mentioned early in this thread. Thanks a lot!
Have joy in the Lord!
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Okay folks ... now please go to the Reading Lists (under Tools) and search for Mary. You will see the results of this thread.
To update, go to http://topics.logos.com/Mary
Yes, I never give up pushing the power of the reading lists. Note we still need entries under Orthodox, Reformation and some high quality refutations of the Mariology theology.
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NB.Mick said:
btw: MJ. Smith has created a Reading List from the resources and weblinks mentioned early in this thread. Thanks a lot!
You're fast ... you either found it while I was building it or before i could get my notice out.
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NB.Mick said:
Replying to myself for the sake of those who read the forum through a CSS feed/email:
Update after checking some more search results:
my suggested rule is:
subject:(mariology, mary) OR abbrev:ccc OR title:("Vatican II", "credo for today", "Aquinas on Doctrine", "ecclesia de eucharistia", "spe salvi", "a contemporary evangelical perspective on Roman catholicism", "Roman catholics and evangelicals", "more biblical evidence for catholicism")
where the titles mentioned individually contain a substantial chapter on mariology. Suggestions for further updates are welcome.
btw: MJ. Smith has created a Reading List from the resources and weblinks mentioned early in this thread. Thanks a lot!
Peace, Mick! *smile* I appreciate you for many reasons! Indeed! The latest reason being the excellent "rules" for a collection you shared in this post! I really didn't think it would show up much relevant material for me; but "lo and behold"! ....
.............. It showed 20 resources in my library on my title: Mariology !!!
Thank you!
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MJ. Smith said:NB.Mick said:
btw: MJ. Smith has created a Reading List from the resources and weblinks mentioned early in this thread. Thanks a lot!
You're fast ... you either found it while I was building it or before i could get my notice out.
Actually in building my collection I was checking whether there was a reading list on Mariology /Mary to make sure I don't overlook a resource in my library. However I think the churchmouse blog articles are not the level of scholarship we find in the other referenced sources (or in WEA or Geisler). Do you need logosres: links for the respective chapters?Have joy in the Lord!
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MJ. Smith said:
Okay folks ... now please go to the Reading Lists (under Tools) and search for Mary. You will see the results of this thread.
To update, go to http://topics.logos.com/Mary
Yes, I never give up pushing the power of the reading lists. Note we still need entries under Orthodox, Reformation and some high quality refutations of the Mariology theology.
Thanks M.J. I've never used reading lists but the potential looks great. How do you practically use them?
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MJ. Smith said:
Okay folks ... now please go to the Reading Lists (under Tools) and search for Mary. You will see the results of this thread.
To update, go to http://topics.logos.com/Mary
Yes, I never give up pushing the power of the reading lists. Note we still need entries under Orthodox, Reformation and some high quality refutations of the Mariology theology.
Thanks MJ,
I think this will be very helpful.
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Thanks so much, Martha! The amount of effort and work you do for your Sisters and Brothers on the Logos Forums is amazing!Philana Crouch said:MJ. Smith said:Okay folks ... now please go to the Reading Lists (under Tools) and search for Mary. You will see the results of this thread.
To update, go to http://topics.logos.com/Mary
Yes, I never give up pushing the power of the reading lists. Note we still need entries under Orthodox, Reformation and some high quality refutations of the Mariology theology.
Thanks MJ,
I think this will be very helpful.
And very much appreciated! *smile*
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NB.Mick said:
However I think the churchmouse blog articles are not the level of scholarship we find in the other referenced sources (or in WEA or Geisler).
I agree. However, on a list of this sort I think it is important not to censor - if I reference the thread, I feel obligated to include everything I can from the thread unless it is outright abusive or promoting violence. I believe that the poster of the references finds them useful and that other Logos users will agree.
NB.Mick said:Do you need logosres: links for the respective chapters?
If they are not in my personal library what I need is the reading list "url" when the open resource is opened at the chapter:
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Bruce Dunning said:
How do you practically use them?
When you open them within Logos, you can mark items as read as you read them (and click to open the resource to the correct location as per line) and you can add new items to them as you find new items you'd like to read.
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I've added some links to the Church Fathers (Protestant edition) and a couple of Orthodox web articles
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I have added the link to Luther's exposition of the Magnificat, as well as some passages from the Tappert Book of Concord (unfortunately it seems that datatype links do no work in reading lists) In addition I added links to some of Dr. Robert Bertram's essays for the Lutheran/Roman Catholic dialogue in the USA.
I do wonder how much I should include that is not in Logos or easy web links, however.
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Ken McGuire said:
I have added the link to Luther's exposition of the Magnificat, as well as
First of all, thank you guys for the effort you've put into this. The reading list is a wonderful fruit of this discussion! I want to thank Bruce for posting his question in the OP, Bill for his posts that probably stimulated many of us with the reading suggestions, the wonderful manner and approach by the posters to turn the thread from the dangers (and temptations) of heated theological debates to a friendly cooperation for more education, and finally Martha, Ken, and NBMick for their valuable contributions to the reading list.NB.Mick said:
I put in the corresponding RC edition, and Geisler and the WEA article (and made the backlink to this thread visible).MJ. Smith said:I've added some links to the Church Fathers (Protestant edition) and a couple of Orthodox web articles
This all motivates me to contribute myself as well! I have however been busy racing to file my tax returns minutes before deadline yesterday, and today I've been too busy at work so far. I wanted to list the Marian-specific encyclicals and the Catholic church's documents on Mary separately. There's a great Wikipedia entry that lists specific Mairan encyclicals and I wanted to convert those to logos links in the reading list. There's also a series of articles on Wikipedia on Catholic Mariology, another on Mariology in general, both can even serve as sub-lists in the reading list. But right now time is my enemy. I will try to tackle this when I get home tonight or the next couple of days, if nobody beats me to it.
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Ken McGuire said:
I do wonder how much I should include that is not in Logos or easy web links, however.
My personal feeling is that entering non-Logos materials is a way to give them visibility and increase demand for them. Therefore, I go by "should this be in Logos" in the best of all possible worlds?[:D]
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Sleiman said:
This all motivates me to contribute myself as well! I have however been busy racing to file my tax returns minutes before deadline yesterday, and today I've been too busy at work so far. I wanted to list the Marian-specific encyclicals and the Catholic church's documents on Mary separately.
This is exactly what reading lists should do. The nice thing is that it can continue to be updated anytime someone finds a worthy article ... it will show up as unread in all users' Logos app. In addition thing that show as locked because you don't own them will automatically show as unread it you purchase the item.
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