Original Language Package? Or something similar?

I’ve been looking at Verbum Capstone. And I generally like it very much. The thing is, however, there’s an awful lot in Capstone that I’m really not going to use. Of course, I understand there will always be some resources you won't use; on the other hand, there are limits to this.

Much of the English language material I already have (Chesterton, Newman, etc.) Indeed, I have an enormous library of books - each of which I individually cherish; and they are all lovingly marked up, and are part of me. And even if I don't currently own a particular volume, unless I absolutely have to for some reason, there’s simply no way I will sit around reading an English-language book on my computer. I'd simply rather purchase a nice old copy and mark it up by hand.

I can obtain the encyclicals and all the Church documents for free. They are literally everywhere.

Nor do I have any need for lectionaries or sermon/ministry/counseling material, or Church planning, etc.

And so on.....

I am not a pastor, a minister, a Priest.

I am a Catholic layman who is also an independent scholar in Classical languages who wants to continue to read classics, as well as branch into Koine NT as well as the Latin Vulgate and medieval Latin theology, etc.

If, however, I look at a package like, say, “Biblical Languages” there are some very key volumes missing - it claims to be a language-focused package and yet, for example, no BDAG? Why? I really don’t get it.

So...

What is the best package that contains, comprehensively, and without a lot of non-language based/focused material:

• Ancient texts and morphologies
• Interlinear bibles
• Original Language Grammars and tools
• Original Language lexicons and word studies, especially the BDAG (I have the LSJ and the Middle Liddle)

I supppose I could add these a la carte:

• Aquinas Latin works & Lexicon
• Augustine Latin works

I’ll add when they are produced:

• Lewis & Short when it comes;
• The entire Loeb Latin & Greek Classics;
• The Patrologiae Cursus Completus, both the Latin & Greek
• And a ton of other stuff on my wishlist, etc.

IN SHORT: Why is there no comprehensive Original Language Package? There must be many people like me who really want to focus on language? What do they end up doing?

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Matthew C Jones

It sounds like you are familiar with much of Logos offerings. But have you seen these resources?:

Greek Bundle XL

Hebrew Bundle L

Catholic Studies Bundle XL

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

Why is there no comprehensive Original Language Package?

Available for students => http://www.logos.com/product/27551/biblical-languages

Keep Smiling [:)]

Butters

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/509804#Comment_509804

It sounds like you are familiar with much of Logos offerings. But have you seen these resources?:

Greek Bundle XL

Hebrew Bundle L

Catholic Studies Bundle XL

Thanks Super Tramp! Yes, I've seen those. The Greek Bundle looks very much like something you'd want to add on to another package; it's missing a great deal, interlinears, dictionaries, etc.

The Catholic Studies bundles is basically a bundle of everything that I DON'T want from Verbum! LOL.

Butters

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/509806#Comment_509806

Why is there no comprehensive Original Language Package?

Available for students => http://www.logos.com/product/27551/biblical-languages

Keep Smiling

Thanks Keep Smiling 4 Jesus! Yes, I addressed the "Biblical Languages Package" in my original post. [:)]

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/509809#Comment_509809

The Catholic Studies bundles is basically a bundle of everything that I DON'T want from Verbum! LOL.

[:D] Great. Then you just saved a "bundle" of money by not buying that bundle.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/509809#Comment_509809

The Greek Bundle looks very much like something you'd want to add on to another package; it's missing a great deal, interlinears, dictionaries, etc.

What would be the ideal package you would want as a starter?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/509810#Comment_509810

Butters, you kind of hit the nail pretty square. You ask what others do?

I bought the older Original Languages for maybe $350 or so. Then I added BDAG, LS, HALOT and so forth as I expanded the direction I wished to go. I'm currently at maybe $15k and I'm happy with the mix.

Mainly I'm interested in mid/late bronze age, thense to the late 2nd-Temple, thense to the apostolic fathers (each being a potential apologetic base).

You're interested in a different area entirely ... so the difficulty in what would have to be a fairly expensive package presented by Logos. The $350 one I got was so lite, I'd done better to just build from scratch and then add crossgrades for software functionality.

I will agree Logos is REALLY lite in anything after 90ce or so (original languages, whether late greek, latin, and then moving into german).

Off-topic a bit: I sure wish Logos had the Vulgate (or a variation) both in interlinear (english / latin) and also a latin specific apparatus. That's a real hole, even if one isn't Catholic or similar. We miss out on the whole Jerome exercize.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/509814#Comment_509814

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Denise, when are you going to learn that you don't want an interlinear? Repeat after me: "I don't want an interlinear." Again. Again.

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/509809#Comment_509809

The Greek Bundle looks very much like something you'd want to add on to another package

Note that the 'Bundles' are 50% off when bought at the same time as a base package. And many language resources are also hugely discounted at that time.

To see this: go to either the regular or the Catholic comparison page, choose a package, and click Customize. That will take you to a page with the discounted Bundles. Then click Proceed (or something similar) to be taken to the page with the rest of the discounts. Many of them are really good. (Note: this will put a base package in your cart, so you may want to clear that afterwards, if you're not ready to buy.)

Also note that the base packages are currently on sale. I'm not sure exactly when that sale ends, but it may be the end of the month.

Butters

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/509847#Comment_509847

Thanks to everyone who replied - all very thoughtful answers and suggestions. I'm going to give this some more thought.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/509827#Comment_509827

Now George. You know very well, that until they found the Egyptian interlinear, they had no clue how to read it. Thank goodness you were born just a bit later!

Besides ... interlinears allow people to read the original languages without learning the original languages. Eliminates all that 'school' stuff.

I can't imagine going to the Navajo church here, without my Navajo/English interlinear (nor can they!).

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/509934#Comment_509934

I can't imagine going to the Navajo church here, without my Navajo/English interlinear (nor can they!).

Are we talking "Bible Code" here? [;)] After all, the Navajos performed valuable service in the war effort with their "Code Talkers."