Questions concerning "The Complete Word Study Bible" by Zodhiates
In my logos 4, the "Complete Word Study Bible" by Spiros Zodhiates does not include the numbers underneath each word to do further word studies. In my Logos 3 I could click on a number underneath the word and have numerous lexicons come up. In Logos 4 there are no numbers to click on to bring up ANY lexicons. Can anyone help me resolve this problem? The one thing I love about Logos 3 is the link features that would allow me to simply click on a number and have numerous lexicons pop up. I would appreciate any suggestions that will help me--as I always do a lot of word-studies when I am researching a passage. Thanks in advance. Steve
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Steven,
I see what you mean...can you screen shot what you saw in Logos 3? I'm curious as to what it looked like..
Robert Pavich
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Steven,
it does appear that even though the strongs numbers don't appear under the text...the text is tagged for strongs numbers...
a right click gets you there...
Robert Pavich
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I'm sorry, but I don't know how to do a screen shot. All I know is that when I clicked on a word in "The Complete Word Study Bible" numerous resources were linked that would allow me to see, instantly, the information that I needed. I sure want help on this problem. And i appreciate your answer, even if I could not answer yours.
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Yes, I have discovered the 'right-click' feature. It was not necessary in Logos 3 and saved a lot of time when I wanted to do a word study. I just don't understand why the word "number" does not even appear. Can you help me with this. I'm about ready to go back to Logos 3 because the key-link feature was so useful and functional. Thanks, Steve
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Steven,
No problem...I was just curious....don't sweat it...
Robert Pavich
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Is there a way that I can get the word-number links to show up in the text? There doesn't appear to be an option available to do that. If anyone knows a way, please let me know. Blessings, Steve
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Steven,
No...the word-numbers are not visible in the surface text...only by right clicking.
Robert Pavich
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Steve, is there a reason you want to see the numbers in the text?
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Steven L. Spencer said:
Is there a way that I can get the word-number links to show up in the text? There doesn't appear to be an option available to do that. If anyone knows a way, please let me know. Blessings, Steve
What if you used the information window? The second entry of the word is the Strongs when you hover over what you want. That is the best way I can think of to get where you are going. I don't know about other people's system but the Information takes a long time to populate on mine.
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It shows in a tooltip down the bottom:
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Damian,it's just a quick/convenience thing. As I think I mentioned, in L3 I could click on the number and would immediately pull up my 4 or 5 favorite lexicons--AT ONCE!. No 'right-clicking' at all. It was a one-step does all kind of thing--and I miss it!.
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Robert Pavich said:
Steven,
I see what you mean...can you screen shot what you saw in Logos 3? I'm curious as to what it looked like..
I think this is what he means. Ted
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Ted,
thanks for the screen shot...I had already burned my bridge to L3... [:D]
Robert Pavich
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Yes, Ted.That is exactly what I am talking about. And one click on the numbers would pull up about 5 of my favorite lexicons in the twinkling of an eye. Thank you for your help in showing folks what I am talking about. Blessings, Steve
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And the same quick-link allowed me to do the same with my NA27. One click on the Greek word and I have about 12 or so lexicons come up in paneled windows. I love that for it allowed me to quickly do word studies by accessing all my awesome lexicons. I have the L4 portfolio...plus other top of the line academeic Gk and Heb lexicons. The convenience was one of the best features of L3.
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Steven L. Spencer said:
And the same quick-link allowed me to do the same with my NA27. One click on the Greek word and I have about 12 or so lexicons come up in paneled windows. I love that for it allowed me to quickly do word studies by accessing all my awesome lexicons. I have the L4 portfolio...plus other top of the line academeic Gk and Heb lexicons. The convenience was one of the best features of L3.
Steve,
As I mentioned on the other thread, tehre is simply no way in v4 to do what could be done with key-linking in v3 (more's the pity).
Personally, I don't miss the lack of displayed strong's numbers as I have never and will never use them (I only deal with the NA27). Seeing as the underlying Gk is available in all of the interlinears, there is no need to rely on strong's numbers. Open a regular KJV (if this is your preferred Bible) and right clicking on any word will give you access to the lemma (much better than a number) and the search will populate with your prioritised Lexicons (have you done this?).
What differs here is that you can only open one lexicon at a time.
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"What differs here is that you can only open one lexicon at a time."
Which is precisely why I wish L4 would bring back the key-link feature. This allowed me to have immediate access to all my major lexicons at once. It was simply so fast and convenient. LOGOS techies, are you listening?
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Steven L. Spencer said:
"What differs here is that you can only open one lexicon at a time."
Which is precisely why I wish L4 would bring back the key-link feature. This allowed me to have immediate access to all my major lexicons at once. It was simply so fast and convenient. LOGOS techies, are you listening?
Yes, acknowledged and I have said the same thing on two different threads... What I am trying to assist you with here is how to deal with the text without visible strong's numbers....
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Steven L. Spencer said:
"What differs here is that you can only open one lexicon at a time."
Which is precisely why I wish L4 would bring back the key-link feature. This allowed me to have immediate access to all my major lexicons at once. It was simply so fast and convenient. LOGOS techies, are you listening?
Steven,
in the mean time, couldn't you have your "5 favorite lexicons already open and linked" so when you DO right click a strongs number they all go to that word and you can look at them all?
Another way is to right-click,click a strongs number then after you've looked at your "1st favorite lexicon's defintion" then you can "right-arrow" through the "2nd favorite" and the "3rd favorite" etc....
that's an idea...
Robert Pavich
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Robert Pavich
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I had understood that the feature of in-line Strong's numbers (including the CWSB) will return when the traditional style of the reverse interlinear is implemented in L4.
Is this not correct?
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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I, too, miss this feature. I would have 3 lexicons open at a click of the mouse. This way it did not take up additional space in L3. It was a great tool. I did the same with my Dictionaries, etc. The new L4 format is powerful, but it does not let the user choose how to use the program as did L3. The ability to choose how many resources to open and which resources to open using the key-link feature was great.
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DanCleghorn said:
I, too, miss this feature. I would have 3 lexicons open at a click of the mouse. This way it did not take up additional space in L3. It was a great tool. I did the same with my Dictionaries, etc. The new L4 format is powerful, but it does not let the user choose how to use the program as did L3. The ability to choose how many resources to open and which resources to open using the key-link feature was great.
I'd have to agree the customizability of L4 is NOT on par with L3, but I don't think it was ever the plan. I believe they have sought to simplify L4 by combining some L3 customizations into the new program as part of the UI. I do think L4 should be at least AS customizable as L3 (more so imo). I was sad to see much of it go.
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Can I ask a basic Q about this?
How is clicking on the strongs number or word and having your favorite lexicon come up...then pushing the right-arrow to go directly to your "next favorite" any different than having 3 resources come up 2 behind the main one (ala V3) and having to click them to read them each....
Isn't that the same amount of clicks and things?
Robert Pavich
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Robert Pavich said:
Can I ask a basic Q about this?
How is clicking on the strongs number or word and having your favorite lexicon come up...then pushing the right-arrow to go directly to your "next favorite" any different than having 3 resources come up 2 behind the main one (ala V3) and having to click them to read them each....
Isn't that the same amount of clicks and things?
For me the difference is that there is no Strong's number to click on in the CWSB.
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Paul..nope you're right....that would be a "right click + click" adding one click one time at each word...
Can I ask another basic Q?
Why use strongs numbering? Or maybe a different Q...why use the "word study bible" if we are all going after the same thing...."click a word, get a lexicon".....?
I'm asking because I don't understand...not to dis you.
Robert Pavich
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Robert Pavich said:
I'm asking because I don't understand...not to dis you.
Don't worry about any insult on my part, I fully understand your inquiries.
The main use (for me) of the CWSB, is having allot of useful information in one place, for quick reference. As in the example below, you can see all the information that is presented with the text, except for the Strong's numbers in L4. In L3 having the Strong's made it a very handy study reference.
When
heppro was [come
downapta]
frompre theart mountain,nn
greatan,aj multitudesan,nn followedaina
him.ppro
2 And, behold, there cameapta a
leperan,nn and worshipedipf him,ppro
saying,pap Lord,an,nn if thou wilt,psa
thou canstpinm[make
me clean.ainf/ppro]
3 And Jesusart,nn[put
forthapta]
his hand,art,nn and touchedaom him,ppro
saying,pap I will;pin be thou clean. Andaipp
❐❒
immediatelyad hisppro leprosyart,nn
was cleansed.ainp
4 And Jesusart,nn saithpin
unto him,ppro Seepim thou tellaosi
[no man;an,ajn]
but [go thy
way,aima]
showaima thyselfrxpro to theart
priest,nn and offeraima theart
giftnn thatrepro Mosesan,nn
commanded,aina forpre a testimonyan,nn
unto them.ppro11
Zodhiates, S., & Baker, W. (2000). The complete word study
Bible : King James Version (electronic ed.). Chattanooga: AMG
Publishers."As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Paul,
Yes...I see what you mean...I opened mine and hovered on a few words....
the only thing that I didn't like was the visual disruption" that the numbers cause...at least for me...I'd rather use something else.
thanks for answering my basic Qs..
Robert Pavich
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Damian McGrath said:
Personally, I don't miss the lack of displayed strong's numbers as I have never and will never use them
I find Strong's numbers distracting, of no use to me, bemusing, curious ... I compare them to using numbers for each lemma in the OED and shake my head. All of which is to say, make them visible to those who use them but minimize their impact on the rest of us.
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would the info window not help you..
Never Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have
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DominicM said:
would the info window not help you..
Oh Great, just when I was getting all crabby and complaining about a missing feature, someone comes up with a better way to do it...Thank-You [:D]
One quick question, does the "Information" window uses the Strong's referenced dictionary based on my prioritized resources list, or are individual Bibles tied to specific dictionaries?
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Ted Hans said:
I think this is what he means. Ted
Ted and Steven, how did you get the Strong's numbers to show up below the text in the CWSB? I've still got L3 and I was attempting to help Steven out, but the numbers don't show up for me (either in L3 or L4).
Paul Golder said that the numbers don't show up in L4 for him, but they did in L3. So there must be some program setting to turn them on/off in both version, but I can't for the life of me find it. I'm not saying I'm a fan of Strong's numbers, but I just like to understand all aspects of the software so I can help people.
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Rosie Perera said:
Ted and Steven, how did you get the Strong's numbers to show up below the text in the CWSB? I've still got L3 and I was attempting to help Steven out, but the numbers don't show up for me (either in L3 or L4).
Hi Rosie,
Just click under View at the top andyou get the choice of interlinear Strong's numbers, Inline Strong's numbers, or Bible text only.
Charlene
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Charlene said:Rosie Perera said:
Ted and Steven, how did you get the Strong's numbers to show up below the text in the CWSB? I've still got L3 and I was attempting to help Steven out, but the numbers don't show up for me (either in L3 or L4).
Hi Rosie,
Just click under View at the top andyou get the choice of interlinear Strong's numbers, Inline Strong's numbers, or Bible text only.
Ha! Shows you how little I got to know L3 while I was using it.
I still can't find where that has gone in L4. There's no View menu.
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I've resisted coming in on this thread earlier, but it seems to me that you can have exactly the same functionality in a KJV with reverse interlinear showing. WHy use the CWSB? The Strong's numbers are listed in a reverse interlinear, and clicking them will bring up the Strong's resource you prioritise. The result is much easier to read, and I would argue, better all around. It's usually much better to ask "How best can I accomplish this task in L4?", rather than "How do replicate an L3 function exactly in my new product?".
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Mark Barnes said:
I've resisted coming in on this thread earlier, but it seems to me that you can have exactly the same functionality in a KJV with reverse interlinear showing. WHy use the CWSB? The Strong's numbers are listed in a reverse interlinear, and clicking them will bring up the Strong's resource you prioritise. The result is much easier to read, and I would argue, better all around. It's usually much better to ask "How best can I accomplish this task in L4?", rather than "How do replicate an L3 function exactly in my new product?".
With the CWSB, it's just a preference of having links to several resources in one place. Like:
• Book Introductions• Footnotes on Key Passages
• Extensive Cross-reference Numbering System
• Hebrew and Greek Word Studies Sections
• Grammatical coding for each word
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Paul Golder said:
I had understood that the feature of in-line Strong's numbers (including the CWSB) will return when the traditional style of the reverse interlinear is implemented in L4.
Is this not correct?
See the discusion at http://community.logos.com/forums/p/6171/48045.aspx
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Paul Golder said:
With the CWSB, it's just a preference of having links to several resources in one place. Like:
• Book Introductions• Footnotes on Key Passages
• Extensive Cross-reference Numbering System
• Hebrew and Greek Word Studies Sections
• Grammatical coding for each word
I did not have this resource in L3 but I can appreciate why it would be highly regarded.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:
I did not have this resource in L3 but I can appreciate why it would be highly regarded.
I didn't either, but bought it just to see what all the hoopla was about and see if I could help Paul out with another option in L4 for doing what he used to do in it.
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I do not even have Logos 3 or 4. Was considering purchasing until I came across this thread.
Stephen asked about the feature, and several commented. Paul Golder seems to be one of the few if not the only one that grasped the depth of Stephen's inquiry.
While Logos looks to be a great tool, like most of technology, it makes us slow, sluggish, and sometimes just plain dumb, when comparing ourselves to our forefathers who did not have such mind numbing tools.
I too would demand ability to see the numbers and even more so the grammatical codes in the text. Especially when using the CWSB. I think someone even suggested no use for that particular Bible...Really, now? It just so happens to one be of the best Bible works ever done. And whosever suggestion it was, I feel sorry for their flock. Quite simply, anyone astute enough to learn how to use the CWSB will be able to grasp so much information from having the gramatical codes and numbering visible when reading it that they will not need to click every time to see the depth of the meanings of the languages... the codes and numbering will become reconizable and cognative skills kick in to enhance the bible reading. like reading 2 languages at once on the same page and grasping all of the available depth of meaning at one pass. Of course this requires education and skill, two things missing in most of Christendom today.
Most bible scholars today are not true scholars at all any more. They rely on the machine or someone else who relies on the machine to tell them what God meant, as opposed to reading it for themselves. I would assume the programmers likewise because they invest most of their time developing software to reading and studying their scripture that they will probably see no need to discuss this further as it will most likely cause them far more work to address it than to force those that use their software to comply with what they choose not to give them, in this new improved release...
Well it is their product and they have that prerogative and you don't have to purchase it either.
Check out Mantis Bible Study for the iPhone... I've been talking with him personally about a mac/pc version...
Perhaps I'll find a way to finance him and well create a product to improve the skills of the bible scholar as opposed to making them so dependent on a deluge of information that they'll have to rely on the machine for everything, for a lack of time to process it. Give them so much they would have to have a computer to process it for them...
What ever happend to candle light study and inspiration from the Lord...?
No wonder Jesus said, Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? I.E. not to have said will anyone believe in me, but rather will anyone understand the 'system of religious truth' i.e. not just the story, but the gospel scheme, the religious truth itself that He, Jesus authored and finished.
He knew no one would know anything for they would, among other things, drown in their dependence on technology.
I hope I have not been too rough, but come on guys, quit deliberating the right and wrong way to study a thing and give Stephen what he had before so that he can be quick with his own mind again... don't enslave him to your system, empower him to become skillful.
Fix it back like it was or add something to make the feature available in an update... If you are in fact doing God's work, and its not just for the money at this point, you owe it to Stephen, for the Lord's sake. And make it quick, we've got work to do and there is NOTHING on this earth more important than what we're out there doing for the service is to God's people. And I have no doubt He takes it very seriously when it comes to His children...
And, if and when you have it. Send me an email me. [;)]
Blessed Regards,
Dr. Basil N Babaa, D.Min.
basil.babaa@unionbiblical.orgUnion Center of Biblical Studies
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Basil Babaa said:
I think someone even suggested no use for that particular Bible...Really, now? It just so happens to one be of the best Bible works ever done. And whosever suggestion it was, I feel sorry for their flock.
The fact that I read Greek and Hebrew makes no difference?
Basil Babaa said:Most bible scholars today are not true scholars at all any more. They rely on the machine or someone else who relies on the machine to tell them what God meant, as opposed to reading it for themselves.
As opposed to relying on Strong's Numbers????
Basil Babaa said:Check out Mantis Bible Study for the iPhone... I've been talking with him personally about a mac/pc version...
That's just rude....
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Basil Babaa:I think someone even suggested no use for that particular Bible...Really, now? It just so happens to one be of the best Bible works ever done. And whosever suggestion it was, I feel sorry for their flock.The fact that I read Greek and Hebrew makes no difference?
Perhaps you do, but others are not there yet. CWSB will help them get there.
Basil Babaa:Most bible scholars today are not true scholars at all any more. They rely on the machine or someone else who relies on the machine to tell them what God meant, as opposed to reading it for themselves.As opposed to relying on Strong's Numbers????
Not the numbers... the grammatical codes... for those unlike yourself that are not fluent in greek and hebrew.
Basil Babaa:Check out Mantis Bible Study for the iPhone... I've been talking with him personally about a mac/pc version...That's just rude....
Not rude just an option...
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Basil,
I am the one who said that I had no use for this bible (because I read Greek and Hebrew) - you said that you felt sorry for MY flock.....
It is rude and very bad form to come on to a Logos forum and advocate another bible program.
This is also simple common sense....
You are more than welcome to believe that whatever bible program is the very best in the world and oh so much better than Logos and you are more than free to communicate that on your own blog, on that bible software's forums, in a letter written to the Chief Poobah. But, this forum is owned and maintained by Logos Bible Software and it is completely inappropriate to advertise and advocate for a competitor's product here.
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Damian McGrath said:
But, this forum is owned and maintained by Logos Bible Software and it is completely inappropriate to advertise and advocate for a competitor's product here.
Not to mention the whole diatribe.
I don't know where this came from or even if Basil understands what was being discussed...this isn't about "slovenly, sloppy" exegetes, or a certain bible study software..it was originally a question about the formatting of a certain text WITHIN LOGOS bible software and then the discussion turned to "one numbering system vs another"
I'm not sure how your Basil's rant moved that conversation forward... [;)]
Robert Pavich
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Robert Pavich said:
I don't know where this came from or even if Basil understands what was being discussed..
I'm positive on that score...
BTW. Nice Avatar!
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Damian McGrath said:
BTW. Nice Avatar!
Thanks! I have two puggies...the one who looks worried is Pancho, and the one who's face you can't see it Gracie.
Robert Pavich
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Robert Pavich said:
I have two puggies
I had to learn a poem about Pugs in German when I was learning that language - forgotten now - though I remember that a Pug is Ein Mops.
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Hi Basil,
Actually the grammatical codes are still in the text, and the Strong's numbers can be viewed using the "Information" window (although it is a bit slow).
While not as convenient as having inline numbers, it does present a very workable solution.
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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I’m late to the party, but whatever happened to keeping a resource looking like the print version? Before, you clicked on the numbers provided on the resource and it would open the dictionaries that came with the resource. It kept you from consulting extra dictionaries since you only needed the complete word study dictionaries. That’s what made it unique, kind of like the Complete Biblical Library. Now you can’t even access the links that say, “see note on…”
DAL
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DAL said:
It kept you from consulting extra dictionaries since you only needed the complete word study dictionaries.
I never use this resource and am puzzled as to how far back you are going in describing its behavior. If I used it, I would be inclined to see if advanced prioritization got the behavior you want. But I am pleased to be reminded of Damian.
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