Logos Back to School Sale 2013!

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Regular price:

Back to school price:

That's a savings of nearly 50%. It does not get any better than this.

Does one have to qualify for Academic pricing to buy at these sale prices? 

Does one have to qualify for Academic pricing to buy at these sale prices? 

No. And it even allows you to use a payment plan. The coupon code goes in automatically.

I believe everyone qualifies.

I'm not going back to school but I love it! [<:o)]

I should say with Logos it feels like I'm still in school. There is so much to learn!

Typical! After months of sitting in my wishlist, I bought two of those last week...

After months of sitting in my wishlist, I bought two of those last week..

Sorry Mark, the early bird may catch the worm, but the fatest ones (usually slower) come out later. [:D]

After months of sitting in my wishlist, I bought two of those last week..

Sorry Mark, the early bird may catch the worm, but the fatest ones (usually slower) come out later. 

Isn't that often the truth! (Sorry Mark)

I'm curious Into, how did you find this?

It is on the Logos Blog - http://blog.logos.com/2013/08/get-big-back-to-school-savings/

Typical! After months of sitting in my wishlist, I bought two of those last week...

You know how to handle that. 

You know how to handle that. 

Had completely forgotten that option.

... the early bird may catch the worm, but the fatest ones (usually slower) come out later. 

Very apt, very funny, very good!  [Y][:D]

[quote]Typical! After months of sitting in my wishlist, I bought two of those last week...

Mark, I know that you are aware of this, but I will share for benefit of other Forum users - call customer service and "return" under the 30-day return policy then "repurchase" under the sale price.

It appears to me there is dynamic pricing on some, but not all, of the sale items. Several smaller collections show cheaper in my cart. I presume because I have a couple volumes already. But the Hermeneia/Continental Commentary bundle shows at $699 even though I have Hermeneia. All I need to complete this bundle is the Hermeneia Upgrade and the whole set of Continental Commentaries. 

Typical! After months of sitting in my wishlist, I bought two of those last week...

You know how to handle that. 

In fairness, having checked the pricing, my sales rep gave me the back to school pricing last week on one of them. I've live with the other one. It would feel wrong returning a product, and then buying it straight back...

But the Hermeneia/Continental Commentary bundle shows at $699 even though I have Hermeneia. All I need to complete this bundle is the Hermeneia Upgrade and the whole set of Continental Commentaries. 

That's strange. There used to be dynamic pricing on that bundle.

It would feel wrong returning a product, and then buying it straight back...

I respect that.

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It would feel wrong returning a product, and then buying it straight back...

I respect that.

I can agree with ST

My wife and I just talked it over and agreed that I should get the Hermeneia and Continental Commentaries because it is such a good deal with this sale. I have a wonderful wife (even if she didn't agree she would still be wonderful). Thanks Logos. [:D]

How are Hermeneia commentaries?  They appear to be more on the scholarly side?, vs application side?

Also anyone have the OT handbook? Looks interesting.

Into, I am wondering if you would change the heading to Logos Back to School Sale 2013

Select more by the initial post and choose edit.

How are Hermeneia commentaries?  They appear to be more on the scholarly side?

They're scholarly, technical commentaries (though often surprisingly light on exegesis). They're critical in the old-fashioned sense of that word.

How are Hermeneia commentaries?  They appear to be more on the scholarly side?

They're scholarly, technical commentaries (though often surprisingly light on exegesis). They're critical in the old-fashioned sense of that word.

Well I noticed the series is not complete.. So it will cost more to complete it. (one vol on pre-pub and books not written?)

On the fence on this..

It appears to me there is dynamic pricing on some, but not all, of the sale items. Several smaller collections show cheaper in my cart. I presume because I have a couple volumes already. But the Hermeneia/Continental Commentary bundle shows at $699 even though I have Hermeneia. All I need to complete this bundle is the Hermeneia Upgrade and the whole set of Continental Commentaries. 

Maybe it's time for you to grow a new beard ... [;)]

It would feel wrong returning a product, and then buying it straight back...

They just give you a credit for the difference.

But the Hermeneia/Continental Commentary bundle shows at $699 even though I have Hermeneia. All I need to complete this bundle is the Hermeneia Upgrade and the whole set of Continental Commentaries. 

That's strange. There used to be dynamic pricing on that bundle.

I noticed a couple of days ago that the dynamic pricing had disappeared when the upgrades were added. It disappointed me at the time, but I was hoping it was a temporary oversight. Now I'm going to be even more disappointed if it isn't fixed soon. All I'm missing is one or two of the upgrades, so I'd buy pretty quickly if I got the full dynamic pricing + Back to School discounts.

Hermeneia is, in my opinion, the best technical/scholarly/critical commentary series available today. The sale price is worth it for Hermeneia alone! The fact that you get Westermann's 3-volume commentary on Genesis along with all the rest of the Continental commentaries as well... That's a good deal! Highly recommended. (And, yes, I already own it!)

I think the post should be retitled to:
Logos Back to an obviously "Ivy League" School Expensive-Cost-is-No-Object Sale [:'(]

As for me and my house - I could use a lower priced actually-useful-need-them-to-do-research-and-preach-to-regular-people-Commentary Sale

Feel free to use my Wishlist Logos....its filled with useful items actual students need, want, desire, and might actually use.

I think the post should be retitled to:
Logos Back to an obviously "Ivy League" School Expensive-Cost-is-No-Object Sale

As for me and my house - I could use a lower priced actually-useful-need-them-to-do-research-and-preach-to-regular-people-Commentary Sale

I agree.  I got all excited when I found out about the sale, but my wallet will not permit me to indulge.  How about a big sale on individual commentaries?  

Daniel, I so appreciate Logos and I am thankful for their student discounts....but the selections veer so far from what I consider useful in this sale, I have wondered if they came from a stockroom clerk who called up and said "Hey, have a sale, we need room for items that people actually buy down here!"

...comedy is not my forte, but i am trying to be light here.[:)]

Daniel, I so appreciate Logos and I am thankful for their student discounts....but the selections veer so far from what I consider useful in this sale, I have wondered if they came from a stockroom clerk who called up and said "Hey, have a sale, we need room for items that people actually buy down here!"

...comedy is not my forte, but i am trying to be light here.

Thanks for your humor.  I suppose I just want useful stuff at cheap prices, whatever that means.  [:)]

It doesn't appear the "Add to Cart" buttons show whether or not I own the product - like they do on the regular product pages. Should they?

If you do own it, the cart will tell you own it and remove it for you.. 

If you do own it, the cart will tell you own it and remove it for you.. 

Except for the Hermeneia/Continental Commentary set because I only own "half" of it.  [:(]

If you do own it, the cart will tell you own it and remove it for you.. 

Except for the Hermeneia/Continental Commentary set because I only own "half" of it.  

You mean you couldn't buy the whole book?  [:D]  [;)]

They're critical in the old-fashioned sense of that word.

Now I am wondering how the meaning of the word "critical" has changed over time.

Care to elaborate?

I see that this collection is even cheaper than it was as a discounted add-on when upgrading to Logos 5: http://www.logos.com/product/21066/ It was $129 and now it's $117.95.

Now I am wondering how the meaning of the word "critical" has changed over time.

I was not so much expressing that the meaning of the word has changed over time, but rather that what it has come to mean in relation to commentaries has changed over time. In the dictionary 'critical' has two separate meanings (these are taken from the COED):

1. expressing adverse or disapproving comments or judgements
2. expressing or involving an analysis of the merits and faults of a work of literature or art.

When that word first started it to be used in relation to the Biblical texts, the question for objectivity was so emphasised that faith was considered incompatible with being 'critical'. In practice this meant that 'critical' analysis nearly always met meaning (1) and meaning (2). Later, it was better understood that true objectivity is impossible, and everyone brings their presuppositions to the text. Faith-based scholarship also began to engage much more in the scholarly debate. Consequently, when 'critical' is used today in relation to Biblical studies, the emphasis is much more on meaning (2), and meaning (1) does not necessarily apply. In other words, nowadays it's generally recognised that you can do (2) without necessarily doing (1). In the nineteenth century that wasn't the case in relation to the Biblical text.

My comment about Hemeneia/Continental was a reminder that many of the commentaries are quite dated (particularly in their original German editions), and therefore 'critical' can often mean (1) and (2), not just (2).

Some of the IVP items in the Sale might actually be useful.  I tend to lean toward items that will help me preach in a non-boring, engaging way, with words that the man/woman in the pew might grasp if they are not snoring or wondering about whats for lunch later.[;)]

Some of the IVP items in the Sale might actually be useful.  I tend to lean toward items that will help me preach in a non-boring, engaging way, with words that the man/woman in the pew might grasp if they are not snoring or wondering about whats for lunch later.

I don't know if anything in the IVP bundle could help you with that! A lot depends on your personal style, as well as authority/unction. As for exegetical/biblical substance, you can get that from a lot of sources! [:)]

Some of the IVP items in the Sale might actually be useful.  I tend to lean toward items that will help me preach in a non-boring, engaging way, with words that the man/woman in the pew might grasp if they are not snoring or wondering about whats for lunch later.

Joshua (and other students),

  I applaud your desire to preach in an engaging manner! I recently read https://www.logos.com/product/5435/effective-first-person-biblical-preaching which clarified that sermon preparation is actually a 2 step process which should be separated by an impenetrable wall.

 Your quote is focused primarily on the right side of the wall. I believe many of the resources in the Back to School sale are focused on the left side of the wall. Good preaching must involve BOTH.

as Haddon Robinson is quoted in the Foreword of  https://www.logos.com/product/5361/the-art-of-preaching-old-testament-narrative - "There is no greater abuse of the Bible than to proclaim in God’s name what God is not saying."

I have heard more than my share (and unfortunately delivered TOO MANY of these) fluffy but entertaining sermons that are too focused on the right side. AND I have endured (and unfortunately delivered TOO MANY of these) true but dry as desert sermons focused too much on the left side.

The wise student evaluates his own deficiencies and seeks resources that will make him most efficient. (The 2 resources I have linked in this post are not part of the BTS 2013 sale, but they ARE available in Logos and I wish I had access to them when I entered ministry 25 years ago).

often surprisingly light on exegesis

Had to critique one volume of Hermenia in Grad School. Calling it light on exegesis would be a compliment. The author wasted hundreds of pages seeking to support his theory of authorship and almost never engaged the meaning of the text itself.

Doubt that Logos can ever price this set low enough to tempt me.

Not sure I understand the illustration. Have heard far too many sermons that left Stage 1 on the other side of the wall and therefore were filled with nothing but fluff, a lot of Biblical sounding rhetoric with no actual Scriptural content.

Not sure I understand the illustration. Have heard far too many sermons that left Stage 1 on the other side of the wall and therefore were filled with nothing but fluff, a lot of Biblical sounding rhetoric with no actual Scriptural content.

Here is the author's explanation -

Truly biblical sermons, however, have something else. They also have middle point. If the goal of the preacher is to communicate the idea that the biblical writer originally communicated, then the preacher must divide the sermon preparation task into two disparate stages: the exegetical and the homiletical. The diagram below may be more appropriate.

Stage 1: The first task of the preacher is exegetical: determining the meaning of the text. Your goal here is to discover the idea that the original author intended to communicate to the original audience. In this stage, you are like a miner, using your exegetical skills to dig deeply into the biblical text to unearth the treasure it contains. This is our sole obsession.

Stage 2: The second task of the preacher is homiletical: determining the best way to communicate the idea of the text. It is not enough for the biblical idea to be clear in your mind. You need to develop a strategy for transferring that idea to the minds of your audience. The challenge here is to create a setting for this newly discovered exegetical jewel that will best display its unique attributes.

It is critical that you keep these two stages distinct. Do not blend the two stages together. If you begin to think homiletically too soon (how will I preach this?) during your exegesis, you will inadvertently pollute the exegetical process. Thinking about outlines, introductions, and possible applications prematurely will prevent the biblical text from speaking for itself. When the two stages begin to bleed together, it is easy to miss the author’s idea. What you end up preaching may be theologically correct but not what the original author intended to communicate to the original audience. If your goal is only to say what God said, then I recommend you imagine these two stages separated by a wall: tall, thick, and impenetrable—with razor wire on top. This wall separates the two separate stages of the sermon preparation process.

J. Kent Edwards, Effective First-Person Biblical Preaching: The Steps From Text to Narrative Sermon (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House, 2005), 23.

I think the post should be retitled to:
Logos Back to an obviously "Ivy League" School Expensive-Cost-is-No-Object Sale

As for me and my house - I could use a lower priced actually-useful-need-them-to-do-research-and-preach-to-regular-people-Commentary Sale

That's called the Pastor Appreciation Month Sale and comes in October, if I remember correctly.

This is the Back to School Sale, which is meant for Academics.

Not every sale is directed at everyone. Please don't begrudge others a sale just because it's not for you.

I see that this collection is even cheaper than it was as a discounted add-on when upgrading to Logos 5: http://www.logos.com/product/21066/ It was $129 and now it's $117.95.

I noticed the same thing. I might actually buy it this time. I just wish I knew how long it will be before they repackage SESB with NA28 instead, and how much it will cost then.

Not sure I understand the illustration. Have heard far too many sermons that left Stage 1 on the other side of the wall and therefore were filled with nothing but fluff, a lot of Biblical sounding rhetoric with no actual Scriptural content.

I generally find that such illustrations are worse than useless.  When I was learning to program I skipped that step and came back to do it afterwards if it was required.

I think the post should be retitled to:
Logos Back to an obviously "Ivy League" School Expensive-Cost-is-No-Object Sale

Not every sale is directed at everyone. Please don't begrudge others a sale just because it's not for you.

Don't waste your breath on the cry-babies.  They'll complain no matter what the price.  They might even complain if you were to pay them to take the resources.

They might even complain if you were to pay them to take the resources.

If I start crying, will someone pay me to take the resources? I am not a cry baby, but for good books that are free, yes I will cry. Gee I'm tearing up already. [:(]

Don't waste your breath on the cry-babies.  They'll complain no matter what the price.  They might even complain if you were to pay them to take the resources.

There is no need to be rude! 

Besides, isn't that what you do when it comes to interlinears?[6]

Don't waste your breath on the cry-babies.  They'll complain no matter what the price.  They might even complain if you were to pay them to take the resources.

There is no need to be rude! 

Besides, isn't that what you do when it comes to interlinears?

Not at all.  This reminds me of Harry S Truman.  One day someone yelled "Give 'm hell, Harry.  He replied, "I just tell the truth, and they think it's hell."