Greek Question--Need Input on Reconciling Reconciliation

Strong has an aspect of two related words found Rom. 5:10, 11, that I do not find in other lexicons. The order of the words as they are found in Romans is reversed from the order below...2643 is in verse 11 & 2644 is in verse 10. They are also both found in 2 Cor. 5:18.

2643 καταλλαγή [katallage /kat·al·lag·ay/] n f. From 2644; TDNT 1:258; TDNTA 40; GK 2903; Four occurrences; AV translates as “reconciliation” twice, “atonement” once, and “reconciling” once. 1 exchange. 1a of the business of money changers, exchanging equivalent values. 2 adjustment of a difference, reconciliation, restoration to favour. 2a in the NT of the restoration of the favour of God to sinners that repent and put their trust in the expiatory death of Christ.

2644 καταλλάσσω [katallasso /kat·al·las·so/] v. From 2596 and 236; TDNT 1:254; TDNTA 40; GK 2904; Six occurrences; AV translates as “reconcile” six times. 1 to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value. 1a to reconcile (those who are at variance). 1b return to favour with, be reconciled to one. 1c to receive one into favour.

My question is whether Strong is onto something the others have missed (I've seen it happen before), or has he missed the boat?

Thanks.

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David Paul

Gonna bump this...maybe some early riser will have some input.

DMB

I doubt you'll ever know. Spending quite a bit of time in Ugarit, thense Assyria, and thense Aramea, I suspect the relationship to the gods (Theos here) is far different from now. A greek word that stands in for a local theological concept is almost impossible to nail down 2,000 years later.

A major clue shows up in the Targums where actions on earth 'trade' for actions in heaven (confirmed by Jesus to the rich). Being rewarded with 'good' on earth reduces 'good' in heaven (a problem Abraham was struggling with).

I purposely chose this example because most NT exegesis uses a greek/roman view of a court proceding (best illustrated by watching the hebrew move to the greek in the LXX).

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/541785#Comment_541785

Gonna bump this...

Ditto. Specifically, is anyone aware of a tie to the exchange of currency Strong mentions?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/542000#Comment_542000

Sin: A History by Gary A. Anderson has a chapter or two on sin as debt which is very relevant.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/542000#Comment_542000

While you're bumping, I decided to use my brand spanking new NIDOTTE and its semantic fields funcionality (which has a Libronix version!). Recognizing this is today's OT, but Paul's Bible at the time.

Reconciliation → כָּפַר (cover, paint, smear, atone, appease, #4105; כֹּפֶר, bribe, ransom, #4111; כִּפֻּרִים, atonement, #4113; כַּפֹּרֶת, mercy seat, cover, #4114); → שָׁלֵם (have satisfaction, repay, reward, retribute, make peace, #8966; שָׁלוֹם, peace, friendship, happiness, prosperity, health, salvation, #8934; שִׁלּוּם, repayment, retribution, #8936; שְׁלָם, agreement, #8967; שֶׁלֶם, repayment, retribution, #8968; שָׁלֵם, uninjured, safe, complete, peaceable, #8969; שִׁלֻּמָה, repayment, retribution, #8974); see *Peace; Priests; *Tabernacle

VanGemeren, W. (1998). New international dictionary of Old Testament theology & exegesis (5:155-156). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House.

George Somsel

Strong has an aspect of two related words found Rom. 5:10, 11, that I do not find in other lexicons. The order of the words as they are found in Romans is reversed from the order below...2643 is in verse 11 & 2644 is in verse 10. They are also both found in 2 Cor. 5:18.

2643 καταλλαγή [katallage /kat·al·lag·ay/] n f. From 2644; TDNT 1:258; TDNTA 40; GK 2903; Four occurrences; AV translates as “reconciliation” twice, “atonement” once, and “reconciling” once. 1 exchange. 1a of the business of money changers, exchanging equivalent values. 2 adjustment of a difference, reconciliation, restoration to favour. 2a in the NT of the restoration of the favour of God to sinners that repent and put their trust in the expiatory death of Christ.

2644 καταλλάσσω [katallasso /kat·al·las·so/] v. From 2596 and 236; TDNT 1:254; TDNTA 40; GK 2904; Six occurrences; AV translates as “reconcile” six times. 1 to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value. 1a to reconcile (those who are at variance). 1b return to favour with, be reconciled to one. 1c to receive one into favour.

My question is whether Strong is onto something the others have missed (I've seen it happen before), or has he missed the boat?

Thanks.

καταλλάσσω, Att. -άττω, change money, SEG26.13 (Attica, c.440/20 b.c.), Plu.Arat.18, etc. (also in Med., D.19.114:—Pass., Matreas ap.Ath.1.19b, with a play on signf. ii); change or give away, τὴν χάριν τῶν νόμων for the laws, Din.3.21 (s.v.l.); καταλλάσσειν τὸν βίον to leave life, Ael.VH5.2.

b. abs., transgress, contravene regulations, IG5(2).3.2 (Tegea).

2. Med., exchange one thing for another, ἡδονὰς πρὸς ἡδονάς Pl.Phd.69a; ἀντί τινος πάντα ibid., cf. Phld.Vit.Herc.1457.10; βίον πρὸς μικρὰ κέρδη Arist.EN1117^b20; τι ἐπʼ ἀργυρίῳ Hdn.2.13.6: abs., exchange prisoners, D.C.Fr.57.36.

II. change a person from enmity to friendship, reconcile, σφέας Hdt.5.29, cf. 95, 6.108; κ. τινὰς πρὸς ἀλλήλους Arist.Oec.1348^b9; θεὸς κόσμον κ. ἑαυτῷ 2Ep.Cor.5.19:—Med., καταλλάσσεσθαι τὴν ἔχθρην τινί to make up one’s enmity with any one, Hdt.1.61, cf. 7.145:—Pass., esp. in aor. κατηλλάχθην or κατηλλάγην (former preferred by Trag., latter in Prose), to become reconciled, τινι E.IA1157, X.An.1.6.1, etc.; πρὸς ἀλλήλους Th.4.59; θεοῖσιν ὡς καταλλαχθῇ χόλου that he may be reconciled to them after his anger, S.Aj.744; κ. πρός τινα ἐκ διαφορᾶς Ael.VH2.21.

2. Pass., of an offence, to be atoned for, φόνον ἐπιγαμίαις μὴ καταλλάσσεσθαι μηδὲ χρήμασιν OGI218.105 (Ilium, iii b.c.).

Liddell, Henry George, Robert Scott, Henry Stuart Jones, and Roderick McKenzie. A Greek-English Lexicon. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1996.

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/542258#Comment_542258

You, sir, are a scholar and a gentlemen. Liddell is probably the only one I didn't check. Thanks.

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/542031#Comment_542031

Sin: A History by Gary A. Anderson has a chapter or two on sin as debt which is very relevant.

MJ, is that in Logos? I can't locate it. Thanks.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/542710#Comment_542710

MJ, is that in Logos?

Unfortunately, no. It has been suggested.

Donnie Hale

My question is whether Strong is onto something the others have missed (I've seen it happen before), or has he missed the boat?

My recommended resource on this question (along with "propitiation" and "redemption") is "The Apostolic Preaching of the Cross" by Leon Morris. Not in Logos, that I've found.

Donnie

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/542774#Comment_542774

Thanks. I think I asked Logos to offer that myself about a year or so ago. I haven't read it, but your observation makes me want to all the more.