Logos /Verbum and feeling very upset, please advise

Personally I think the OP does raise a valid concern.   Those who have used the apps from the start understand how they work.   When you look at the advertising on the Verbum page it says you can pick up where you left off from the desktop app and for more information gives you a link to the standard iPhone app web page, not a Verbum app specific page.  On this page it tell you the app runs passage guides etc.   There is no mention of needing to be connected to the Logos servers for the passage guide etc to run on the app.   It is not until you go to the support page for the apps, click on the FAQ's and start reading them do Logos bother to tell users you need to be connected to the internet for things like passage guide to work.  Logos marketing does leaving me a bit concerned at times because they are not upfront and specific about this sort of information.  You have to dig deeper to find it out.  I really think this limitation of the apps needs to be explicitly stated in the front advertising material and not buried in the support material that the average new customer is not going to go and read until after they have made a purchase.  Even when you watch the video about the app the show you all the slick features but fail to tell you they do not work offline.  I clearly understand the OP's frustration and disappointment.  

I do hope though the OP can find a way to make the situation for him and stick with Logos, adverstising aside they offer a great product and there is a great team of people behind the development of the mobile apps, desktop apps and resources and of course a great sales support team.

The guides do not work offline, nor have they ever done so. They are run from the Logos servers. Im unsure about the Verbum advertising, but I have never seen anything that suggests that they can. 

I'm not too much displeased by Logos mobile inconvenients, you know, because the Passage Guide can be launched at home, or wherever you find an WiFi and then you can keep it on.

Later I decided to sort all my commentaries and I prepared a list of commentaries by Bible Book (a textfile on iPad notepad) and a list of Hot Resources I want to check all the time I study some passage (like Boice, Word Pictures, Word Studies, Lightfoot, Holman, NAC, Wiersbe and Rosscup).

NOTE ----- If logos can provide a sorted, tagged, list of my books, instead of letting me work it through logos for PC/MAC or by myself --- VERY APPRECIATED

So far I'm fine with using my personal list of resources, and some tags I put on with the PC/MAC app (like mydict which lists all dictionaries I love to check, like TDNT, NIDOTTE, NIDNTT, VINE, BDB, TLOT, TLNT,...)

The only regret is I couldn't work well how to study original languages, fastly and with curiosity. This is the only regret about the logos app, and this is the only reason why I recently bought the Accordance.com package, and now I use for the Hebrew/Greek works, together as a companion with my huge Logos library. The complement each other, and it works smoothly now.

Hope I helped.

I'd think Prayer Lists makes sense on a mobile more so than a desktop.  And when you google the Apple store, prayer seems to be pretty important. At least to developers anyway (can't see the unit sales).  There's also an Islam app that has a prayer section. I thought that was interesting (though Jeremiah's no-god discussion may apply on that app). 

I'd think there's either an app or expansion of the present ones, that would fit well between 'Logos' and Proclaim (ie believers' daily life).

Thanks, Drew!

The page does say it syncs across all your devices then it says web enabled devices

Thats not what they advertise Alabama, Im looking at the page right now, they indicate you will be linked across platforms, that your tools will work.
Nothing posted next to "guides" that indicates you cannot use it unless on wifi.

Funny thing, Accordance has no problems running a fully featured "iOS version" of their software, without wifi.

Of course, you have to decide which modules you want to download rather than have in the cloud, thats true for both companies.

I love my iPad air, I hate Logos on it, it's horrible, useless  and I feel, as they have on so many issues, Logos has used "bait" advertising and not deliver on what one expects.

I am a very unhappy customer, that is very, very tired of Logos behaviors and thinking they  get a pass because people think they are a Christian company. If they want to be Christian about things, they need to be more forthright and honest than anyone else.

There should be a big note all over they place indicating there are "no tools unless connected to internet".
That is their responsibility as any court would declare.

Logos has many faults in its marketing but this is not one of them, it really is not their fault that you did not read the adverts properly and have unrealistic expectations.

The Logos app implementation is fairly good and it is getting noticeably better.  

I get the feeling Chuck doesn't read all the forums.  Tsk, tsk.  Everyone knows, before you 'buy', you need to research the whole Logos site for any tidbits the marketing team kind of left out. Then come to the forum and put your flak helmet on, and ask.  This is just (Logos) common sense.

Early in my Logos forum career (2009), I thought like Tom.  Now I don't. It's just post-modernism.  "If we didn't say it but there was sort of two words that might hint at it, then we said it."  "And you shouldn't be even slightly miffed either."

I still think Marketing would do well to submit the copy to normal people at Logos with a red-pen supplied gratis.

The marketing and other users sometimes create needs I didn't have.
There are much more people thinking AND saying on the forums that You should buy all kinds of things. It's more rare to get to know opinions on what exactly out of everything that is recommended, to buy, as well as get traction for some collections, modern era Bibles and improvement of existing books:

Tsk, tsk.  Everyone knows, before you 'buy', you need to research the whole Logos site for any tidbits the marketing team kind of left out.

I have both Libronix, Logos and Accordance, and it's hard to know which books to buy and use in which one.

But I don't have unrealistic expectations, so I've been positively surprised about the ease and thereby also spent more than I will read or fully utilize.

EDIT: no I don't have an iPad, have not been thinking I would need one and have not been willing to support Apple and I still hesitate to. Will perhaps use Gk on an iPad with Accordance sometime in the future, at least a few years from now.

5. Had I known, I might well have bought an iPad with 4g capabilities so that while traveling, Logos would not be worthless to me as a tool.

I would suggest you think of suggest you turn on hot spot and link your iPad to your iPhone. That way as long as you have your phone and a signal you will be able to have access. I will agree with you at least a basic Passage guide should be a core feature not requiring the internet but I am not sure it will ever be integrated into Logos mobile.

-Dan

 I will agree with you at least a basic Passage guide should be a core feature not requiring the internet but I am not sure it will ever be integrated into Logos mobile.

I think it will. I just don't know if it is 5 months or 5 years away. 

Exactly my point. And all these features we are waiting on are NOT where Logos makes their profit. While I am sure Logos works on these promised features, they are evidently not a very high priority. There is nothing surprising or unethical about the relationship between priority and profit. It is a fact of life in the business world.

But we have been waiting for years, and I grew tired of it. When I found an alternative way of achieving what I needed Logos to do, I jumped on it.

Why disagree when you are agreeing with me? 

In fact, I personally couldnt wait for a easy quick way to study original languages, like strong's number and so...so I jumped and bought an accordance package.

Now I'm happily using both logos and accordance for each one with its use. Logos is my library, devotional, daily study, dig, discipleship and reading. Accordance for dictionarynd hard greek/hebrew work. No hard time anymore.

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Yes, Logos is way ahead in resources - although I sure wish I would get that New Interpreter's Dictionary on the Bible which is on pre-pub - a lot of more orders needed! I'll have to use the NIDB as printed matter meanwhile (got it on a sale brand new in the summer, from Cokesbury). One Bible dictionary is included in L5 Bronze, and one smaller in Accordance Starter but those are often insufficient - better than nothing and I guess they weren't too big additional costs when they were included.

I've heard others too say that Accordance would be good for hard Greek work (possibly Hebrew too I don't do that language so I wouldn't know) but I will wait until NA29 is released to get a Gk NT. I mainly use the copy of the UBS Translator's Handbook which I got used and New English Translation of the Septuagint when I'm using Accordance.

I'm having a second thought, I really don't think I'll afford an iPad for the next 10 years (for Accordance).