Right click a word and easier access to BDAG

Wayne
Wayne Member Posts: 175
edited December 2024 in English Forum

I frequently right click a word to open the Bible Study drop down box. At times I would just like to open BDAG. Presently I have to scroll down to open BDAG. I would like for the top 3-5 lexical resources to be already in the box when opening without needing to scroll down to the lexicon of choice.

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  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,729

    Hi Wayne

    I get the top 5 lexicons shown as below

    What are you seeing?

    Graham 

  • Justin Cofer
    Justin Cofer Member Posts: 222 ✭✭

    Just prioritize BDAG and doubleclick on any Greek word in your NA 27 or UBS 4.  BDAG will automatically open to the right lemma.

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,747 ✭✭✭

    Graham and especially Justin's answers seem to solve the BDAG issue.  But Wayne's larger point of the lexicons not showing is becoming a progressively bigger headache, especially if you use a touch-screen.

    When L4 first came out, typically you could see 3+ lexicons at the bottom. Now you can't see any.   If only one lexicon is always sought (eg BDAG), then the direct-click (Justin above) is the solution. But I use several, depending on the type of word (regular usage, theological usage, likely historical usage, etc).

    Appears to me that Bob's plan for simplified menuing (trying to best the Libronix boys) is slowly driving toward the sunset.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,729

    Hi Denise

    Denise said:

    When L4 first came out, typically you could see 3+ lexicons at the bottom. Now you can't see any.

    But in my screenshot above I show five lexicons.

    Can you expand a bit on what you are seeing? Is it a screen size issue on smaller (maybe tablet) devices or something else?

    Graham 

  • David Paul
    David Paul Member Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭

    Denise said:

    ...(trying to best the Libronix boys) is slowly driving toward the sunset.

    Unfortunately, I think that will always be a receding mirage...certainly as far as I'm concerned.

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  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,747 ✭✭✭

    Graham, it depends on what you're right-clicking on.  The first screen shot below is from UBS4; the second from an NA27 interlinear. But your example does appear to be more expansive.  My screens's normal diameter for a portable - 10".  Now, by deleting my documents (eg the extra Bible word study), I can get half a lexicon (though I have to use my pinky).

    ..

    ..

    OT: It's interesting that Liddell intermediate could pick up the 1st example, in addition to the analytics.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • George Somsel
    George Somsel Member Posts: 10,153 ✭✭✭

    Denise said:

    Graham, it depends on what you're right-clicking on.  The first screen shot below is from UBS4; the second from an NA27 interlinear. But your example does appear to be more expansive.  My screens's normal diameter for a portable - 10".  Now, by deleting my documents (eg the extra Bible word study), I can get half a lexicon (though I have to use my pinky).

    What happens if you click on "lemma" in the 2nd example?

    george
    gfsomsel

    יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,747 ✭✭✭

    George, maybe I'm misunderstanding?  The second example has 'lemma' selected.

    But I did go ahead and click on it just to see if it would expand the panel.  Nada.

    I also wondered if the layout was the issue or literal position of the right-click. I opened a full screen resource and got the same right-click size.  Screen certainly isn't a limiter, but Graham's seems to be different.  

    I wonder if when they put in the community stuff, that created a different default menu size?  I have community turned off, and of course I'm offline for months.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • George Somsel
    George Somsel Member Posts: 10,153 ✭✭✭

    Denise said:

    George, maybe I'm misunderstanding?  The second example has 'lemma' selected.

    But I did go ahead and click on it just to see if it would expand the panel.  Nada.

    I also wondered if the layout was the issue or literal position of the right-click. I opened a full screen resource and got the same right-click size.  Screen certainly isn't a limiter, but Graham's seems to be different.  

    I wonder if when they put in the community stuff, that created a different default menu size?  I have community turned off, and of course I'm offline for months.

    Denise, I'm not going to open an interlinear even for you.  Have you tried a REAL OL NA27 text?

    george
    gfsomsel

    יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,747 ✭✭✭

    George ... I'm surprised at you. The first example is 'real' ... not burdened with all those morpho-crutches.  The second one has training wheels.

    But to demonstrate your request, NA27 w/morphs is below.  Don't you love the subtle rippling italics changes, as it moves down the text?  So I use USB4.  At least it's more obvious!

    ..

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • George Somsel
    George Somsel Member Posts: 10,153 ✭✭✭

    Denise said:

    George ... I'm surprised at you. The first example is 'real' ... not burdened with all those morpho-crutches.  The second one has training wheels.

    But to demonstrate your request:

    ..

    And if you pull the "slider" (not a hamburger) down on the left (what's below "Add Lemma to Word List"?

    george
    gfsomsel

    יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,747 ✭✭✭

    Lexicons!!  

    But you may have missed the point.   Getting to the lexicons always requires using the slider. And on a touch-screen, that's a pain and a half.

    And as David seems to agree above, at least Libronix menus didn't demand sliders.  They work quite well with touch (indeed better than with a mouse).

    But even ignoring the touchy-feely part, Graham's seems to be better.  Why can't I have Graham's??

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • George Somsel
    George Somsel Member Posts: 10,153 ✭✭✭

    Denise said:

    But you may have missed the point.   Getting to the lexicons always requires using the slider. And on a touch-screen, that's a pain and a half.

    Would you like a bandage for your finger?  [;)]

    george
    gfsomsel

    יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,747 ✭✭✭

    Ha!  The world of 'touch' is getting progressively crazier.  Yesterday, I had my PC-touch using a PC stylus, my iPad using a regular iPad stylus, and another Bluetooth stylus too (app-specific, you know), and they were all getting mixed up.  It was hillarious, this modern technology.

    I solved it, by putting them away.  But no bandage needed, thanks.

    Now if our good friend Graham can have mercy on at least some of us, by gifting us a longer right-click menu for Christmas. That'd be great!!

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

    Denise said:

    Why can't I have Graham's??

    Because your screen is smaller than his, so your menu is correspondingly smaller.

    This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,747 ✭✭✭

    Mark ... I don't want to be impertinent, but neither Graham's nor mine even remotely cover the length of the screen.  Indeed, my right-click menu covers exactly half of the Logos drawable window (though the popup can extend outside the Logos window).  Even if I scruntch the Logos window down tiny, the menu size remains fixed.  

    I'm still guessing it's the community stuff that expands it.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,729

    Hi Denise

    Apologies for dropping out of the conversation - church Christmas party and evening service!

    I'm not sure what is causing the difference but don't understand the reference to "community stuff". I can't see any community material in any of our screen shots.

    Are you able to clarify?

    Graham

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,747 ✭✭✭

    Hope the party was fun. And nice for a evening service too.

    Your screen pic, in the lower right as the various 'community' selections. Mine are turned off plus I'm off-line. I'm just guessing when they built that functionality, they didn't want to expand the default popup for all uses since it'd create a lot of empty space.  So in mine, without the community lines, it's the earlier shorter version?

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Kent
    Kent Member Posts: 529

    A place of study with a desktop and multiple monitors makes life nicer

  • David Paul
    David Paul Member Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭

    Denise said:

    And as David seems to agree above, at least Libronix menus didn't demand sliders.

    Oh, it's far more than just that. L3 is the cutting edge of transhumanism! [8-|] L5 is a search engine. [:S] With my L3 notes, I am a veritable cyborg [H] ...with L5, I'm not entirely in the dark. [:^)]

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  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

    Denise said:

    Mark ... I don't want to be impertinent, but neither Graham's nor mine even remotely cover the length of the screen.  Indeed, my right-click menu covers exactly half of the Logos drawable window (though the popup can extend outside the Logos window).  Even if I scruntch the Logos window down tiny, the menu size remains fixed.  

    I'm still guessing it's the community stuff that expands it.

    I don't wish to be impertinent either, but the amount of information on the menu is determined by the screen resolution. It's easy to check. Just reduce your screen resolution (or increase program scaling) and you will get less information visible on the menu.

    This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,747 ✭✭✭

    Well, I believe you're right.  Now to get down to the Walmart for a magnifying glass (my spouse already using one on the Chromebook).

    Logos never ceases to amaze.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Wayne said:

    I frequently right click a word to open the Bible Study drop down box. At times I would just like to open BDAG. Presently I have to scroll down to open BDAG. I would like for the top 3-5 lexical resources to be already in the box when opening without needing to scroll down to the lexicon of choice.

    Personally wish for Program Settings so could customize order of Right Click Menu items (similar to Home Page drag and drop customization) so less used items would be lower on left hand side:

    Both "Search this Resource" and "Morph Search" do a search of this resource (Bible and Morph).  Personally would prefer for prioritized Lexicons to appear earlier (not like need to scroll down to see top 5 while wishing list could be expanded a bit, up to 12).  Right click menu has redundant entry for Lookup and highest prioritized lexicon; both open the same headword in the same resource (with automatic placement of tab location).  Noted "Lookup" and "Lookup in a new tab" are similar; new tab can open another copy of highest prioritized lexicon.

    Keep Smiling [:)]

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,729

    Hi Wayne

    Wayne said:

    I frequently right click a word to open the Bible Study drop down box. At times I would just like to open BDAG. Presently I have to scroll down to open BDAG. I would like for the top 3-5 lexical resources to be already in the box when opening without needing to scroll down to the lexicon of choice.

    Is this discussion helping answer your original question?

    Graham 

  • Wayne
    Wayne Member Posts: 175

    I typically use ESV or NKJV and frequently want to look up the word in the original. What I on screen is what is shown below. BDAG is prioritized and comes up when I scroll down, but I would like for it to appear in the initial drop down window. I am using a 14 inch monitor. Sorry I wasn't active yesterday, but was busy with family and church activities. Edit: In my post the print screen is appearing, but when I go to read it doesn't appear. I have never used Print Screen in the forum and not sure what additional steps are lacking.

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,729

    Wayne said:

    Sorry I wasn't active yesterday, but was busy with family and church activities.

    No problem[:)]

    Wayne said:

    Edit: In my post the print screen is appearing, but when I go to read it doesn't appear. I have never used Print Screen in the forum and not sure what additional steps are lacking

    Normally it just involves uploading the picture using the paperclip icon - more details at http://wiki.logos.com/Screenshot

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,729

    Wayne said:

    I typically use ESV or NKJV and frequently want to look up the word in the original

    One other way of doing this is using the Information Tool

    Below I have clicked on the word "flesh" and as you can see this brings up a link to BDAG (this is currently my highest priority Greek lexicon) in the info panel from where you can click on BDAG and get the complete article

    You can customise the settings in the Information tool to select what actually gets displayed.

  • Wayne
    Wayne Member Posts: 175

    Thanks Graham! I will experiment with the Information Window. I would still like to see the popup window from the right click to be enlarged or enable the size to be customized.

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,729

    Wayne said:

    I would still like to see the popup window from the right click to be enlarged or enable the size to be customized.

    Understood - did you work out how to update your screenshot so we can see what you are seeing?

  • Wayne
    Wayne Member Posts: 175

    I was doing a paste and didn't use the upload feature. But this shows what I am getting and what I would like is for the prioritized lexicon to show up when I first open the drop down menu. Wayne