Important Announcement for Windows XP, Vista, OS X 10.5, 10.6, 10.7 users

Actually the real bonus here, George, is getting to chat with the Logos back-office folks while eating my Post Toasties after a long weekend.

Whenever I order a really neat book (typically on the weekend), and finding there's no Libronix version, Monday am's are reserved for refunds.

Of course, after you get a hold of the official refunder-of-the-day, you also make sure any other purchases are fully liked (or they get a refund too!).

Logos is really the best, not letting you know if a purchase will even fit your 'vacume cleaner'.  Order and see!!

Dave Hooton said:

As usual there is a degree of ambiguity with OS versions affected:-

    

Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:

We're now announcing that we're officially ending support for Windows XP and OS X 10.5 on April 8, 2014 (the same day that Microsoft ends extended support for XP).

OSX 10.5 suffers because of a MS decision?

    

Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:

On that same date, Logos 5.2a (currently in beta) will become the new "maintenance" version for Windows Vista, OS X 10.6 and 10.7; Logos 5.3 will require Windows 7 SP1 or OS X 10.8 or later.

Why are these versions isolated. Is MS releasing a new version of .NET for W7/8 only? Mac?

IF they haven't, its an inevitability over time... Plus as they said if .1% of users are using vista, 60% are using 7 and 30% are using 8, it makes sense to use their developement dollars where the bulk of their clients are.

PLUS once MS discontinues XP, there ought to be a mass exodus away from it... Hackers are saving up exploits to be released after the EOL of XP. This means that continuing to use XP after the EOL is more or less akin to walking through a mine field blindfolded. You might survive without encountering a problem, but more than likely the result will be really bad.

Vista as an OS should maybe have never been released... But thats another post.

I'm glad my next upgrade will be to one of the Mac laptops or at least a Windows 8, though in my opinion, Windows should've stopped at Windows 7 and just improve it a little bit more.  So far I've had 2 Windows 7 and I've been happy with the performance.  I'm sorry for the guys who will be struggling a little bit with their old systems but hey it is what it is.

DAL

The move from OS X 10.6 to 10.7 and up was dramatic since that was when Apple dropped support for the PPC machines and went with Intel only which of course meant that much of the older software had to be updated.

I monitor several Mac forums on a regular basis and it does seem that very few users are still running 10.5; and those that are have machines that will not perform very well with the current version of Logos anyway.  I'm running 10.9.1 on a new 27" iMac and Logos 5 is not a stellar performer on my machine so I can't imagine running it on older hardware.  But that's just my opinion.

In Christ,

Charles

Batman, that's really expensive since Microsoft doesn't let installation of Office 2007 or 2010 in Windows 8 but forces an upgrade to 2013 or 365! I have many other things to learn instead of learning competing freeware.

Many people have multiple computers and there is no such thing as a license with which You can install the newest Office on both of Your computers anymore:

Batman said:

They did; its called Windows 8. Unfortunately for most, they missed the Windows 8 upgrade program, where one could get Windows 8 professional with 32 and 64 bit for dirt cheap. I want to say $40 for download ($65 for DVD).

Graham Criddle said:

NÖ said:

Batman, that's really expensive since Microsoft doesn't let installation of Office 2007 or 2010 in Windows 8 but forces an upgrade to 2013

I don't understand this statement.

I am running Windows 8.1 and a mix of Office 2007 and 2010 products without any problem.

I'll add my 2 cents worth on this one...I'm running Office 2010 with no problems on a Windows 8 machine. I wasn't even given the option to "upgrade" to the newer Office. So, I will continue to work with "older" programs.

That's a whole different ballgame. Windows 8 and 8.1 allow Office 2007. I have not attempted to install earlier versions, so I have no clue if that's compatible or not. Office Starter, however, has a totally different set of permissions. Since I do not use starter, I will assume that MS has chosen to disallow earlier versions. 

This appears to be ominous. If we upgrade to Logos 5 will that stop all the annoying requests to upgrade? I turned off email notification to stop the notifications although every so often I still get them. I don't know how even changed email address without success. I find the continuous notifications somewhat annoying.

I am reluctant to upgrade. I went from Libronix to L4 completely when my laptop died. It was the easiest way given I was able to download items onto a new machine and I had a PC that could handle it. I was still trying to master Libronix so I spent some money investing in Proctor training videos for L4 in addition to third party videos plus Wiki notes. I still have great difficulty with L4 even basic reading plans and searches and other research. It does not strike me as being intuitive. My frustration expands when I think of all the books & journals I have and cannot seem to use the software to advantage. I figure L5 will bring more exasperation in trying to master it. I don't wish to duplicate expenditure on training materials. 

On top of that I don't think my machine reaches the the minimum specs so until I have a PC hardware issue I will be sitting this out.

Colin Ware said:

I figure L5 will bring more exasperation in trying to master it.

As Graham says, we're happy to try and help with any specific questions with L4/L5. But it's worth pointing out that there was a very big difference between Libronix and L4 (the program was almost entirely rewritten). But there is very little difference between the way L4 and L5 works. If you know how to use L4, you know how to use L5.

Lynden Williams said:

Colin Ware said:

I was still trying to master Libronix so I spent some money investing in Proctor training videos for L4 in addition to third party videos plus Wiki notes. I still have great difficulty with L4 even basic reading plans and searches and other research. It does not strike me as being intuitive.

Some of us use Skype, and I would be willing to do a audio conference in assitng you with the software, as several others. Post back here if interested. 

That's a good idea.  If you wish to send me an email (gfsomsel at yahoo dot com) we could exchange phone numbers so we could discuss any problems you have.

Not sure I get this.  I subscribe to Office 365 and for $100 bucks a year I can install it on 5 computers.  This seems to me to be much more affordable than it used to be, and it works great.  Well, Skydrive is pretty much useless with the glitches it has, but everything else works fine.