What about an Eastern Orthodox package (similar to Verbum)?
Is anything like this being discussed?
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I'm not sure if the demand for an Eastern Orthodox package is there, but I might be interested in Eastern Orthodox resources. What sort of Eastern Orthodox resources did you have in mind?
I would like the Patriarchal Orthodox Greek Text in Logos, for one.
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I think its too early in the cycle for an Orthodox (Byzantine) package to be under consideration. If the partnership with St. Vladimir's goes smoothly (first product under development), then some of the other Orthodox Presses might be inclined to partner with Logos as well. Add the completion of the 2 or 3 Bibles currently being translated and the basis for such a package would be in place.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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PATr needs to be in Logos, hands down. It's the authoritative Greek New Testament for Byzantine Christians, and the electronic edition is already tagged with morphology and available on Kindle but needs to be in Logos so I can use it with my other resources.
Many Patristic resources are already in Logos but could be bundled into this package. I suspect more will rapidly be translated and become available as more and more Protestants seem to be taking an interest in the Fathers (and will thus create a market for them). The Chrysostom bible commentary series from OCABS would be an essential (in fact lots from OCABS would be good). Getting the IVP ACCS commentary to become available again would also be good (I know it can be bought from IVP separately, but not through the Logos store).
The popular Patristics series from SVS will be good (I believe I pre-ordered it). Also many would probably want the OSB (but I could take it or leave it). Some additional resources that would be essential are:
- The Philokalia (numerous volumes and translations)
- Schmemann books (Great Lent, For the Life of the World, etc.)
- Jaroslav Pelikan's 5-volume book on the historical development of doctrine
- Pelikan's book on the Christian encounter with Hellenism
- Mystical Theology by Lossky
- Lectionaries, prayer books (Horologion), Divine Liturgy resources (Heavenly Banquet by Hatzidakis)
- Works by Zizioulas
- Canons (tons here)
- Dogmatic books by various theologians (Nafpaktos, Staniloae, Pomazansky, etc.)
- Works by Kalamiros, Romanides, Florovsky, Kallistos Ware, McGuckin, Bulgakov, Meyendorff, DB Hart, etc.
- Works involving dialogue between Orthodox and other groups (Augustana Graeca, etc.)
This would be a substantial Eastern Orthodox library.
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For those of you who haven't yet found out, there is now an Orthodox suggestion at Logos' new Uservoice site for prepubs: Add more Orthodox works, and also one for Patristics: Add more Patristic works. Please go add your votes. And then add the remainder of your votes to other suggestions -- preferably mine.
(There is also a new Uservoice site for CP's, with another ten new votes for you to spend: http://communitypricing.uservoice.com/forums/183260-general/filters/top.)
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Logos has now hired a product manager for Orthodox (and Lutheran and Reformed) resources, Gabe Martini:
http://community.logos.com/forums/p/60311/475613.aspx#475613
So look forward to the above and more needs being addressed in the hopefully near future.
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Peace, Rosie! *smile* And, Every Blessing!Rosie Perera said:Logos has now hired a product manager for Orthodox (and Lutheran and Reformed) resources, Gabe Martini:
http://community.logos.com/forums/p/60311/475613.aspx#475613
So look forward to the above and more needs being addressed in the hopefully near future.
Yes, I've seen a number of posts re. Gabe; and I'm quite pleased! However, Rosie, I haven't seen anywhere but your post his being a product manager for Lutheran (me! -- *smile*) AND reformed ???? eh???
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Yes, I've seen a number of posts re. Gabe; and I'm quite pleased! However, Rosie, I haven't seen anywhere but your post his being a product manager for Lutheran (me! -- *smile*) AND reformed ???? eh???
It is true! I'm a multi-tasker.
A standalone Orthodox product would be interesting. Right now, my focus is to get as many Orthodox resources as possible. With your support (in CP and Pre-Pub), the sky's the limit!
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Dan O'Day said:
PATr needs to be in Logos, hands down. It's the authoritative Greek New Testament for Byzantine Christians, and the electronic edition is already tagged with morphology and available on Kindle but needs to be in Logos so I can use it with my other resources.
Many Patristic resources are already in Logos but could be bundled into this package. I suspect more will rapidly be translated and become available as more and more Protestants seem to be taking an interest in the Fathers (and will thus create a market for them). The Chrysostom bible commentary series from OCABS would be an essential (in fact lots from OCABS would be good). Getting the IVP ACCS commentary to become available again would also be good (I know it can be bought from IVP separately, but not through the Logos store).
The popular Patristics series from SVS will be good (I believe I pre-ordered it). Also many would probably want the OSB (but I could take it or leave it). Some additional resources that would be essential are:
- The Philokalia (numerous volumes and translations)
- Schmemann books (Great Lent, For the Life of the World, etc.)
- Jaroslav Pelikan's 5-volume book on the historical development of doctrine
- Pelikan's book on the Christian encounter with Hellenism
- Mystical Theology by Lossky
- Lectionaries, prayer books (Horologion), Divine Liturgy resources (Heavenly Banquet by Hatzidakis)
- Works by Zizioulas
- Canons (tons here)
- Dogmatic books by various theologians (Nafpaktos, Staniloae, Pomazansky, etc.)
- Works by Kalamiros, Romanides, Florovsky, Kallistos Ware, McGuckin, Bulgakov, Meyendorff, DB Hart, etc.
- Works involving dialogue between Orthodox and other groups (Augustana Graeca, etc.)
This would be a substantial Eastern Orthodox library.
Great suggestions. Thank you! [:)]
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Yes, I've seen a number of posts re. Gabe; and I'm quite pleased! However, Rosie, I haven't seen anywhere but your post his being a product manager for Lutheran (me! -- *smile*) AND reformed ???? eh???
Milford, I saw it in his forum profile, but it has not been mentioned in the forums per se (except his confirmation above that he's a multi-tasker).
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Great information! Thanks, Rosie! Blessings and Strength for the day!
*smile*
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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For those interested in works on the canons (some of you mentioned this above), we have added The Rudder as a two volume collection (in both Greek and English) to Community Pricing.
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Peace to you, Gabe! Thank you! *smile* I'm in!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Thank You Br Gabe! I have now put in my bid for The Rudder.
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James W Bennett said:
Thank You Br Gabe! I have now put in my bid for The Rudder.
Sure thing! Keep your eyes peeled for more Orthodox works on both CP and Pre-Pub in the future. [<:o)]
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Dan O'Day said:
Works by (...) Florovsky
Collected Works of Fr. Georges Florovsky, Part 1 (4 vols.) (and it's on CP, not prepub!)
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fgh said:Dan O'Day said:
Works by (...) Florovsky
Collected Works of Fr. Georges Florovsky, Part 1 (4 vols.) (and it's on CP, not prepub!)
Not only does that link not seem to work but I get the message that Logos doesn't sell this. I'm not sure what is going on.
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Bruce Dunning said:
Not only does that link not seem to work but I get the message that Logos doesn't sell this. I'm not sure what is going on.
Apologies for any confusion. This went up before all rights research had been complete. We are working to resolve this and I'll keep you posted.
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Gabe Martini said:Bruce Dunning said:
Not only does that link not seem to work but I get the message that Logos doesn't sell this. I'm not sure what is going on.
Apologies for any confusion. This went up before all rights research had been complete. We are working to resolve this and I'll keep you posted.
Thanks for the clarification Gabe. Perhaps you are trying to whet our appetites.
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MJ. Smith said:
I think its too early in the cycle for an Orthodox (Byzantine) package to be under consideration.
It took two years from the manager being hired till Verbum came out. Shall we give the new added managers equal time?
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David Ames said:
It took two years from the manager being hired till Verbum came out. Shall we give the new added managers equal time?
We Orthodox tend to move slow, but I'll try not to be that slow.
Keep supporting Orthodox Logos resources, and everything will work out. [;)]
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Publish it (Orthodox resources) & they (Orthodox) will come ;-)
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Gabe Martini said:David Ames said:
It took two years from the manager being hired till Verbum came out. Shall we give the new added managers equal time?
We Orthodox tend to move slow, but I'll try not to be that slow.
Keep supporting Orthodox Logos resources, and everything will work out.
Things take time - We are talking about a complete set of packages: Yes, resources but also blogs, settings, collections, separate web sites ...
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I like the way you think, David!
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Gabe Martini said:
Apologies for any confusion. This went up before all rights research had been complete.
[:(]
David Ames said:It took two years from the manager being hired till Verbum came out.
More like 1,5. And the Catholic Library Builder took less than six months, I believe.
Gabe Martini said:Keep supporting Orthodox Logos resources, and everything will work out.
That's just the problem. I supported most Catholic resources, and as a result I lost a lot of money compared to if I'd ignored them in prepub and got them through Capstone instead. I'd love to support Orthodox resources, but I just can't afford to pay $10-50/volume for books that then show up in a package or bundle for $1-2/volume a year or two later. I can pretty much promise to buy the package, once you've got one, but I'm going to have to be far more restrictive with prepubs than I had the sense to be with Catholic ones.
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fgh said:David Ames said:
It took two years from the manager being hired till Verbum came out.
More like 1,5. And the Catholic Library Builder took less than six months, I believe.
The first post by Andrew Jones, the Catholic Products Manager, that I found was Jun 14, 2011; in it he said 'hello'.
Catholic Library builder was selling before Oct 26, 2011 - four months
Verbum Capstone was selling before Nov 6, 2012 - 17 months[I have got to stop estimating - I get caught every time - or maybe I was just giving the new managers more time?]
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You guys are killing me (financially) with all these works, most of which I have in print or have had at least.
I just ordered the Patriarchal New Testament which I have in print. Sigh, I couldn't resist, but I'm not telling my wife I ordered it. eeeeh.
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Ergatees said:
You guys are killing me (financially) with all these works, most of which I have in print or have had at least.
I just ordered the Patriarchal New Testament which I have in print. Sigh, I couldn't resist, but I'm not telling my wife I ordered it. eeeeh.
Ergatees
I appreciate your daring dedication. Keep watching for more Orthodox works today. [:)]
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Dan O'Day said:
PATr needs to be in Logos, hands down. It's the authoritative Greek New Testament for Byzantine Christians, and the electronic edition is already tagged with morphology and available on Kindle but needs to be in Logos so I can use it with my other resources.
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- Works by Zizioulas
At least for two of these, I have now delivered. [:)]
Now on Pre-Pub:
- The Eucharistic Communion and the World by John D. Zizioulas
- Patriarchal Greek New Testament (PATr) of 1904/1912 with morphological tagging
Others newly on CP (as of today):
- Confessions and Catechisms of the Orthodox Church (3 vols.)
- The Travels of Macarius, Patriarch of Antioch (2 vols.)
More to come! Thanks for being patient with me.
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Nice. He produced an Arabic translation of the 'book of the bee' (by a certain Nestorian bishop named Solomon); a liberal translation with possible additions, quite interesting stuff.Gabe Martini said:The Travels of Macarius, Patriarch of Antioch (2 vols.)
Not enough Arabic knowing customers in your current market demographic? well then, how about this translation of the 'book of the bee' to English then? Not Orthodox? I know, but eastern at least [:)]
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Sleiman said:
Nice. He produced an Arabic translation of the 'book of the bee' (by a certain Nestorian bishop named Solomon); a liberal translation with possible additions, quite interesting stuff.Gabe Martini said:The Travels of Macarius, Patriarch of Antioch (2 vols.)
Not enough Arabic knowing customers in your current market demographic? well then, how about this translation of the 'book of the bee' to English then? Not Orthodox? I know, but eastern at least
Consider it done.
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Awesome!Gabe Martini said:Consider it done.
Gabe, I love you [:D]. You're now officially competing with Andrew for the rank of 'my favourite logos guy'
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Sleiman said:
Indeed.
Gabe, have you seen this old thread: Suggestion: an Eastern Christian Studies Collection? It's got some suggestions you probably already have on your list and some you may not have, but what makes it unique is that it also includes a number of Eastern Rite Catholic suggestions. I hope you and Andrew can cooperate on making sure that area gets covered, and that it doesn't fall between the chairs. (I'm sure Sleiman hopes so even more.[:D])
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fgh said:Sleiman said:
Indeed.
Gabe, have you seen this old thread: Suggestion: an Eastern Christian Studies Collection? It's got some suggestions you probably already have on your list and some you may not have, but what makes it unique is that it also includes a number of Eastern Rite Catholic suggestions. I hope you and Andrew can cooperate on making sure that area gets covered, and that it doesn't fall between the chairs. (I'm sure Sleiman hopes so even more.
)Just from a quick glance, I can say that many of those are in the works or on their way. I'll check to make sure I have all of those on my master list.
In general, I will not be discriminating beween Byzantine Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental, Assyrian/Nestorian/Armenian, etc., but am looking to carry resources from all of these traditions "of the East."
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fgh said:Gabe, have you seen this old thread: Suggestion: an Eastern Christian Studies Collection? It's got some suggestions you probably already have on your list and some you may not have, but what makes it unique is that it also includes a number of Eastern Rite Catholic suggestions.
fgh, thanks for referring to that post, I haven't seen it before and I agree they are good suggestions. There are [many] other works that are as or more important/critical to eastern rite Catholics (of the different traditions: Byzantine, Syriac, etc). Many did not even make it to the English language yet. I'm so tempted to start a suggestion list now but will instead refrain for the time being and let the dust settle a little (if it ever will!).
Absolutely [:)]. It seems that the virtue of patience will pay off since a) Gabe seems to be enthusiastic enough to kick start a new wave of 'eastern' resources being made available (we just have to watch and see, right Gabe?) and b) If a lot of very attractive resources become available at the same time, it will be very hard for me to catch up with all the good stuff on pre-pub and CP, that I have to let some go; which would be sad. So I'm just going to play the wait and see game. However, if things start to look like some are 'falling between the chairs', you will definitely hear/see me say something about that [;)]fgh said:I hope you and Andrew can cooperate on making sure that area gets covered, and that it doesn't fall between the chairs. (I'm sure Sleiman hopes so even more.
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Gabe it would be appreciated if you can give us a hint whether there are plans to have eastern resources eventually conglomerate into bundles that are going to be discounted (like the Catholic Studies or Archaelogy bundles, not necessarily base packages or a full fledged Verbum equivalent) or is it too early to tell?0 -
Sleiman said:
Gabe it would be appreciated if you can give us a hint whether there are plans to have eastern resources eventually conglomerate into bundles that are going to be discounted (like the Catholic Studies or Archaelogy bundles, not necessarily base packages or a full fledged Verbum equivalent) or is it too early to tell?
That is our goal, but it all depends upon two factors:
- How well received are these early Orthodox works/collections by our current Logos users?
- Which Orthodox publishers are interested in partnering with Logos?
There are certain bundles or base packages for the Orthodox market that would depend upon us getting the right books from the right people. I'll continue to do my best to get everything of quality that's out there.
If you ever have any thoughts or suggestions, feel free to email me: gabe.martini@logos.com
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Thanks for the reply Gabe.
I was thinking about how I was convinced of the value of Logos (before Verbum was introduced). As a bible software, there are many others so that was not the deciding factor. For me the availability of Catholic resources did it for me. Essential to me at first were the Catechism, the Church Fathers and Council documents. (I'm still waiting on the GIRM and the breviary).
The following list of essentials for the Orthodox as well as the eastern Catholic rites is a start :
Liturgical books:
- Euchologion
- Horologion
- Oktoechos
- Common, monthly and feast day menaions
- The Lenten Triodion, the Pentecostarion, the Eirmologion, and the Typicon
Orthodox lectionary(ies)
Collected Akathists
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Gabe, you may want to edit your post and 'codify' your email so as spam robots do not pick it up.Gabe Martini said:If you ever have any thoughts or suggestions, feel free to email me:
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Sleiman said:
Thanks for the reply Gabe.
I was thinking about how I was convinced of the value of Logos (before Verbum was introduced). As a bible software, there are many others so that was not the deciding factor. For me the availability of Catholic resources did it for me. Essential to me at first were the Catechism, the Church Fathers and Council documents. (I'm still waiting on the GIRM and the breviary).
The following list of essentials for the Orthodox as well as the eastern Catholic rites is a start :
Liturgical books:
- Euchologion
- Horologion
- Oktoechos
- Common, monthly and feast day menaions
- The Lenten Triodion, the Pentecostarion, the Eirmologion, and the Typicon
Orthodox lectionary(ies)
Collected Akathists
You seem to be thinking exactly what I've been thinking all along. [;)]
There are a lot of hurdles when it comes to getting rights to these works (in English), but I'm working hard as I can to get all of these in the Logos ecosystem.
I can say that a few of these will be on CP in the near future.
Okay, no more secrets. Ya'll will just have to get back to guessing. (I said "ya'll," so now you know I'm from the south)
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Sleiman said:
Gabe, you may want to edit your post and 'codify' your email so as spam robots do not pick it up.Gabe Martini said:If you ever have any thoughts or suggestions, feel free to email me:
So that's why I just got a long email from someone named "David Ames?"
[;)]
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Gabe Martini said:
So that's why I just got a long email from someone named "David Ames?"
Sorry, did not think that it was that long.
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David Ames said:Gabe Martini said:
So that's why I just got a long email from someone named "David Ames?"
Sorry, did not think that it was that long.
I'm only joking. It was just fine, and much appreciated!
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Visions of monks in black, reading and chanting the daily prayers and liturgies, in cold, damp, ancient stone chapels, in dim light through clouds of incense smoke rising and hanging in the air around the readers stand, other monks holding burning candles giving off a faint light as the chanters/readers squint to read/chant their texts from the latest iPads or Android tablets.
Beautiful!
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Ergatees said:
Visions of monks in black, reading and chanting the daily prayers and liturgies, in cold, damp, ancient stone chapels, in dim light through clouds of incense smoke rising and hanging in the air around the readers stand, other monks holding burning candles giving off a faint light as the chanters/readers squint to read/chant their texts from the latest iPads or Android tablets.
Beautiful!
Ergatees
In about 300 years, maybe. [;)] Methinks until the ability to use paper is completely diminished, the Church will continue to use printed books for services, and especially for the Gospels, as that has deeper theological significance.
This topic (synthesis of modern technology and ancient tradition in the Orthodox Church) is actually something I'll be speaking on later this year on Ancient Faith Radio.
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Peace, Gabe! "Ancient Faith Radio"!!! Sounds interesting! Intriguing. Can you tell us more? *smile*Gabe Martini said:Ergatees said:Visions of monks ....
In about 300 years, maybe.
Methinks until the ability to use paper is completely diminished, the Church will continue to use printed books for services, and especially for the Gospels, as that has deeper theological significance......This topic (synthesis of modern technology and ancient tradition in the Orthodox Church) is actually something I'll be speaking on later this year on Ancient Faith Radio.
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Peace, Gabe! "Ancient Faith Radio"!!! Sounds interesting! Intriguing. Can you tell us more? *smile*
Here you go: www.ancientfaith.com
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Gabe Martini said:Milford Charles Murray said:
Peace, Gabe! "Ancient Faith Radio"!!! Sounds interesting! Intriguing. Can you tell us more? *smile*
Here you go: www.ancientfaith.com
Thank you, Gabe! Just went over to that site and took a peek! Quite fascinating! *smile* Will be spending more time there!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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recommending "ancientfaith.com" Ancient Faith Radio.
Excellent music to listen to when reading. I have downloaded to the iPad the pages so when I pull up the folder on Eastern Sources on the iPad, I can just click and get the music. The podcasts are great too.
As to 300 yrs: we have no idea what we will see in 100 yrs. We didn't have TV 100 yrs ago. Things are going forward so fast. Like saint Paul, I expect the Lord's return soon!
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Gabe Martini said:
In general, I will not be discriminating beween Byzantine Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental, Assyrian/Nestorian/Armenian, etc., but am looking to carry resources from all of these traditions "of the East."
I'm glad to hear that. http://www.logos.com/products/search?Christian+Group=Orthodox&start=0&sort=bestselling&pageSize=60 made me a bit worried in that respect.
Sleiman said:if things start to look like some are 'falling between the chairs', you will definitely hear/see me say something about that
Good.[:D] You know about a thousand times more than I do about these things, so I'll leave them in your and Gabe's capable hands.[:)]
Gabe Martini said:That is our goal, but it all depends upon two factors:
- How well received are these early Orthodox works/collections by our current Logos users?
IOW: If we buy the prepubs, we'll lose a lot of money compared to if we had waited for the package, but if we wait for the package, there may never be one...[:'(]
Ergatees said:Beautiful!
I don't think"beautiful" would be quite the word that came to my mind if I saw monks singing the office from iPads...
Gabe Martini said:This topic (synthesis of modern technology and ancient tradition in the Orthodox Church) is actually something I'll be speaking on later this year on Ancient Faith Radio.
Let us know some days in advance, will you?
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fgh said:
IOW: If we buy the prepubs, we'll lose a lot of money compared to if we had waited for the package, but if we wait for the package, there may never be one...
Not necessarily, as the end goal for me personally goes beyond simple bundles and base packages, but to something more holistic that is unique for this market.
fgh said:Gabe Martini said:This topic (synthesis of modern technology and ancient tradition in the Orthodox Church) is actually something I'll be speaking on later this year on Ancient Faith Radio.
Let us know some days in advance, will you?
Absolutely! [:)]
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I feel like I took a real beating on the Verbum deal. My fault, not blaming Logos, I just didn't research enough before buying and, did not get much that is useful. ( Most wont even pull up in useful ways when searching-arrgghh) . A lot of it I already had, so, for me, not a good deal.
Thus, the only way I will be able to approach an Orthodox upgrade is if it really is of great value. Otherwise, just pick what I need from Titles.
FWIW , as others may now feel similar about the "Libraries".
Grace and Peace.
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