SUGGESTION: HaMafteach -- the first ever index to the Talmud
Even though we have search capabilities in Logos, I imagine this would be useful for finding topics and themes that aren't easily defined by search terms unless you already know the Talmud well enough to know what you're searching for (which I'm guessing most of us don't [:)]):
• HaMafteach. The English volume by subject may be enough for now.
(Ignore the $100-150/volume second hand prices you might see at Amazon. These seem to be due to the fact that the publisher released a tiny 2,000 copy first edition to test the waters, which was snatched up in days, so until enough books are printed to cover the immediate demand it's the sellers' market. According to a NYT article on the project, the real prices are more like $29.99 for the first English and $24.99 for the first Hebrew volume, which sounds considerably more attractive.)
With complete linking to the Talmud, this is also probably the kind of work that could attract a large number of new Jewish users to Logos, especially if a Jewish base package was introduced as well.
The great question, of course, is if the publisher is too Orthodox to consider working with a Christian counterpart.
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Certainly support this product - I actually managed to get hold of a print copy too
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Thank you fgh for this suggestion (and comment in the other thread). I went ahead an ordered it, although it'd be far better in Logos.
For anyone else, remember it comes in english and hebrew. So if your english is a little shaky, the hebrew one will be good.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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The rather hefty volume arrived. In case anyone else is either curious, or may wish to add to fgh's suggestion thread:
http://www.amazon.com/HaMafteach-English-Edition-Daniel-Retter/dp/9653013262
The page copies on hamafteach.org are in hebrew; I didn't see any in english. So I copied a page below for reference. However the 'contents' section is good reading for introduction, etc. I already used the book relative to my Logos book on ancient concepts regarding death. Thus, it fits in pretty quickly in Bible study.
Physically, the volume is 8.5x11" but 2" thick which translates to almost 5lb. In other words, as a Logos resource, your PC would be lighter.
The author (Daniel Retter) emphasizes the subject lookup was not derived from naive computer searches but drilled down to the meaning, often buried in both hebrew and more importantly aramaic.
As can be seen in the pic, there's a drilldown by major subject, and also the inclusion of hebrew in the index, where needed. (There's also a fully hebrew version that's cheaper ... learn hebrew and save money!)
As such, then, as noted by the OP, it'd be an excellent Logos candidate since it'd fit well within topics derived in a scholarly way (vs our high-speed indexer).
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."If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
The author (Daniel Retter) emphasizes the subject lookup was not derived from naive computer searches but drilled down to the meaning, often buried in both hebrew and more importantly aramaic.
More importantly? What have you been smoking?
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Incense maybe? Correct me as necessary, but the bulk of the Talmud was written in aramaic.
The intro's interesting reading. One of the supportive rabbi's has the oral Torah nailed down to an exact year.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
Incense maybe? Correct me as necessary, but the bulk of the Talmud was written in aramaic.
The intro's interesting reading. One of the supportive rabbi's has the oral Torah nailed down to an exact year.
Yes, it does have Aramaic, but I still think Hebrew is more important.
"The whole Talmud consists of 63 tractates, and in standard print is over 6,200 pages long. It is written in Tannaitic Hebrew and Aramaic. The Talmud contains the teachings and opinions of thousands of rabbis on a variety of subjects, including Halakha (law), Jewish ethics, philosophy, customs, history, lore and many other topics. The Talmud is the basis for all codes of Jewish law and is much quoted in rabbinic literature."
Wikipedia, s.v. "Talmud"
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Thanks, Denise!
George Somsel said:Yes, it does have Aramaic, but I still think Hebrew is more important.
"The whole Talmud consists of 63 tractates, and in standard print is over 6,200 pages long. It is written in Tannaitic Hebrew and Aramaic. The Talmud contains the teachings and opinions of thousands of rabbis on a variety of subjects, including Halakha (law), Jewish ethics, philosophy, customs, history, lore and many other topics. The Talmud is the basis for all codes of Jewish law and is much quoted in rabbinic literature."
Wikipedia, s.v. "Talmud"
You should have read on:
"Of the two main components of the Babylonian Talmud, the Mishnah is written in Mishnaic Hebrew. Within the Gemara, the quotations from the Mishnah and the Baraitas and verses of Tanakh quoted and embedded in the Gemara are in Hebrew. The rest of the Gemara, including the discussions of the Amoraim and the overall framework, is in a characteristic dialect of Jewish Babylonian Aramaic.[13] There are occasional quotations from older works in other dialects of Aramaic, such asMegillat Taanit. Overall, Hebrew constitutes somewhat less than half of the text of the Talmud."
In other words, except for the Mishna, it's written in Aramaic, but uses the original language for quotes.
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+ [Y] We definitely need HaMafteach. .....( and as an aside perhaps the "Set Table" for post-Talmudic Halakhah)
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