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I will skip this deal and the "anti-Holy Spirit" author [:P] God bless him....

I don't agree with all he says, but he has been gifted by God.

In Him,

Jim

 

Wild Eagle said:

No, and most likely I wont, but I watched his videos to learn his stand point, where he criticises the whole denomination. 

Edit: Here is one example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY8TOHPUQgo

I just watched the example you gave. Maybe I missed it. What "whole denomination" does he criticize? I hear him mention several denominations (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Episcopalian) and movements (Third Wave, Charismatic movement), but I must be missing "the whole denomination" to which you refer.

Just to prove I haven't "drunk the Kool-Aid" and accept everything he says, I disagree with Johnny Mac's use of 1 Cor 13 to indicate cessation of tongues because I disagree with his understanding of "that which is perfect".

EDIT: Geo and I seem to have cross posted.

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Wild Eagle said:

The reason why I am so strong against this author is because he criticizes the whole denomination based on some flaws which happens in some churches And among well known preachers  

imagine if the Corinthian church would be in the 21st century, where the gifts of Holy Sprit were manifested and at the same time lots of flaws: some members are sleeping with parents, adultery, and other works of the flesh. MacArthur would defenetly say that it's a strange fire and the work of Holy Spirit cannot be present there. It would be included in his book. That's why I call him "anti-Holy Spirit", looking at the flaws he can easily replace the work of Holy Spirit a with strange fire. 

PS: I do not want theological debate, I just wanted to express my opinion about the author. Sorry if I crossed the line

Unfortunately I'm coming to expect these kinds of comments. There were comments on the thread looking for Arminian commentaries from people in disagreement. Ditto with the Tim LaHaye books. I tend to agree with you on MacArthur, but I think we need to learn to bite our tongues when we see authors/positions represented that we don't like.

I have to agree with you completely! Westboro Baptist Church is 5 point Calvinist but we won't measure all Calvinists by the WBC's "Strange Fire"!

Thanks, Mike, for bringing this offer to our attention.

Bill

The above is a thinly veiled, deceptive attempt to draw interested charismatics (or pentecostals) to see exactly what positive remark Rev MacArthur (cessationist) would possibly say about Gordon Fee (non-cessationist).

This attempt deserves condemnation. Because if MacArthur is saying something worthy of repeating, one should repeat it in a honest, upright way. But the poster above attempts to further stoke theological debate here by another push of the envelope.

Let me say it now: around 8:00, Rev MacArthur cites Fee's comment that hermeneutics is often practised badly in charismatic circles. That's what Rev MacArthur was "agreeing with". That's what the poster wanted you all to hear, without saying it.

I want to say 2 things:

1. If theological debate on topics like cessationism are not welcome on these Forums, please do not provoke or stoke debate.

2. Rev MacArthur's remark around 8:00 - 8:20 bears quoting:

• Pentecostals and charismatics do not operate on sound hermeneutics. They do not. Poor principles of hermeneutics show up in this movement everywhere, as they do in other movements. (emphasis mine).

So please "take heed unto yourselves" and post within Forum guidelines.

You don't fool me for a minute.

This is not the place for debate. Debate all you want, promote cessationism if you want, but not here.

You are not doing Rev MacArthur any favours.

The book is fine, but your sneaky trojan-horse approach is not.

I am reporting your posts as an abuse of this forum.

 

Super Tramp said:

Yet, while I belong to neither camp, I have learned from both.

[Y]

We need Strange Fire book in Logos, stat!

BTW, what do you guys mean, when you say "neither camp." 

Are you simply choosing not to comment on the subject? Or are you talking about your feelings? Or are you saying you need to do more research before you decide what you believe? I feel like I'm missing something because I don't know how one can be in this place. Thanks for your response!

Wild Eagle said:

The reason why I am so strong against this author is because he criticizes the whole denomination based on some flaws which happens in some churches And among well known preachers  

From my experience the "flaws" are pretty pervasive and tightly held... I'll be the first to admit a few things though, firstly I don't have a tremendous amount of experience with Pentecostal churches... I've been to five or six and seen mostly /bad/ theology at play, even within a non-cessationist theological construct. However, I did encounter one church in New Jersey that had their ducks in a row so to speak... We left the follow up information for a number of new believers with them, as the baptists (my denomination) were not interested...

A professor at bible school once told me a story about a great "movement" of the "spirit" he had had been hearing about from his missionary friend in Alaska. People were prophesying, speaking in tongues, and so forth. They believed they were experiencing an outpouring of God. My professor/friend who does not hold to cesasionism, but is a bit skeptical, asked his missionary friend to ask the person speaking in tongues to say the name of he whom they worship.

The missionary blew it off for a while, but then one day he had an experience that puzzled him, and so the next time someone was speaking in tongues he commanded the individual to confess the name of Jesus. The individual would say things like "I fear the most high" and so forth. Any way to make a long story short, they came to believe they were dealing with a demon imitating a revival. They started having a team of people pray during the service, and as a church walked the perimeter of their church facility praying on a regular basis. The "revival" stopped.

I'm not sure how I feel about the story, but it definitely stuck with me.

Dean053 said:

Jack Caviness said:

Dean053 said:

I think we need to learn to bite our tongues when we see authors/positions represented that we don't like.

Logos publishes lots of material from people with whom I disagree, but I have only written a review on one. If you don't want the resource, then do not purchase it, but have some respect for others who may disagree with you and believe the resource is worth-while.

non sequitur. 

Logic becomes apparent when worded differently (If I may indulge):

Jack Caviness said:

1. Logos publishes lots of material from people with whom I disagree
2. If you don't want the resource, then do not purchase it.
3. Have some respect for others who believe the resource is worth-while, and may disagree with you.

Neither have I.  Still waiting.