No resources showing up as Latin-morph-tagged?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532570#Comment_532570

One thing I just thought of that might be relevant: I just reinstalled everything, and downloaded the Perseus resources (which were not on this computer before), and it is only now indexing (which, good night, is going to take forever). Perhaps the morph search can't search the Latin resources because they aren't indexed yet?

Dave Hooton

Wait for first time indexing to complete, but I would have thought that you could select latin morphological resources in Morph Search?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532596#Comment_532596

Nope, still nothing after indexing. None of the Perseus Latin resources or anything else Latin appears in the dropdown menu of morph-tagged resources. I looked specifically for Ab urbe condita, which should be near the top, but no, not there. And running a morph search with Logos Latin Morphology selected still turns up nothing.

Greg F

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532695#Comment_532695

It appears to work fine for me: I do a Morph Search with Logos Latin Morphology for "sum" and get about 2,800 hits. But perhaps that's not what you mean?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532698#Comment_532698

That is what I mean. I do a Morph Search with Logos Latin Morphology for "sum" and get 0 results. Same if I search for @N (any noun) or any other morphological order.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532715#Comment_532715

Joseph, I'm still somewhat unclear how this doesn't work for you (which is good to know if we want to elaborate into the why and then into the how to fix it).

So this is what I did for starters:

I opened one of the "Ab urbe condita" books, knowing they are morph-tagged for Latin (see right-hand-side tab in screenshot)
I selected one word (Aeneam) which I expected to come up in its morphed form (accusative singular, i.e. object case of ancient hero Aeneas' name) more than often, but not something as "cum" or "et"
I right clicked and took the opportunity to invoke a morph search from here
Logos opened the morph search (left-hand-side tab) to the specific resource and Latin morphology
I changed "Ab urbe condita 1-10" to my Perseus Latin collection (its rule is Perseus AND lang:latin but this step is optional) and ran it
Logos shows results - I scrolled a bit down.

Please try to do the same and share a screenshot

EDIT: I used the wrong lemma above, but anyway.

Alternative scenario:

I open the search, which shows Basic, All Text, all Library.
I restrict to my Perseus Latin collection and switch to Morph search
I enter @ and can input or click through to a morph code, then run it

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532719#Comment_532719

Hi, Nick. Thanks for your diligence. I followed your test to the letter, and got... nothing. Bizarrely nothing. The thing is not recognizing Latin resources at all.

I created the "Perseus Latin resources" collection as you did:

And then, tried the select it for a morph search as you did... and the newly created Latin collection doesn't even appear as an option to select in the resource dropdown, when I have "Logos Latin Morphology" selected (or anything else). (EDIT: And yes, I did try closing the search window and opening a new one after I created the collection.)

And doing a Latin morph search of any kind (here searching for any generic noun) results in no results. I do get the appropriate Latin verb forms when I go through the "@" menu, so the innards of the Latin morphology do appear to be working.

EDIT: The morphology innards are also working when I right click on the Latin text. It correctly recognizes what the forms are, but when I tell it to search for the very form I am selecting, I get 0 results.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532738#Comment_532738

Which kind of Base Package / Cross Grade do you have?
Can you invoke Logging and share a Logos.log from what you are doing above?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532757#Comment_532757

I started out with in August 2012 no base package, just Logos 4 and the Catholic Catechism package. Then in December I got the Logos 5 Verbum Foundations package. Then at the end of May I upgraded to the Verbum Scripture Study package.

When I pull up the "About" page, I'm told I have:

Logos Bible Software 5.1b SR-1 (5.1.2.0079) (Update channel: beta)

Licensed to: [me] (Core v.5 (IH))

And yes, here are my logs.

4760.LogosLogFiles_Richardson_2013-10-07a.zip

Thanks a bunch.

EDIT: Following upon your informative signature, I'm running Windows 8 Pro (64-bit) on a rather rickety ASUS EEEpc 1015 netbook.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532764#Comment_532764

Very strange. I'm running behind on 5.1.2.0020 but I don't think Logos broke something that big in a small RC. I have no idea how Win 8 / 64 bit may play here. And normally new collections can be used in the search...

Can you try to recreate my right-click morph search and share a picture (leaving aside the collection thing, just stick in Ab urbe... ).

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532766#Comment_532766

Sure. Here you go:

The morphology information at the bottom of the window appears at it should:

When I right-click, I get what I'm supposed to:

But not the results I'm supposed to.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532772#Comment_532772

not the results I'm supposed to.

This is weird. I wanted you to follow this in order to exclude any discrepancies (we had somebody inputting Lemma with a large L lately, and the search yielded zero), but I don't see any differences to my search:

I don't know in which of the datafiles listed under about the latin morphs are kept (if any) - but you may try the command "update resources" just in case this one file is missing or corrupt.

Otherwise I'm at the end of my Latin (German idiom? for having no further ideas). Maybe Dave comes back into this thread or someone else chimes in

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532766#Comment_532766

Very strange. I'm running behind on 5.1.2.0020 but I don't think Logos broke something that big in a small RC.

And they didn't. Went to the stable channel and upgraded to 5.1b SR-1 (5.1.2.0079) - still 272 results for lemma:Aeneas@NPASM

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532782#Comment_532782

Yes, I went to the beta channel only after I finished my latest upgrade (really only after I started noticing this problem).

I did "update resources" and it didn't seem to do anything. Still doesn't work, same as before.

Thanks for your help. I'm just relieved to know that I didn't break it, and will take solace in that perhaps my suffering might help the developers fix this and spare somebody else the trouble.

EDIT: No sooner than I speak, here's an update coming over the channel now. Have the Logos gnomes seen my plight and had mercy on me?

EDIT2: No such fortune. It was a beta release, 5.2 Beta 1 (5.2.0008), but it did nothing to fix my problem.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532786#Comment_532786

Perhaps I should try wiping the whole installation and re-installing? It's a worth a shot.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532827#Comment_532827

Try rebuild bible index in the Command box first.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532850#Comment_532850

Too late. [:P] I'll let you know how it goes.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532715#Comment_532715

That is what I mean. I do a Morph Search with Logos Latin Morphology for "sum" and get 0 results. Same if I search for @N (any noun) or any other morphological order.

You don't happen to be restricting your search to a certain Bible Passage do you? That will give you zero results:

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532854#Comment_532854

No, I was searching for all passages in all resources. See the screenshots.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532859#Comment_532859

My computer is about a third of the way through re-downloading my resources. I'll let it run overnight and see how it does in the morning.

In the meantime, something occurred to me that might or might not be relevant: All the while I've been having this problem with Logos 5, I've been running Logos 4 on another computer with the same account and resources. Might they be having a conflict somehow?

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532902#Comment_532902

I've been running Logos 4 on another computer with the same account and resources. Might they be having a conflict somehow?

No, because resource attributes come from the Logos server. If everything works in Logos 4 it shows that the problem is local to your Logos 5.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532902#Comment_532902

If re-installing doesn't work, can you test a basic search for <lemma = lbs/la/sum>. If that succeeds (which I suspect it will), then it suggests that the problem is that the library catalog isn't properly recognising the 'supports-lbs-morph+la' trait when adding resources to your library.

For others helping to diagnose, can you tell me whether you can morph search Augustine's Letters and Confessions. I can't do that on mine, although I can do it for Perseus. We need to know whether that's a resource bug (no-one can morph search that work), or another manifestation of whatever bug Joseph is experiencing.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532999#Comment_532999

Re-installing did fix it -- at least the problem I was having before. I can now do a Latin morph search, either from the search tab or from right-clicking a Latin-morph-tagged resource, and correctly get results.

But you're right; Augustine's Letters and Confessions is not showing up as Latin-morph-tagged, even after re-installing. I get the Latin morphology in the text bar at the bottom of the screen (what is the proper term for that, anyway?), and can do a productive morph-search from right-clicking on it, but it neither pulls up any results from Augustine, nor does Augustine appear in the list of Latin-morph-tagged resources in the dropdown menu of the search tab.

Some more context for my previous problem: It does appear that you were correct and my resources weren't being properly marked or recognized as Latin-morph-tagged. Here's what I suspect happened: I was using this computer, the netbook, months ago, until it developed some nasty hardware problems, and I ended up removing the hard drive and putting a new HD in it with Ubuntu. The other day I put the original (Windows 8) HD back in, with the previous installation of Logos 5 still intact, and let it run updates. The result is that I had a previous version of Logos 5 installed (5.0-something I suspect, though it may have been the first-release 5.1), with many resources, including I think the Perseus ones, that had been previously downloaded. So when I installed the new 5.1b, it did not correctly go back through and mark the previously-downloaded resources it should have marked as Latin-morph-tagged.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/533024#Comment_533024

Re-installing did fix it

Glad to hear that!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/533024#Comment_533024

The other day I put the original (Windows 8) HD back in, with the previous installation of Logos 5 still intact, and let it run updates. The result is that I had a previous version of Logos 5 installed (5.0-something I suspect, though it may have been the first-release 5.1), with many resources, including I think the Perseus ones, that had been previously downloaded. So when I installed the new 5.1b, it did not correctly go back through and mark the previously-downloaded resources it should have marked as Latin-morph-tagged.

That's a helpful diagnosis, and makes sense. Latin morphology was not in 5.0, and only arrived later in 5.1. I don't know exactly why the catalog wasn't updated correctly, but if the devs are watching, perhaps they can work it out. (I'm going to guess that the bug occurs if the Perseus resources are updated in 5.0, rather than in 5.1).

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532999#Comment_532999

For others helping to diagnose, can you tell me whether you can morph search Augustine's Letters and Confessions. I can't do that on mine, although I can do it for Perseus.

Using Logos 5.2 Beta 1 on Windows 7, can right click in St. Augustine to choose Morph Search that cannot find results in St. Augustine, but can find results in Perseus.

By the way, morph search results are the same for All Resources and Language:Latin collection.

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Thomas Ball

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532999#Comment_532999

If re-installing doesn't work, can you test a basic search for <lemma = lbs/la/sum>. If that succeeds (which I suspect it will), then it suggests that the problem is that the library catalog isn't properly recognising the 'supports-lbs-morph+la' trait when adding resources to your library.

For others helping to diagnose, can you tell me whether you can morph search Augustine's Letters and Confessions. I can't do that on mine, although I can do it for Perseus. We need to know whether that's a resource bug (no-one can morph search that work), or another manifestation of whatever bug Joseph is experiencing.

Mark, were you doing the morph search from the context menu in one of the Latin Augustine texts? I tried that and was able to get results for "Verses" and "Aligned," but it rendered no results for "Analysis."

This a search through my whole library though. I creatd a collection of just the St. Augustine texts and it won't show up in the "Search in" drop down for morph search.

I'll see if there is a case about this.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/533755#Comment_533755

I'll see if there is a case about this.

I reported it as a bug here, but there's been no response yet: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/76217.aspx

Thomas Ball

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/533761#Comment_533761

I reported it to Dev and linked to this thread (for these books not appearing as an option in Morph search and the issue where Analysis view doesn't generate when search from the context menu). Had I known about your other thread I would have included that. Sorry.

Angela Murashov

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/533765#Comment_533765

I reported it to Dev and linked to this thread (for these books not appearing as an option in Morph search

This issue will be fixed in 5.2 Beta 2.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/536911#Comment_536911

I reported it to Dev and linked to this thread (for these books not appearing as an option in Morph search

This issue will be fixed in 5.2 Beta 2.

Unable to verify fix using Logos 5.2 Beta 2

Noticed Select Letters of St. Jerome: Latin Text in "The Loeb Classical Library: Latin" series (recent library addition) now appears in search results along with Perseus resources.

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/537950#Comment_537950

Noticed Select Letters of St. Jerome: Latin Text in "The Loeb Classical Library: Latin" series (recent library addition) now appears in search results along with Perseus resources.

Using Logos 5.2 SR 3, learned Morph Search does not find lemma:dominus@NCVSM in "St. Augustine’s Confessions, vol. 1: Latin Text.", but Basic Search does:

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