OT: Answer to "Does Logos Run on iPad?" is Finally Yes
I can't say anything about it, but I'm testing some software that changes the answer to this question.
Stay tuned!
Can you tell I'm excited??
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association
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You mean something other than the 4 Logos apps that already run on iPad?
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And other than the remote desktop solutions where an iPad app takes control of your desktop pc at home?
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I can't wait to hear about this, whatever it is. Hard to imagine iPad with enough RAM or processor horsepower to run Logos 5, but if we could just read all our L5 resources, including Personal Books, that would be great!
And if Kevin is excited, that excites me.
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Michael Childs said:
And if Kevin is excited, that excites me.
I am more than a little interested too but the devil is in the details as they say….
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I'm hoping it will allow one to use a dictionary properly on the iPad with a text. As in how I've suggested here:
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I mostly will be using logos on my iPad. And there are some issues that make reading with a dictionary, say the LSJ (which I currently own and use with the Perseus material), a bit less than ideal.
Here's how it currently works for me on the iPad:
In split screen, when I choose a word in the text on the top panel, I then choose "Look Up" and then "Bible Word Study."
Then, the "Bible Word Study" screen appears in the bottom panel. In there (the bottom panel), I press LSJ. The top panel then changes to the LSJ at the entry I'm looking for.
So, as I understand it currently, the top panel will need to toggle back and forth between my original language text and my LSJ; while the bottom panel will always be the "Bible Word Study."
It would be far preferable that the top panel stays on the original language text, so that I don't lose my place and can continue to read with the definition on display in the bottom panel; and the bottom panel open to the LSJ, wherever I last looked up something.
It does makes sense; however, I imagine it would take a bit of work, and Butters doesn't want to get his little hopes up.
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My guess would be something like http://desktop.onlive.com/
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I've been using http://www.splashtop.com/home for a short time because of someone else's recommendation here. Works fine, but you need a simple Logos layout to view. All of Logos on your iPad.
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Bridgeport, CT USA
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Both Onlive and Splashtop are forms of remote control software. Since they're both only displaying a screen that's rendered elsewhere, I wouldn't consider then be "Logos running on iPad", since you'd still have a Windows interface. I suppose if the interface was updated for a touchscreen, then I would consider it significant.
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Todd Phillips said:
I suppose if the interface was updated for a touchscreen, then I would consider it significant.
Logos 5.1 running on Windows 8 is supposed to be OK on a touchscreen.
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Mark Barnes said:Todd Phillips said:
I suppose if the interface was updated for a touchscreen, then I would consider it significant.
Logos 5.1 running on Windows 8 is supposed to be OK on a touchscreen.
I use Logos 5 via LogMeIn remote control software on my iPad from time to time. It's not difficult with the touch interface, but it could be better. How is Windows 8 different?
Anyhow, remote control functionality has been around for years now. Kevin is just teasing us with this posting. For all we know, he's accepted a new job as an internet troll. [:D]
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Todd Phillips said:
I use Logos 5 via LogMeIn remote control software on my iPad from time to time. It's not difficult with the touch interface, but it could be better. How is Windows 8 different?
I was thinking of the onscreen keyboard which is much better in Windows 8. Of course if you're using LogMeIn, it provides its own keyboard.
Todd Phillips said:Anyhow, remote control functionality has been around for years now.
I was suggesting the possibility that Logos would be providing the remote computer, rather than us using our own remote computers. If so, that would mean (a) they could possibly run custom code that improved performance or the UI (possibly even a custom wrapper?); and (b) it would free up our desktop for other users. On the downside, it would mean we'd always be running over the internet, not a local LAN.
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Todd Phillips said:
Since they're both only displaying a screen that's rendered elsewhere, I wouldn't consider then be "Logos running on iPad", since you'd still have a Windows interface.
Definitely the Windows interface, in my case Win7. Obviously you don't even need the iPad app if all you are going to do is use a remote control system. But for now I can at least access functions in Logos 5 that the iPad app doesn't offer if I want to.
Whatever Kevin is excited about he isn't saying. We'll see.
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Bridgeport, CT USA
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Sorry. Details coming. And I'm not selling anything, but best answer yet.
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For those interested.
This is far better than simple remote control software. You have to use it to undertstand how slick it works.
I don't get excited about apps much any more after reviewing hundreds of them over the last few years, but this has me excited and it makes using Logos or other Bible software the way they were originally inteded to be used on a computer so much easier on an iPad. It's the interface I wish Logos et. al. could give us on the iPad.
It's not cheap at $80/year however. I have not connection with the compnay except that they let me try out the pre-release version so I could post a review at launch. I just think you guys will love using it for Logos when those times come and the iPad app isn't quite enough.
I know I'm breaking forum rules by posting this link. But I'm sure Logos shouldn't mind as it means we may be more likely to recommend people buy Logos for the desktop.
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Thanks, Kevin.
I downloaded the app and the Windows desktop application. Right now the Windows version is in beta. I have it free for 90 days to try out. Nice.
It does seem like a very cool app. It handled Logos just fine. I need to configure a more simple layout just for using this way. It won't replace using the mobile app for reading. You don't get the fine resolutions using Parallels that you get in a native iPad app.
Having used Splashtop I'd say this is way easier to use, more responsive, and it enables you to quickly switch between your desktop applications. I was able to use my Logitech iPad keyboard when accessing a Microsoft Word document.
For the times I need or want to use all of Logos away from my computer this would be a nice way to do so. I'm not sure I'd pay $80 a year to be able to do so.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Mark Smith said:
Having used Splashtop I'd say this is way easier to use, more responsive, and it enables you to quickly switch between your desktop applications. I was able to use my Logitech iPad keyboard when accessing a Microsoft Word document.
For the times I need or want to use all of Logos away from my computer this would be a nice way to do so. I'm not sure I'd pay $80 a year to be able to do so.
I agree. Much better than splash top and my previous favorite before this Logmein. As for the price, I wish it was closer to $50 a year or $5/month. At that price I think it would sell like crazy since people can get in at a low price.
It does handle all my Bible applications inlacing Logos perfectly!
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Kevin - care to post a screen shot of L5 via your iPad? [:)]
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alabama24 said:
Kevin - care to post a screen shot of L5 via your iPad?
I will soon. I'm going to write up a whole post on my blog.
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Let us know when you do. [:)]
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Wall Street Journal ran a piece on this iPad Parallels app. - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323407104579038940061871048.html
I was surprised it is $80 per year PER COMPUTER that you want to access. So a pastor with a personal computer at home and a work computer at the study may easily be looking at $160 per year.
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Looking forward to trying it. I've had good success with logmein
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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Since LogMeIn works so well, it'll take a really good thing to make me willing to pay $80/yr. i too will update with results of a trial
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Jacob Hantla said:
Since LogMeIn works so well, it'll take a really good thing to make me willing to pay $80/yr. i too will update with results of a trial
Agreed, for my needs LogMeIn is fine, and free. I would pay $25 user license (not per computer), even though I use only 2. $80 per computer per year is too steep for my needs. Looks like a nice product though.
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I'm giving this a try and it works really well. Not just for Logos, but I can even use my C++ programming environment with it.
it works really well in conjunction with the Apple Wireless keyboard - something I wasn't able to get other tools of this sort to do when I last tried them.
$80 a year is a little steep, but if I make a lot of use of this over the next 90 days I suspect I will go for it :-)
Andy
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You can try this at least for Windows machines for free for 90 days while it is in beta.
This allows right click menus to come up with a two finger tap on a word. Little tricky to make happen but it does work.
I find it to be a little balky trying to follow in the Information Pane.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Here is a screenshot using Splashtop. I cannot get the INformation Panel to work at all using Splashtop.
I believe Parallel's selling point may be the ease of interacting between applications, say Logos and Word. I haven't tried doing that using Splashtop and Parallels Access yet.
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Bridgeport, CT USA
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Mark Smith said:
I cannot get the INformation Panel to work at all using Splashtop.
The information panel should work with Splashtop, but you need to set it to operate on click rather than hover in the information panel settings.
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Jonathan Pitts said:
you need to set it to operate on click rather than hover in the information panel settings.
That was helpful. It makes sense.
BTW: I really see no advantage in my limited use up to this point in using Parallels Access over Splashtop just for Logos.
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Bridgeport, CT USA
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I have used LogMeIn for business for years but recently switched to Splashtop for using Logos at home.
For simple use with Logos, I can't see that Access actually allows anything that is not possible with the other options. The interface is nice, but not $80/year nice. Switching between applications is actually quicker from the native Windows taskbar in Splashtop. The one finger scrolling is useful sometimes but causes chaos at other times—most of my resources are in paged view.
None of these applications gives seamless transition between left-clicking, right-clicking, hovering and scrolling without switching between different modes or having to use a cursor that isn't where your finger is.
Access might be better for extensive work in Word, but I would want a proper keyboard to do that anyway.
I'll stick to Splashtop for now. The only thing I struggle with is scrolling down in the information panel. The two-finger swipe doesn't work. I have to long-press on the scroll bar to get a page-down option.
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