OT: Movie trailer "Out of Print" on the move from print to digital books
http://outofprintthemovie.com/
Narrated by Meryl Streep. This looks excellent! And should be of interest to all of us diving into the world of digital libraries.
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Interesting. I can't wait until it comes out on Youtube!
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Thanks to the internet and digital information, an unbelievable amount of knowledge is literally a few mouse clicks away. Never has this been possible in all of history. Yet, this ability is somehow making our culture "dumber". [:S]
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Josh said:
Thanks to the internet and digital information, an unbelievable amount of knowledge is literally a few mouse clicks away. Never has this been possible in all of history. Yet, this ability is somehow making our culture "dumber".
Yes, we know how to find reams of information online now, but information is not the same as knowledge, and knowledge is not the same as wisdom.
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Peace, Rosie! *smile*Rosie Perera said:Josh said:Thanks to the internet and digital information, an unbelievable amount of knowledge is literally a few mouse clicks away. Never has this been possible in all of history. Yet, this ability is somehow making our culture "dumber".
Yes, we know how to find reams of information online now, but information is not the same as knowledge, and knowledge is not the same as wisdom.
Thanks for your comments!
I find it humorous that the CIA has an unofficial motto in John 8:31, 32 -
(Please understand - This is in NO WAY a criticism! Not at all!) I just found it funny with all the information available ... just google it! *smile* --- knowledge is not necessarily truth, eh???
Well, for me Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life!
Source for my .png screenshot is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Josh said:
Yet, this ability is somehow making our culture "dumber".
Not only that 100 years from now at present pace maybe sooner, our accumulated knowledge will be destroyed because of some EMP or something. Stone lasts thousands of years, paper centuries media.. well hard to say but definitely more liability to being lost.
-dan
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Dan Francis said:
Not only that 100 years from now at present pace maybe sooner, our accumulated knowledge will be destroyed because of some EMP or something. Stone lasts thousands of years, paper centuries media.. well hard to say but definitely more liability to being lost.
When I was a kid, my mother used to impress upon me the importance of memorizing Scripture because someday our bibles might be taken away from us like what happened to Corrie ten Boom and her sister. They knew a lot of Scripture and it helped sustain them in the Nazi prison.
Nowadays, because so much information is available at our fingertips online, our memories don't get exercised as much. We figure we can always look something up if we need to know it again, including Bible passages. I find my own memory faltering at an alarming rate and I'm not that old yet.
Googling for information is definitely not the same as reading and learning it. I'm not saying reading/learning can't take place online, but our habits of reading have definitely changed over the decades. Now it's more likely to be jumping around from here to there, with hyperlinked books. The ability to read and pay attention to long pieces of literature or to follow a sustained argument is not taught as much anymore in our schools. And many people don't even understand that meaning of "argument" anymore (defense of a thesis statement); they think argument only means contentiousness.
I remember when I first saw the article "Is Google Making Us Stupid?" in The Atlantic magazine. It talked about this tendency to not be able to read long pieces of writing anymore without jumping around. I found myself in agreement with it, particularly since I noticed I was reading it by jumping through it reading only the first sentence of each paragraph! My own practice of scatterbrained reading demonstrated that Nicholas Carr was onto something! I have since gone back and read the whole thing, and also read his complete book The Shallows: What the Internet is Doing to Our Brains. Good points to ponder. I don't agree with all of it. I do think it is possible to train our brains to still do the more sustained or meditative kinds of reading in spite of all the online jumping and skipping that we do. But it's not easy.
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Since it's the Bush Center for Intelligence, maybe the motto should be, "Rarely is the question asked, 'Is our children learning?' "
If you reply, "Wrong Bush...that was his son," my response is, "Precisely!"
I still can't believe this guy was POTUS...twice.
Could we really do no better than this?
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Rosie Perera said:
I remember when I first saw the article "Is Google Making Us Stupid?" in The Atlantic magazine. It talked about this tendency to not be able to read long pieces of writing anymore without jumping around.
If you're interested in this subject, I highly recommend David Weinberger's Too Big to Know, which addresses the even bigger topic while (in my opinion) putting Carr-induced fears to rest.
Our tools for knowledge acquisition have always shaped our brains, our concept of knowledge, etc. Maybe there's nothing 'sacred' about the form of the book, other than our long familiarity with it as the definitive tool. Maybe the way the speed and network structure of the Internet are reshaping what it is to know something is no different than the way characteristics of a book (always 100+ pages, rarely more than 500, difficult to update / change / revise) shaped us in equally good and bad ways. (Maybe we're overly dogmatic, because we learn things from few people "who wrote the book on it." Maybe we're reluctant and slow to absorb and utilize new knowledge, because our delivery format has a long editorial cycle, doesn't allow authoritative works to be revised quickly, etc.)
Didn't movable-type change us? Didn't literacy (and expertise and authority) get freed from the very, very few who could read and had access to codices? Didn't the paperback change our experience of reading as leisure, and change who could afford to do it, in what quantity?
It's a fascinating subject, and something we're thinking and discussing a lot here. Can't wait to see the movie.
-- Bob
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David Paul said:
Since it's the Bush Center for Intelligence, maybe the motto should be, "Rarely is the question asked, 'Is our children learning?' "
If you reply, "Wrong Bush...that was his son," my response is, "Precisely!"
I still can't believe this guy was POTUS...twice.
Could we really do no better than this?
No, we couldn't, but we did a lot worse—twice. We elected someone who won't even show his transcripts and produced a fake birth certificate.
george
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David, let's not 'Mess with Texas'. Please remember it was the US that begged the Texas Republic to help out, by joining. And as a favor, W, after a swell Texas governorship and beating Ann Richards, spent some time on the Potomac, again to 'help out'.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Rosie Perera said:
... I was reading it by jumping through it reading only the first sentence of each paragraph! ...
Ever read Mortimer Adler's, How To Read A Book? http://www.amazon.com/How-Read-Book-Intelligent-Touchstone/dp/0671212095/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380555460&sr=8-1&keywords=how+to+read+a+book
Or, you could always pickup the audio book version: http://www.amazon.com/How-To-Read-Book-Intelligent/dp/1441741208/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1380555460&sr=8-2&keywords=how+to+read+a+book [;)]
Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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Rosie Perera said:
I remember when I first saw the article "Is Google Making Us Stupid?" in The Atlantic magazine. It talked about this tendency to not be able to read long pieces of writing anymore without jumping around. I found myself in agreement with it, particularly since I noticed I was reading it by jumping through it reading only the first sentence of each paragraph!
Getting away from politics and back to logos [:$]
(First attempt at copying a link, Hope this works)[:S]
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Peace, Mike! *smile*
It works very well indeed! Thank you! You bring back good memories since it must be almost 60 years ago I first read that! *smile* Also, I hadn't yet "found" it in my Logos library; and there it was .... !!!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Isn't this called skim reading? skim as in low-fat healthy way [:P]Rosie Perera said:I found myself in agreement with it, particularly since I noticed I was reading it by jumping through it reading only the first sentence of each paragraph!
Googling - ooh the irony - the phrase 'read the first sentence of each paragraph' (with/without quotes) yields many interesting results; most (all?) of which seem to indicate that this is actually a good thing.
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