Logos 5 reader hardware

Dennis Audet

I am looking for a Logos 5 reader hardware device for portable use.

I have NO working knowledge of these hardware platforms and need solid advice.

My budget is 200.00 or less.

Need decent battery life.

Need enough storage for Logos 5 & at least a dozen resources -

Reverse Interlinear such as ESV.

Maybe 4-6 Hebrew & Greek Lexicons.

A few commentaries.

A few Note files.

I don't know what Operating systems are available on these devices.

I would need some network connectivity for Synchronization.

Are there any devices which would run Windows?

I am asking the User Forum community for the best advice from your experience on an economical viable reliable system.

Please mention PROs & CONs from your experience.

All advice is welcome....

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JT (alabama24)

$200 isn't going to buy much... What do you mean by "Logos 5 reader hardware"?

For clarification: "Logos 5" is a desktop application which runs on Windows or Mac. L5 does NOT run on "mobile" devices running iOS, Android, or Windows 8 RT. Logos does make mobile apps, which have varying capabilities. The mobile app for Apple's iOS is the most advanced, but the one for Android is close behind. The app for Windows RT is very limited.

To be realistic, your best bet is an Android (I can't believe I just wrote that) device. I would look first at the nook hd, which is on a fire sale. http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-hd-plus-barnes-noble/1110060512

Kendall Sholtess

200 quid? piastres? rupees? Canadian dollars?

Dennis Audet

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512704#Comment_512704

By reader hardware, I mean how I will be using Logos.

Primarily to read passages at Sunday services instead of using print bible.

I will not be running passage guides, exegetical guides or word studies.

Mostly following the message, occasionally looking at original language text and maybe some word lookup.

Dennis Audet

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512707#Comment_512707

greenbacks! (r they still green?)

Dennis Audet

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512704#Comment_512704

The Nook you mentioned, will it run Logos 5 in an Android app?

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512714#Comment_512714

Amazon Fire HD might be your best bet… The Android app is not quite as developed as the iOS app.. but an IPad mini is more than $200. The devices make good readers and with the aid of an internet connection can do word studies and passage guides, but the mobile apps are not as powerful as Logos desktop.

-dan

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512714#Comment_512714

Logos 5 in an Android app?

The Android/iOS apps are not labeled as 4 or 5 they are just the mobile App. MOST all items are available on the device but there are a few legacy items that are not on the mobile device. Oxford Dictionary of Christian Church is the one example i can think of an item not available on mobile.

-Dan

Dan Francis

Reverse Interlinear such as ESV.

RI will require a wifif connection.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512714#Comment_512714

Dennis, there are a few guidelines that I would give regarding tablets.

1. Space: Try to get a good size harddrive. 32 GB. More than what you will need, the you may find other uses for it.

2. Ram: 1 GB

3. Processor: The faster the better

4. OS: 4.0 or greater (Ice Cream Sandwich or later)

5. Google Play: Make sure that it come with the software to access the Google Play market. https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/1727131?hl=en

6. Make sure it has a slot for a sd card, and buy one. The android app from Logos needs to have the card in the tablet, or it will not function.

This is just an example. Shop around. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?Recs=30&Nav=|c:6957|&Sort=3

For that price you may be better off with a good refurbished one. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_2_3/179-7017809-8954453?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=tablet%20android&sprefix=tab%2Caps%2C268

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512714#Comment_512714

The Nook you mentioned, will it run Logos 5 in an Android app?

As I wrote above, "Logos 5" is a desktop app, and runs only on PC or Mac. The Nook will run the Android app, which is not "Logos 5." You would have access to your "mobile enabled resources," which may be a large portion of your library, but not all. You will have access to all of those books online, or you can download some for offline usage. Many features will require an Internet connection. You will be able to read & highlight offline.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512727#Comment_512727

You may want to peruse the Logos Android forum.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512727#Comment_512727

Dennis, here is what Logos looks like on an Android Tablet http://www.logos.com/training/android

This is how it looks on a Kindle Fire http://www.logos.com/training/kindlefire

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

With budget constraint of $ 200 or less, personally would look for an Android device running 4.2 or newer; thread => Hebrew vowel points is in Android forum.

Found Amazon has an Android 4.2 tablet for $ 75.99 => http://www.amazon.com/Alldaymall-A70X-Dual-Core-Capacitive-Multi-Touchscreen/dp/B00CTKSAS8 and another one for $ 64.99 (White) => http://www.amazon.com/Chromo-Android-Jellybean-Capacitive-Screen/dp/B009W49ALA

Caveat: personally not know if these devices are viable for Logos use.

Logos has Android installation => http://www.logos.com/support/android/install and Android support => http://www.logos.com/support/Android

A refurbished iPad Mini costs a bit more at $ 279 => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad

When looking at tablets, be aware that Windows RT can only run a Logos mobile app => Which features are in the Logos app for Windows RT?

Keep Smiling [:)]

John

My budget is 200.00 or less.

The full Logos program only runs on Real Windows.

Unless you find a really great tremendous good deal, there is nothing under $350 - $400.

When you say portable, I assume that means you want a small tablet like device?

If so, your main choices are Android or Apple.

Decent Android Tablets can be had for $200.

Barnes & Noble has a great deal on their Nook HD and HD+ devices right now.

The HD+ is a larger 9 inch display with excellent pixel density and is on a par with Apples retina display on the high end ipad.

Just keep in mind that this is not going to run the full Logos program. The Logos for Android program is very limited. Offerings by Olivetree and others are much better if you want to have several resources open and refer back and forth. But the Logos app does allow you to read your Logos resources on Android.

Read posts in the Android forum here to learn more about the limitations. Last time I checked, notes did not work properly and they were having sync issues.

I recently bought TWO nooks. One is the e-ink Simple touch, and does not run Logos (well it can with some hacking, but not with good results). I picked this up for only $50 on sale. I find myself reading on this more than my other tablets. I really like it. I also picked up very cheap ($179) a Nook HD+ with 32GB.

I also have owned a Samsung Galaxy tab II 7" Android tablet. (about $180) It works fine, but the display on it cannot be compared to the display on the Nook HD or HD+.

I would say that right now the best Android tablet would be the Google Nexus 10, which has a 10.1-inch 2560×1600 pixel display (300 ppi). But that is out of your price range. Apples iPad is also a good choice, but again way out of your price range.

The Nook HD+ has a 9 inch display with 1,920 x 1,280 resolution (pixel density of 256 ppi). You cannot get an Android tablet with a display this good at this price anywhere else. And the Nook line now has full access to the Google play store, so you do not have to root or hack the device to install Android apps (Like Logos).

Current Prices:

Nook HD (7" display) with 8GB $129

Nook HD (7" display) with 16GB $149

Nook HD+ (9" display) with 16GB $149

Nook HD+ (9" display) with 32GB $179

Keep in mind that the Logos Android app will not be able to store your resources on an SD-CARD. So the amount of Internal Memory may be an issue if you have a Large number of Resources. Logos on Android reads books directly from WIFI from their servers ... but frequently used resources you will probably want to download and store on the device. Or if you are like me, you may even want to download and store your entire Library and turn WIFI off to save battery use. My Library has about 460 resources and takes up 2GB of space. If your library is a lot smaller than that you might be able to get away with an 8GB tablet. If you are planning on doing anything else other than Logos with this tablet, I would get at least 16GB just to be safe ... especially if you will need to store audio or video files etc. I got the 32GB version but I use my tablet for more than just Logos, have a lot of apps installed.

Also, these prices are a huge discount. Nobody knows for sure how long these prices will continue. The HD+ is $120 off.

The Google Nexus 10 is probably the only Android Tablet you will find with a better display than the HD+, but it is a $500 tablet.

I honestly do not think you can do much better for under $200, but others on the forum might have alternative ideas for you.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512733#Comment_512733

Nobody knows for sure how long these prices will continue. The HD+ is $120 off.

John - thanks for your post. It's always best to hear from those using the devices... I've seen the Nook+ and was impressed... But not tempted. I'll stick with my iPad. [:)]

FYI — B&N did announce that they are leaving the hardware business. The current prices reflect a "fire sale" as they liquidate stock.

John

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512738#Comment_512738

FYI — B&N did announce that they are leaving the hardware business. The current prices reflect a "fire sale" as they liquidate stock.

Yep, they are getting out of the hardware business. So once current inventory is gone, the sale is over.

I was at my local B&N store last week and talked with the manager a little bit. He said they will still be selling Nooks in the stores, but the devices themselves will probably be made by other companies in the future. I asked him if he knew any details about that, and he mentioned Microsoft. I don't think he really knows which direction they are heading, but I was already aware that Microsoft has a large investment in B&N.

Maybe we will see B&N Nook running Windows RT in the near future? The rumor mill on the internet is probably not reliable at this point, so nobody knows for sure.

What is for sure is that the display on the HD+ is better than my wifes iPad 4 with the Retina Display, and it costs less than half the money [H]

Dennis Audet

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512723#Comment_512723

Dan

Please help me understand why a reverse interlinear would require a WiFi connection.

Thanks

Dennis Audet

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512726#Comment_512726

Lynden,

You've lost me on # 4 - Ice Cream Sandwich?

OS: 4.0 - is that on an Android?

# 5 - What is Google Play?

Thanks

Andy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512792#Comment_512792

You've lost me on # 4 - Ice Cream Sandwich?

OS: 4.0 - is that on an Android?

# 5 - What is Google Play?

Hi Dennis,

I am not Lynden [:)], but maybe able to clarify.

The various iterations of the Android operating system (OS) are designated by (to my mind) flamboyant monickers (Honeycomb, Jelly Bean, etc.). I understand that Lynden is recommending that you look at devices which run, at a minimum, OS 4.0 (which goes by the name of Ice Cream Sandwich). There is a Wikipedia article here which details the Android version history,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Ice_Cream_Sandwich#Android_4.0.E2.80.934.0.2_Ice_Cream_Sandwich_.28API_level_14.29

Google Play is, in effect, the Android store and, as I understand it, the means by which you would most easily access the Logos app on Android devices.

Again, there is a relevant article on Wikipedia, here,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_play

Blessings,

[:D]

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512790#Comment_512790

Please help me understand why a reverse interlinear would require a WiFi connection.

That feature is performed on the Logos servers... Hence no WiFi = No RI.

FWIW - the reverse interlinear function is performed differently on mobile than in L4/L5. There isn't a reverse interlinear panel... instead you select a word and press "look up." Logos then retrieves info from the servers and gives you info in a pop up box.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512792#Comment_512792

You've lost me on # 4 - Ice Cream Sandwich?

OS: 4.0 - is that on an Android?

# 5 - What is Google Play?

Andy did a good job giving you answers, but I thought I would tackle it from a different angle.

Ice Cream Sandwich — is the "code name" given to a version of Android. Apple's mobile operating system (iOS) is highly unified. 95% of users are running iOS 6, the newest version. Android is highly fractured, and there are 3 main versions being run. Only a third of Android users are using the most current version. NOTE: buying a "new" device does not guarantee that you will have the most current OS or that you will even be able to update to it. Conversely, buying a "new" iOS device from Apple WILL assure you that you will be running the newest OS & will be able to update for at least a couple of years.

Here is an article on Android OS adoption rates: http://www.ibtimes.com/android-vs-ios-adoption-rates-jelly-bean-finally-most-popular-version-google-mobile-operating-system

Google Play — is the closest thing to Apple's "App Store." Many Android devices are incapable of utilizing Google Play, due to the version of Android they are running.

John and I both recommended to you the Nook HD+ device. I only did so because of your budget. Since Barnes and Noble is trying to liquidate their stock, it is a good value compared to other devices... However, I would much rather wait and save my money for an iPad. New devices will be released soon (possibly September), which will be a window to pick up a deal.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512811#Comment_512811

Wikipedia has Android version history => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history

For Hebrew vowel points to display correctly in Logos mobile app, need Android 4.2 or 4.3 flavor of Jelly Bean => http://community.logos.com/forums/t/62570.aspx Note: all Apple iOS devices display vowel points correctly.

Nook HD+ comes with a customized Ice Cream Sandwich edition of Android 4.0 that can be upgraded (rooted) to run Jelly Bean 4.2 => http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57572408-251/root-your-nook-tablet-for-as-little-as-$9.99/

Business question: who sells Android hardware profitably ? => http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/158867/apple-inc-ipad-is-obliterating-samsung-googles-android-in-tablet-profits , => http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/samsung-collected-95-percent-of-q1-2013-android-profits/ and => http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/10/12/amazon-makes-no-hardware-margins-on-the-kindle/

Samsung is profitable selling Android smart phones that look and feel a lot like Apple's => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._v._Samsung_Electronics_Co.,_Ltd.

Observation: companies making a profit tend to stay in business.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Kevin A. Purcell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512903#Comment_512903

Get a Google Nexus 7 tablet. The older one is under $200 and the brand new one that just came out costs a little over $200. Best Buy has the new one and may even still have the old one. If they don't and you really have to stay under $200 then go to someplace like Office Depot. They are still selling the old ones for $180.

GREAT!!!! tablet and it's not hampered by the ways that Barnes and Noble limits users to their user interface. You get the Android operating system on the Nexus 7 and Google updates it about once or twice a year. For under $200 there isn't a better option and I"ve played with them all.

Dennis Audet

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/513112#Comment_513112

Kevin,

I see the Google Nexus 7 with 16 or 32 GB storage, 1 or 2 GB RAM, and with different processors.

How do I tell the new from the old model?

Seven inch seems like a good size to me.

How good is the 1280 x 800 display compared to the Nook HD+ 1920 x 1280 9 inch display which I can get for $150 (16GB) or 180 (32GB)?

I gather that Jelly Bean is the desirable OS?

John

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/513112#Comment_513112

... it's not hampered by the ways that Barnes and Noble limits users to their user interface.

The new Google Nexus tablets are pretty awesome. I think with the current pricing on the Nooks though, and the OP's very limited budget, the Nook shouldn't be ruled out so quickly. The 10" Nexus is the one with a really amazing display, but it is over OP's price range.

I was thinking that the 9" Nook might be the best choice for the money. But Kevins suggestion for a 7" Nexus is not a bad one. If you want a 7" device, it may be worth it to you to spend the extra money and go with the Nexus. The new model especially has a very good IPS display on it.

And it is correct the Android interface on the B&N Nooks has been customized and tailored to be more like an e-reader than a tablet. And originally B&N did not allow apps to be installed from any other sources besides the B&N store.

This has changed. The color Nooks now all have full access to the Google Play store. And there is also the ability to root and to completely replace the B&N interface with the standard Android interface ... although this may be beyond some users comfort level.

Also, take a look at the specs on the display. Even the 7" Nook has a better display than the old Nexus 7 (but not the new ones).

The old Nexus 7 was 216 ppi (1280 x 800). The new Nexus 7 is 323 ppi (1920 x 1200)

The 7" Nook HD is 1440×900i @ 243ppi, The 9" Nook HD+ is 1920×1280 @ 257ppi.

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512790#Comment_512790

Dan

Please help me understand why a reverse interlinear would require a WiFi connection.

Thanks

It SHOULDN'T in my opinion but that is the way Logos has it designed.

-Dan

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/513297#Comment_513297

It SHOULDN'T in my opinion but that is the way Logos has it designed.

I think that will change in time… maybe when the next gen builds come out… or maybe the gen after that. [A]

Kevin A. Purcell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/513165#Comment_513165

I see the Google Nexus 7 with 16 or 32 GB storage, 1 or 2 GB RAM, and with different processors.

How do I tell the new from the old model?

The newer one runs Android 4.3. Ask the salesperson for it. Where do you want to buy it? If you go to play.google.com they only sell the latest 7-inch model.

How good is the 1280 x 800 display compared to the Nook HD+ 1920 x 1280 9 inch display which I can get for $150 (16GB) or 180 (32GB)?

If you look at one with that display resolution, then it is the old one. The new one has a much higher resolution than 1280x800. It is 1920x1200 and looks spectacular. The Nook looks good too.

The biggest reasons to avoid the Nook are...

1. You are forced into the Nook arena of things unless you like to hack your device. It sounds like that's not you. With a Nexus device, you get Google's Android operating system they way they designed it. You get full access to all of the apps and content from Google's store of apps called the Google Play Store. You can also access much of the Nook content by installing the Nook app. Add the Amazon Kindle app and you get Amazon content too.

2. Nook is a dying brand. Barnes and Noble just sold the hardware part of the business because they couldn't compete despite being one of the best book reading color touch screen tablets on the market. The reason they couldn't compete? See number one.

It's like going to the strip mall and looking at two stores. One will hold your hand and show you only what they think you should get made by their company. The other will do the same, but they will also let you see what other companies make and they don't really care if you buy the other company's stuff because either way, you're still buying it from them. The Nook is like the first store. You get Nook and Nook only. Buy form Nook store and only get the apps they let in, far fewer than the Google Play Store. You get a far greater set of options when you got with regular Android than when you go with Nook or Kindle Fire.

The reason the Nexus 7 is the best 7-inch tablet is they also get the latest operating system updates. That may not seem like much, but it does if you get hacked by someone who found a flaw in Android 4.1 and you can't upgrade to 4.2 or 4.3 because Samsung Acer or ASUS didn't send out the new version yet. Also, certain apps don't run on older versions of Android so you get left out there too. Finally, the newest 4.3 is much more fluid and better performing than 4.1 or 4.2.

Dennis Audet

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/513388#Comment_513388

Ok Kevin,

Great comments. However, last paragraph - ASUS.

Doesn't ASUS make the Nexus 7?

I was in Best Buy looking at a Nexus 7 (1920 x 1200) running Jelly Bean 4.3 or 4.2? (salesman couldn't tell) and I am sure it said ASUS on it. Or am I mistaken. They wanted $229 (16GB) and $269 (32GB).

John

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/513388#Comment_513388

The biggest reasons to avoid the Nook are...

1. You are forced into the Nook arena of things unless you like to hack your device. It sounds like that's not you. With a Nexus device, you get Google's Android operating system they way they designed it. You get full access to all of the apps and content from Google's store of apps called the Google Play Store. You can also access much of the Nook content by installing the Nook app. Add the Amazon Kindle app and you get Amazon content too.

2. Nook is a dying brand. Barnes and Noble just sold the hardware part of the business because they couldn't compete despite being one of the best book reading color touch screen tablets on the market. The reason they couldn't compete? See number one.

1. This information is no longer accurate. I own a Nook HD+. After the most recent software update, It has the Google Play store built-in, and full access to everything on it. You can download and run the kindle app if you want to, just as you can with any other Android device. You can install Google Reader and read Google books. There are no limitations such as Kevin is implying and it is speculation, not fact the future upgrades to the Android OS will not be made available by B&N on the Nook. Even if B&N abandoned the Nook (not likely as it would be bad publicity), there are several companies selling cheap and easy upgrades already.

2. B&N has gotten out of the hardware manufacturing end of things, but will still continue to sell and support the Nook. They are still honoring warranties as far as I know. The reason they couldn't compete against Amazon is the same reason that nobody can compete against Amazon, and has nothing to do with the device or the software. When it comes to e-books and readers, Amazon got to market first and had a better selection and better prices.

OP, you are correct that Asus makes the Nexus tablets. This is not a negative point as Asus is one of the better manufacturers. You will not go wrong either way. The Nook is the better deal for the money here, and there is no question about it. The choice between 7 inch and 9 inch is a personal one. Some people consider 10 inches too big. 7 inches is easier to carry around, but then you lose display area. 7 inches is still too big to fit in your pocket.

Dennis Audet

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512730#Comment_512730

Lynden, et.al.,

Should I expect the Nook HD + (I believe running 4.0) to behave in a similar fashion as these demos?

John

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/515992#Comment_515992

Should I expect the Nook HD + (I believe running 4.0) to behave in a similar fashion as these demos?

Not sure what demos you have watched, but the Nook HD and HD+ run android apps in the exact same way as any other Android device. The Logos app runs fine on My Nook HD+.

The Nook Interface is laid out differently, but underneath it is still all Android. Once you run an app it runs the same.

Unix

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/516217#Comment_516217

Both me and my girlfriend prefer the 7" Nook HD and 8 GB (both of them) is certainly enough for all our needs.

I don't use it for anything else than Logos. Can split monitor if needed, and I could make the font smaller (it's currently somewhat large) to fit more on the monitor.

Battery life is great (bought from ebay), monitor is awesome (my girlfriend has somewhat poor eyesight (would barely be able to drive a car but she is thinking of driving "moped"-cars) and is born with one eye). The HD+ model is faster.

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/516281#Comment_516281

I am pretty sure that the Nook HD+ runs on 4.2. I would recommend the Nook HD+, as it is on sale and is a great bargain.