Any recommendations or input on this resource?
http://www.logos.com/product/8286/greek-grammar-beyond-the-basics
Thanks,
Ron
Buy it. Premier resource for greek grammar. Most up to date. Also applies grammar to understanding passage
I would get it...it's the standard Greek grammar. I used it in school, actually we were supposed to use the abridged version and I appreciated having the fuller explanations.
If you've mastered the basics of Koine Greek it's a must-have resource to take you on. It is probably more of a reference book than a "read-it-all through" book, but he does mark up the bits that are most important to understand. Having said that, I did have to read (and be tested on) it when I was studying, and found it very helpful in getting to the next level in understanding the grammar.
I would say, buy it, a highly useful grammar.
I went to go buy this and it has disappeared from the Logos site. Anyone know why?
Bundled in Zondervan Biblical Languages collection => http://www.logos.com/product/32713/zondervan-biblical-languages-collection
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Anyone know why?
As KS4J pointed out it has been bundled. Perhaps it will be available again separately. We haven't been told why it is no longer available individually.
That's annoying. Is this a normal practice to bundart something that was once sold individually?? I thought it was the other way around.
It is more common than you think. Many times bundles are driven by the publisher rather than Logos.
Is this a normal practice to bundart something that was once sold individually??
I can't remember seeing it before. Except for Vyrso books being moved into Logos.
Any recommendations or input on this resource? http://www.logos.com/product/8286/greek-grammar-beyond-the-basics Thanks, Ron
You can do better.
You've probably done this elsewhere, George, but what resources (Logos or otherwise) would you consider "better"?
Donnie
Not available in Logos - but the greek text my seminary is having me learn from this semester is S. M. Baugh's A New Testament Greek Primer.
It has mixed reviews on Amazon saying that some of the vocab and grammar on the quizes is new ground that hadn't been covered by the chapter - etc. As an undergrad and at a different institution - we studied from Mounce. I'm not sure what Dr. David Alan Black uses in his classes, but I can find out if someone were curious.
You can do better. You've probably done this elsewhere, George, but what resources (Logos or otherwise) would you consider "better"? Donnie
Funk A Beginning-Intermediate Grammar of Hellenistic Greek
Robertson A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research
Blass-Debrunner-Funk A Grammar of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature
Moulton-Turner-Howard A Grammar of New Testament Greek
Crosby-Schaeffer An Introduction to Greek (Classical)
Smyth Greek Grammar (Classical)
Is Black's Learn to Read New Testament Greek any good? I was thinking of combining it with iVocab Biblical Greek 2.0 Audiobook CD-ROM ... for vocab. Does that CD look good? I just spoke to the customer service representative at Logos who sells the Biblical Languages base-package, Bart, quarter of an hour ago and there wasn't an exact equivalent in Logos yet.I have another recent grammar: Read Greek in 30 Days or Less: New Testament, Old Testament, Apocrypha, Philo, Church Fathers My purpose right now is to learn at an elementary level, I'll start on the more advanced things later on:
I'll be taking the Blass-Debrunner-Funk grammar on a test-run that will extend over 2 years, it looks it would help in providing a transition from classical Gk which will be the first thing I study at a higher level (in uni).
BDF can be useful, but it can also be a bit cryptic. Smyth is good for classical and also proves to be useful in NT studies.
BDF is good as an advanced text, but badly needs an update. What I feel is that for advanced Koine texts, GGBB is alone in the field at the moment.
Check out FlashGreek Pro on iOS for a vocab app that goes with Black and other grammars.
Funk A Beginning-Intermediate Grammar of Hellenistic Greek Robertson A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research Blass-Debrunner-Funk A Grammar of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature Moulton-Turner-Howard A Grammar of New Testament Greek Crosby-Schaeffer An Introduction to Greek (Classical) Smyth Greek Grammar (Classical)
George,
Those are all introductory grammars, are they not (though I suspect the ones for classical greek go well beyond what might ordinarily be thought of as introductory). The original question was about Wallace's GGBTB, whose subtitle is "an exegetical syntax." Thus, despite the name, it doesn't seem to be a "grammar" in any traditional sense. And I think it's typically classified in the intermediate-advanced range.
My question was based on that, so I was looking for any feedback you might have on "exegetical syntax" books that you thought were better than Wallace.
Those are all introductory grammars, are they not
Robertson is an intermediate to advanced grammar.
Good point. I thought that it was considered somewhat dated at this point. Is that a fair assessment?
Funk A Beginning-Intermediate Grammar of Hellenistic Greek Robertson A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research Blass-Debrunner-Funk A Grammar of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature Moulton-Turner-Howard A Grammar of New Testament Greek Crosby-Schaeffer An Introduction to Greek (Classical) Smyth Greek Grammar (Classical) George, Those are all introductory grammars, are they not (though I suspect the ones for classical greek go well beyond what might ordinarily be thought of as introductory). The original question was about Wallace's GGBTB, whose subtitle is "an exegetical syntax." Thus, despite the name, it doesn't seem to be a "grammar" in any traditional sense. And I think it's typically classified in the intermediate-advanced range. My question was based on that, so I was looking for any feedback you might have on "exegetical syntax" books that you thought were better than Wallace. Thanks, Donnie
Don't let the title Beginning-Intermediate on Funk's grammar foot you. It goes beyond the basics. Robertson's volume is about as thick as the New York telephone directory—if it isn't in there, probably no one covers it (not quite true since I've found some things he doesn't cover). BDF is somewhat the standard for NT Greek though it tends to be cryptic. Moulton-Howard-Turner is FOUR VOLUMES (in folio, not quarto or octavo). Do you really want to consider that beginning? Smyth got me through Homer and Plato, but has some remarks that no NT grammarian has noted so don't count him out on Koine.
Regarding your question regarding which exegetical syntax books were better than Wallace: Go into the section dealing with NT grammars and pick one up—any one. Almost all of them are better than Wallace. Wallace have two glaring problems:
Robertson is an intermediate to advanced grammar. Good point. I thought that it was considered somewhat dated at this point. Is that a fair assessment? Donnie
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Don't let the title Beginning-Intermediate on Funk's grammar foot you.
I'm not sure how it would "foot" me, but I'm going to do my best to make sure it doesn't.
More seriously, though, I appreciate the detailed reply.
Don't let the title Beginning-Intermediate on Funk's grammar foot you. I'm not sure how it would "foot" me, but I'm going to do my best to make sure it doesn't. More seriously, though, I appreciate the detailed reply. Donnie
Do I really need to state what that should have been? I think not.
George - what is your take on SM Baugh's text? Its third revision was released in 2012.
George, I currently own Wallace, and I believe I have Robertson from my base package. Of the remaining grammars you mentioned, which one would you recommend I look to pick up next (assuming a limited budget)?
Funk A Beginning-Intermediate Grammar of Hellenistic Greek Robertson A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research Blass-Debrunner-Funk A Grammar of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature Moulton-Turner-Howard A Grammar of New Testament Greek Crosby-Schaeffer An Introduction to Greek (Classical) Smyth Greek Grammar (Classical) George, I currently own Wallace, and I believe I have Robertson from my base package. Of the remaining grammars you mentioned, which one would you recommend I look to pick up next (assuming a limited budget)?
Robertson hasn't been superseded IMHO. But if you had a limited budget I would recommend Smyth.
Definitely Smyth. It will also be helpful for a limited budget since it is probably the cheapest one on the list.
Thanks. I hadn't paid much attention to Robertson up until now, I'll definitely start referencing it more. Is there anything in particular to be cautious of due to its age?
Robertson hasn't been superseded IMHO. But if you had a limited budget I would recommend Smyth. Thanks. I hadn't paid much attention to Robertson up until now, I'll definitely start referencing it more. Is there anything in particular to be cautious of due to its age?
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