Can't find Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, by Ludwig Ott
Is this book available in Logos? It seems to have been in some Catholic bundles before, but I'm having trouble finding it now.
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Never mind ... it's in the Verbum packages, but not available separately, apparently.
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I picked it up in this non-base-package bundle:
https://www.logos.com/product/5177/catholic-theology-and-dogma-collection
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Todd Phillips said:
I picked it up in this non-base-package bundle:
https://www.logos.com/product/5177/catholic-theology-and-dogma-collection
It doesn't appear to be in that collection anymore.
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elnwood said:Todd Phillips said:
I picked it up in this non-base-package bundle:
https://www.logos.com/product/5177/catholic-theology-and-dogma-collection
It doesn't appear to be in that collection anymore.
You're right. I assumed it was.
I own the resource, but I can't find it anywhere in my order history, so I assumed it was a part of that bundle which is in my order history.
I think it must have been, but I'm not sure why they would remove it. Maybe to make less overlap with the Verbum packages? Still, it should be made available individually.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Did you check out your price for Verbum Basic?
http://www.logos.com/catholic#compare
Verbum Basic is a very affordable package by itself and since these are dynamically priced, it could be that you'll only pay very few dollars to upgrade your library with Ott plus what else is in this base package you don't own yet (note there could be an additional sale going on - check http://scripturestudysoftware.com/blog/ for coupon codes or contact Catholic Sales, they like to offer double digit percentages on Verbum)
Have joy in the Lord!
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Having purchased a Verbum package I can verify that Ott's work is not available. Do we know why?
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Nick Steffen said:
Having purchased a Verbum package I can verify that Ott's work is not available. Do we know why?
This seems to be a rights issue once again - Logos must have taken out this book from the page and every package it was in (which is bad, since RC users describe it as indispensable and the marketing blurb for Denziger's Sources of Catholic Dogma seems to agree when the author says: "This book [i.e. Denziger] should be on the shelves of every English-speaking Catholic, beside a copy of The Haydock Bible (The Douay-Rheims Old and New Testament) and Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma.").
Have joy in the Lord!
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How very disappointing. Regardless of the reasons, I do hope they become able to publish it again. It sounds wonderfully helpful.
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It's hard to believe that TAN books wouldn't welcome the chance to have their version on Logos.
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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Butters said:
It's hard to believe that TAN books wouldn't welcome the chance to have their version on Logos.
I'm pretty sure that Logos released this book under the impression that it was Public Domain. If TAN does indeed hold the copyright (the citation says Herder), that may have made them a bit upset.[:)]
But there have been TAN books added to prepub this year, so they can't be too upset. Maybe we'll see it again shortly.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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hmmmm....well the copy I have is the exact same as the Tan/Herder, but is from "Roman Catholic Books," lol. And no copyright page/citation or anything. So maybe they were pirating it too? Or maybe it's PD? I'm actually not sure who owns the copyright.
TAN is supposedly coming out with a newly-typset volume of the same; so I thought they might own the copyright. I don't know - all that sort of thing makes my head spin to be honest. [:O]
Cheers to you!
~Butters [:)]
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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Butters said:
TAN is supposedly coming out with a newly-typset volume of the same; so I thought they might own the copyright. I don't know - all that sort of thing makes my head spin to be honest.
Newly typesetting something can't give you a copyright on it, at 1957 publication date it could very well still be under CR but I do not know enough about CR law to say, heck at one time publishing it without CR info was enough to have it fall into into public domain.
-Dan
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Dan Francis said:
at one time publishing it without CR info was enough to have it fall into into public domain
I believe that was true in the US, so the translation as such may well be in PD, but Ott was German, so his copyright to the text itself should follow German law, or rather the Berne Convention, which the US has since signed. And since he died as late as 1985, I would assume that copyright is still valid.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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fgh said:Dan Francis said:
at one time publishing it without CR info was enough to have it fall into into public domain
I believe that was true in the US, so the translation as such may well be in PD, but Ott was German, so his copyright to the text itself should follow German law, or rather the Berne Convention, which the US has since signed. And since he died as late as 1985, I would assume that copyright is still valid.
I've never understood this - does this extend to the translation itself or is that a separate copyright and if so who owns that?
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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For a translation, the author has the copyright to his work, and the translator has the copyright to his work. To publish the book, you need permission from both.
Of course, both may have sold their copyright to someone else, and they may have sold the rights for different countries to different publishers. They may even have sold the hardback, paperback, audio and electronic rights to different publishers. And those publishers may have split, merged or sold the rights in their turn. All of which makes the whole thing a bit of a nightmare, as I understand it.
In this case it's possible that the translator's copyright has expired, while the author's is still in place. But that's just a guess.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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This title is now available as part of the Catholic Studies Bundles.
https://www.logos.com/product/37912/catholic-studies-bundle-ver-2-s
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elnwood said:
This title is now available as part of the Catholic Studies Bundles.
https://www.logos.com/product/37912/catholic-studies-bundle-ver-2-s
You may be getting the subject title mixed up with Denzinger's. Ott's work is not in the bundle.
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Steve said:elnwood said:
This title is now available as part of the Catholic Studies Bundles.
https://www.logos.com/product/37912/catholic-studies-bundle-ver-2-s
You may be getting the subject title mixed up with Denzinger's. Ott's work is not in the bundle.
What?!?! It's gone! They changed the page. I swear, they had Ott's "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma" under "New to Version 2" this morning.
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I hope they come about re-adding this resource, I would love a copy in Logos...I'm holding out on a physical copy in hopes it will be soon. [Y]
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