Creating a budget and cancelling orders
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bump! I still have the same considerations regarding my purchases. Would be glad to discuss Your situation in the Faithlife group. Let's help each other out!
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bump!
Unix cancelled the big pre-pubs (all above ~$109), except the $139.95 NIDB and the $187 Eerdmans Biblical Interpretation Collection (13 vols.).There is a new relevant post which all might want to read: Re: Black Friday Sales Posted!
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Denise said:
Then Ray says 'there's a better way'.
Book caché is one, but there's an even way better way: Set money aside on your own bank account every week or month just for books or upgrades and in the end if you choose not to buy a book you can still use YOUR money to purchase other stuff whereas with Book Caché you can't do that and is not refundable - you have to spend it on Logos no if's, but's about it.
Personally, I'm saving some to get the resources I want, meanwhile, I'll settle for what I have and just get a few resources here and there whenever they're on sale.
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Unix, that is the danger with denominational base-package upgrade temptations!:
... Your current offer is:Unix said:Don't fall pray for the thought that "My library is weak on x ..."!
if Your library is weak on something for years, that's a good sign.
... tell that it was me who referred You and I get a bonus.A base-package such as that one gives You a little bit from several viewpoints/areas of study, as You can quickly glance from the structure of the package - especially when it comes to the areas the non-public-domain books cover. The package is highly apologetic in nature. Besides the fact that You would really have to discern a lot, You would unfortunately be supporting publishers and authors that have written things contradictory to Your beliefs and lifestyle - the latter part may not be desirable.
Base-packages are about convenience really. Use more brain-power to choose just the books You absolutely must have, for less than $128 - or actually a lot less as You have not planned to buy a lot. I saw You wrote about the Reverse Interlinear NRSV Apocrypha today: http://www.christianforums.com/t7789640-post64592763/#post64592763 ... that is included in Foundations+ Upgrade. You almost bought it in pre-pub. It's sort of even cheaper when included in a base package. But all the value of it basically boils down to Sirach only and who know how it handles the passages that were best preserved in Hebrew?
An example of something You are opposed to (other than Mary) is the veneration of Saints.
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The next day I got 50% off the Devotionals Topical Bundle, and an additional ¢63 off the base-package, but You didn't get a bonus since I bonus is only possible if user STARTS with a base-package (may have other types of resources since before but not base-packages).
I just saw this:
Source: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/79201/554062.aspx#554062Donovan R. Palmer said:I will say that if you do general research, these deals are usually pretty good for 'feeding' Logos some inexpensive data to search through when you are doing a research project. Anything less than a $1.50 per volume, if I can afford it, starts to become a consideration for me under this purpose alone. This mega deal volumes were running .79 cents each for me under dynamic pricing.
I would definitely say that it's good to set a limit how much You are willing to spend a page and a volume but that it's really important to combine that with expecting 60% off. What I mean is, take that figure as an example, You should expect the deal to cost 60% off $1½ = ¢60 a volume! The source for this is that it applies to stock-trading where You may even have to expect 70% off. 60% is realistic for books.When is that achieved? Well for example if You broaden Your interests to every volume in a Collection instead of an individual volume, and the Collection goes on a sale, or if the regular price of an individual title either first drops and then goes on a 50% daily twitter deal sale, or if the regular price is lower than what it costs as printed used without underlines or highlightings and goes on a 50% daily twitter deal sale.
I have also seen 75% off in the March Madness sale. However I did not want those titles, for example one popular one because I don't conform with the masses and I thought that any amount of money spent on it is a waste because I can guarantee there will come a newer competing title in the future which replaces it, or a new Edition of it (perhaps with new editors/authors). Instead I used the March Madness sale to get 30% (the smallest discount) off a less broadly popular author (one volume from a topical series), 30% off an inexpensive title, 30% off a title I had desired for some time, and 50% off a title by a popular author - the previous year the titles by that author went for 75% off but I don't know whether this title was included back then. Nowadays I would expect a little better prices OR discount on titles I can't live without.One occasion where it might be a good idea to buy at a low discount, is if You get a discounted Bible that You will use heavily. But since a few of Bibles I use are included in base-packages that doesn't happen often.
Another type of interesting deals, are primary texts. Sometime these are found in Community Pricing, complemented with Catholic or Reformed base-packages (such as that I first bought Post-Reformation Catholic Thought and Piety (27 vols.) for $70 in CP, it includes some works that are not even found at the November 2013 Foundations+ -level) (the latter which have not yet been released - I don't refer to the Topical Bundles). The base-packages usually don't complement a lot - but they don't have to, the idea with a base-package is not to get everything, but to get bits here and there, so getting an incomplete author series is OK, Yuo can always call Sales and together with completely different books negotiate a price on one volume from an author series such as Chesterton.
I got a 365 day Calvin devotional that I use in the topical bundle. There's more that I'll use later on.But think how much primary texts do You need? Personally I keep it to a minimum, with one exception: that I'm leaning towards getting the Göttingen Septuagint used - I'm in touch with someone in Helsinki who sells it in Logos.
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Approaching a saturation point and starting to feel like buying more resources won't replace actually working with the ones I have since before. Maybe I shouldn't wait until new-year with stopping to buy so much?
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Unix said:
Approaching a saturation point and starting to feel like buying more resources won't replace actually working with the ones I have since before. Maybe I shouldn't wait until new-year with stopping to buy so much?
Unix, I am not able to advise whether to stop your current purchasing. However, you have some very detailed posts on your thinking about various resources ... whether to buy or wait. I know from my personal experience that it helps to vocalize (in this case, write out) what you're thinking in order to develop that strategy for purchasing. As I am reading through your responses I see that you are working through that strategy. Just thinking out loud myself, that seems to be a good thing. I am detecting a certain confidence in reassurance in your own reasoning for whether to buy, or not.
All that said, I would encourage you to follow that which you believe is the best approach. Even though it may feel inconclusive for the moment, you ultimately end at the best position regarding the resources you need. (I hope that makes sense.)
Blessings, and Merry Christmas!
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Steve
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Thanks, Steve!
To place orders right now I have to make a phone call and speak to accounting because of the restriction my bank has (that I have to give the CVC/CVV2 -code from the back of my card) - since there's not a lot in my Store Credit. Accounting went home for the Holidays, I called sales in the last minute.
So I have a quote open for Life in a Risen Saviour by Candlish really good price negotiated over phone, as well as:
How Long, O Lord? Reflections on Suffering and Evil by Carson
Joseph: Understanding God’s Purpose (just the book, not the Church Curriculum)... both which are on a sale right now.
I don't think I'll be buying any Mega Bundle or future Reformed base-package.Speaking of books that have recently been discussed, I think I will be buying the book mentioned by Gabe Martini in: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/79322/555131.aspx#555131
... either in Logos or as printed matter.I'll wait a bit longer buying BDAG to see if I really can afford it. I will probably be taking Classical Gk class first, so the unabridged LSJ with 1996 supplement I have in Logos since before (and got amazingly cheap) will do for that.
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It was my final decision. I only added:
- Studies in Theology by Boettner
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Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges: Romans by R. St. John Parry
and I'm still negotiating the price on those two and Life in a Risen Saviour by Candlish.
No bundles.
I have emptied my bank-account and I'm going to sleep now. Banks are closed now since more 2-3 hours (the closest one since 4¼ hours for the new years celebration and I didn't have that much cash until I took out some in the ATM 15 minutes ago. Even if Logos would be open tomorrow, December 31., my Store Credit would not be sufficient. I would not like to place an open order or email an order.Only exception will be some open pre-pubs witch I have. And possibly one item in my Wishlist (Concealment or Revelation? The Messianic Secret in Mark, added today), plus a couple of years from now books that will be required in uni.
I decided NOT to get Belief: A Theological Commentary on the Bible (7 vols.).I'm so pleased with my decisions! I need to put more of my money into clothing (best friend's (ex-girlfriend) advice), and save for a car that will have the top-speed of 20 MPH.
Happy New Year 2014!:
Unix said:So I have a quote open for Life in a Risen Saviour by Candlish really good price negotiated over phone, as well as:
How Long, O Lord? Reflections on Suffering and Evil by Carson
Joseph: Understanding God’s Purpose (just the book, not the Church Curriculum)... both which are on a sale right now.
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Unix said:
Oxford History of the Christian Church (16 vols.) $619.95 on pre-pub.
Got that baby on PP! Can't wait.
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bump! Anyone want to join the Faithlife group posted in the OP?
I thought that bumping this thread would be relevant right now as Logos has made adjustments to payment plan options two hours ago and people risk to take debt. Regarding base-packages, Unix generally doesn't recommend them, and there are very few viable options. Verbum Foundations+ and Biblical Languages are the best ones if choosing between the plague and cholera although I'm not sure what the latter costs (since it has to be purchased with Academic Discount and we can't see those prices). Core Datasets is decent. Minimal Crossgrade, Starter, Platinum (and higher of course) and higher Verbum base-packages (than Foundations+) are the worst base-packages. Neither me nor Unix recommend the NAC commentary set which is included in Silver (and Gold of course) but I understand some want it. Base-packages contain a lot of fluff: low-end resources that soon have to be replaced, secondary pastoral material, datasets with bias, a lot of Reverse Interlinears - all those cost a lot and add almost zero value - they could have been scaled back. It's a shame that You can't even drop Bible versions You won't use. I'm not saying base-packages don't contain anything valuable and usable, it's just that out of the entire content the resources and functionality needed just doesn't add up to the price-tag of the base-package. A smaller library is also much faster to work with - no constant indexing, faster whole-library searches, not needing to bother about the hiding tagging or making collections of many hundred books.
I don't have any base-package for this account and no-one who will use this account will ever start wanting one except perhaps Core Datasets. (No-one has started to use this account and it's hard to find anyone who is willing.)
Right now my big temptation is the UBS Translator's Handbook Old Testament (29 vols.) which additionally has the RSV and GNT English Bibles which I would also like to have, both of them. Have to consider if anyone who is likely to start using this account has any interest in the 38-book (DSS) Old Testament.
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bump!
I now adjusted the setting for "Send group message" so that it's possible for all members in the group to send those! I didn't know about that setting, it might be the reason why no-one besides myself has posted.Disclosure!
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Michael Childs said:Kendall Sholtess said:
A perpetual enigma that rascal Desire
Haunting and pricking the fickle heart
To purchase what has not been budgeted for
It lights and entices and sets one's pocketbook afire
Oh how I wish to be rid of Desire!
My, that is very good ...er... convicting. Pardon my ignorance, but who wrote that?
I did. [:)]
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