Do you like Logos' Series or want to create your own?
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I agree with fgh. However, I suspect a second dimension added to parallel resources is probably not near the top of most people's L5 Bible study needs.
But 'if' the trend is toward light high-powered tablets (or even notebooks), a more intuitive interface will be needed. Moving 'across' (parallel) or 'down' would be part of that intuitiveness that future users would simply take for granted (as they do now with parallel).
The current method in L5 (for me) is obnoxious on 'advanced' prioritization. I've tried to follow Mark's and Steve's guidance, but my brain doesn't work that way. Part of the issue is likely I work with several Bible software products, and don't have time/interest in such odd methods.
But the L5 series rules could be relaxed a bit. Here I'm likely to be wrong (again) but I created my 'Best of the Best' series (basically 'fixing' AYB with some alternative volumes. But the minute I get in another series and try to move to a 'missing' volume (re-series'd), the software doesn't know what to do.
So it just stops like the volume isn't in my library. I can understand the programming quandary of a book moving to multiple series (which??). But the opposite direction should be a simple decision.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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fgh said:
And the thing is, some books do belong to multiple series. The AYBRL includes three or four minor series within it (Charlesworth, A Marginal Jew, an archaeology one, and perhaps Brown),
If Logos have given a series name to this collection then it demonstrates a misunderstanding of Series** as it is not Serial! The "minor series" are therefore only sub-collections. EBC, NAC and WBC are Serial because the individual volumes build a near-complete collection of works on the whole bible. AYBRL is "linked" by publisher rather than a common datatype like bible references. If it has several commentaries on different parts of the bible you could create a proper Series and no great harm done by losing the original series name.
** Bradley has spoken about this trend elsewhere
Dave
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Denise said:
But 'if' the trend is toward light high-powered tablets (or even notebooks), a more intuitive interface will be needed. Moving 'across' (parallel) or 'down' would be part of that intuitiveness that future users would simply take for granted (as they do now with parallel).
"across" to another Parallel collection? "down" the one Parallel collection?
Denise said:But the L5 series rules could be relaxed a bit. Here I'm likely to be wrong (again) but I created my 'Best of the Best' series (basically 'fixing' AYB with some alternative volumes. But the minute I get in another series and try to move to a 'missing' volume (re-series'd), the software doesn't know what to do.
An incomplete series (NAC, WBC, etc) can't be helped by Logos, so it just stays where it is if you enter a "missing" bible book name into one of its volumes. But PG and the context menu will provide the reference in another series/resource which is determined from your Prioritization list; obviating the need to 'fix' the series (and ruin another one!).
Dave
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Mark Barnes said:
Series are great because if you're looking at one book in the series, and try and go to a reference that's not in that book, then Logos will find that reference in another book in the same series. So if you're in the WBC commentary on Genesis, and you try to switch to Exodus, Logos will switch to the WBC volume on Exodus. Likewise, if you're in Cheyne's Books of Psalms: Vol 1, and switched to Psalm 150, then Logos will seamlessly switch to volume 2.
Seems I missed the fireworks[li]
I made an independent discovery (while tagging the NEB and REB) of the feature covered in this thread and I don't follow some of the points being made. In doing due diligence preparing for a post I noticed this thunder clap.
My questions or observations.
-Using Treasury of David as an example. If you open volume 1 which covers Pss1-26 and you want to jump to Ps34 you can simply type in the find box Ps34 and you will jump to volume 2 which covers Pss27-57. No series abracadabra needed.
-Commentaries don't seem to need Set Series organization for if you open the WBC volume 9 Ruth, Esther say and you would later like to jump to volume 30 Daniel all you need do is enter Daniel 1 or whatever in the find box and you are brought seamlessly to that level of the text. Am I confused?
The linking of the BHS with NA27 or 28 is a genius idea. Top commentaries and other resources seem best to be handled at the collection level.
Perhaps linking the REB and ESV or NIV would be a match made in heaven [:D]
The explanation of resources in parallel vs series is handy. I'm going to have to tinker with this feature awhile before I am able to see its fundamental usefulness.
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PS
Would the apparati, variant readings, and in future CNTTS have a place at the BHS/NA28 table?
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Beloved said:
-Using Treasury of David as an example. If you open volume 1 which covers Pss1-26 and you want to jump to Ps34 you can simply type in the find box Ps34 and you will jump to volume 2 which covers Pss27-57. No series abracadabra needed.
-Commentaries don't seem to need Set Series organization for if you open the WBC volume 9 Ruth, Esther say and you would later like to jump to volume 30 Daniel all you need do is enter Daniel 1 or whatever in the find box and you are brought seamlessly to that level of the text. Am I confused?
Logos already has built-in series for these resources (which is why they work as you observed).This is not new functionality.
The new change is that you can now define your own series (or override our default series) to customise this behaviour for your own needs.
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Thanks Bradley that deserves a AHA!
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Mark, can series be three, such as SBLGNT, LXX, BHS or is it limited to two?
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Jim Wait said:
Mark, can series be three, such as SBLGNT, LXX, BHS or is it limited to two?
Mark may be napping so if you don't mind I'll hazard an answer to your question. Since the material covered in these 3 resources are unique the answer is Yes they qualify as a legitimate series! Try it and see.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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Beloved said:Jim Wait said:
Mark, can series be three, such as SBLGNT, LXX, BHS or is it limited to two?
Mark may be napping so if you don't mind I'll hazard an answer to your question. Since the material covered in these 3 resources are unique the answer is Yes they qualify as a legitimate series! Try it and see.
You can put as many resources in a series as you want.
However, the resources you mentioned are not all serial: LXX and BHS both cover the Hebrew Bible (although of course LXX has additional material). If you put them all in a series, then enter "Gen 1" when you're in SBLGNT, Logos 5 won't know which Genesis 1 (LXX or BHS) to switch to. You'd probably be better off making SBLGNT and LXX a series, then making BHS a parallel resource with LXX. (Please review the earlier material in this thread on serial and parallel resources for more details.)
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
You'd probably be better off making SBLGNT and LXX a series, then making BHS a parallel resource with LXX.
Hmm...
Then what about BHS WIVU, NA27w/App and the soon to be CNTTS, Bradley?
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Can someone make a YouTube video on how to do this?
I'm not a power user yet, but I'm curious..
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Beloved said:
Then what about BHS WIVU, NA27w/App and the soon to be CNTTS
BHS/WIVU and NA27 GNT -- Yes (covers OT & NT)
NA27 GNT and CNTTS GNT - No (both cover the NT --> put them in a collection of Parallel resources).
NA27 App and CNTTS App - No (both cover the NT --> put them in a collection of Parallel resources), but what are you trying to accomplish with apparatus?
Don't mix types (e.g. bible & apparatus) in a series. Results are unpredictable/obscure.
A Logos commentary series is the example by which you judge series and what they accomplish, so a GNT bible + Hebrew bible is a natural extension because together they cover the NT & OT (not because one is in Hebrew and the other is in Greek). Therefore Tanakh (OT in English) and NA27 GNT is a proper series, but do you really want to mix languages? A Greek lexicon with a Hebrew lexicon and an Aramaic lexicon is a proper series because together they cover the words of the OT + NT.
Dave
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mike said:
I'm not a power user yet, but I'm curious..
Curious about How to do it or What it accomplishes? See my previous response regarding a commentary series as the best illustration of What and also see for yourself what it does when you have up to 70 different resources covering the whole bible (but 2 resources is sufficient reason to have a series!).
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
NA27 App and CNTTS App - No (both cover the NT --> put them in a collection of Parallel resources), but what are you trying to accomplish with apparatus?
Thanks Dave I don't have time for a proper answer--on my way to work. I thought that CNTTS has information on the text that NA27w/App only gives as a smaller caption. I need to find out more about this resource. I thought I had a fundamental grasp of what it has to offer.
I see that my knowledge here is flawed. Thanks again.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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Beloved said:
I thought that CNTTS has information on the text that NA27w/App only gives as a smaller caption. I need to find out more about this resource
If you run a Passage Guide with the Apparatuses section, one or both should be included if the study passage is present. Alternatively, put them in a Parallel collection (where you tick the option about parallel resources). If you open one at a passage you can compare it with the other via the Parallel Resource sets icon.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
If you run a Passage Guide with the Apparatuses section, one or both should be included if the study passage is present. Alternatively, put them in a Parallel collection (where you tick the option about parallel resources). If you open one at a passage you can compare it with the other via the Parallel Resource sets icon.
Once again thank you. Very helpful exercise. Being a tagger and a collector I already had my apparatuses and a few odd balls due to ignorance, ready and waiting in a collection. All that remained necessary was to tick parallel resources and remove the debris from the collection.
Running a Passage Guide on Col 4.7 revealed that I was yet to tick apparatuses. Once done it revealed 6 apparatuses for comparison. I imagine once CNTTS NT is added it too will appear here.
Is CNTTS NT the apparatus equivalent of a super-sized beverage loaded with additional calories? Will it slake our thirst for more extensive information? Like a critical apparatus on steroids. Will it dominate its older siblings with depth and breadth of coverage.
Perhaps an owner of Accordance or Bibleworks will answer the call and fill us in with details and give us some coming attractions. Sorry for the plethora of mixed metaphors. It's a fog to hide ignorance. But, I hope readers will humor me and answer some or all the questions I pose.
Thanks again Dave I think I have this series vs parallel resource set covered now.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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Dave Hooton said:mike said:
I'm not a power user yet, but I'm curious..
Curious about How to do it or What it accomplishes? See my previous response regarding a commentary series as the best illustration of What and also see for yourself what it does when you have up to 70 different resources covering the whole bible (but 2 resources is sufficient reason to have a series!).
Both would be nice too...
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mike said:
I'm not a power user yet, but I'm curious..
I'm not a You Tube person so the best I can suggest is to carefully re-read this whole thread and come back with questions.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:mike said:
I'm not a power user yet, but I'm curious..
I'm not a You Tube person so the best I can suggest is to carefully re-read this whole thread and come back with questions.
Mark Barnes to the rescue? [co][H]
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