Yahweh was a volcano god
It seems clear from the Bible verses of the meeting with god at Mount Sinai that Yahweh was a volcano god. I have seen this written many times and can't deny it myself. I was in denial at first but what other kind of god was said to live on a fiery hill and throw out brimstone, the latter being volcanic sulphur? If he would be a volcano god in any other religion going by the descriptions of him then it would be wrong of us to believe he's anything more to us.
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Hello Sally,
welcome to the Logos Bible Software forum.
You may not be aware of it, but this forum focuses on the discussion of Logos software usage and Logos ressources. It is not an open religious forum.
If you are a user of Logos software and want to know how to research ancient near eastern volcano gods in the resources in your library, that would be fine. Otherwise this discussion is out of bounds of the forum rules - see the thread by Phil Gons pinned at the top of this forum - and you may want to continue it at more appropriate websites (e.g. Patheos.com has a mutlitude of religious blogs).
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Oh, sorry. I came here because I found a thread discussing the validity of the Exodus and in that was mention of Mount Sinai being a volcano.
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http://community.logos.com/forums/t/80690.aspx
Here it is. This thread seems similar to mine. Is this against the rules too?
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Sally Brown said:
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/80690.aspx
Here it is. This thread seems similar to mine. Is this against the rules too?
Yes.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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[y]Lynden Williams said:Sally Brown said:http://community.logos.com/forums/t/80690.aspx
Here it is. This thread seems similar to mine. Is this against the rules too?
Yes.
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NB.Mick said:
If you are a user of Logos software and want to know how to research ancient near eastern volcano gods in the resources in your library, that would be fine.
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Actually, Sal, YHWH was indeed a mountain god (which of course you already knew). You've probably read of 'Zion' or 'Horeb' sometime in your lifetime.
What's interesting is the emphasis placed on YHWH's association with mountains. And being well read in the OT, you're probably familiar with the two mountains that frame death (something to be eliminated by YHWH himself).
But you knew all that, right Sal?
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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An unacceptable thoughtless post.
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Denise said:
Actually, Sal, YHWH was indeed a mountain god (which of course you already knew). You've probably read of 'Zion' or 'Horeb' sometime in your lifetime.
What's interesting is the emphasis placed on YHWH's association with mountains. And being well read in the OT, you're probably familiar with the two mountains that frame death (something to be eliminated by YHWH himself).
But you knew all that, right Sal?
Especially interesting in the light of the severe condemnation of the "high places" as a proper place to worship in Old Testament Scripture.
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Sally Brown said:
Oh, sorry. I came here because I found a thread discussing the validity of the Exodus and in that was mention of Mount Sinai being a volcano.
You are right, and I was wrong to respond so. I didn't mean it as put down, though it certainly came across that way. Nor do I doubt your scholarship.
I apologize, and appreciate you being a part of the forum. I am often far too opinionated, and quick to speak while too slow to hear. And I have removed that post.
Peace.
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That YHWH is a volcano god is not quite right...though it is interesting to me that I nearly posted a comment a couple of days ago in which I described Him (I think it was specifically a reference to His wrath) as "beyond Krakatoa". It would be more accurate to say He is a God of volcanos...and everything else, of course, as well. As Creator, most of the creation manifests aspects of Him, and that is by Design.
Regarding His connection to mountains, this is and was something recognized by others, as well. I'm not on my computer and don't feel like opening Biblia, but wasn't it the Arameans who spoke of YHWH as being a mountain god and so they wanted to entice Israel to come out and fight them on the plains?
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Michael, my rabbit trails noted 'high places' are thought to refer to the built-up area around the center area (alter, stone, etc). At least, the thinking is based on the archaeolical observations that the 'high places' were often not in literally high places. But I'm just a reader (of Logos, to be sure).
Although the thread seems to be a poke at George, the whole subject of mountains flows through the account of God from Noah and saving humanity, all the way to Jesus' discussion concerning Mt Gerizim/Zion and subsequently his ascension. Luke was adament concerning the positioning (recounting twice, along with distance), even placing it as to look down towards Zion. Matthew is similarly adament from 'the mount'.
And of course the angels said he'd return similarly. Most commentaries, following Paul, suggest 'clouds' (another OT pattern of the cloud-rider), but, not to be ruled out .... a mountain.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Greetings Sally, good to have you here.
Sally Brown said:what other kind of god was said to live on a fiery hill and throw out brimstone,
Have you considered an omnipotent God? When we consider this same God (I AM) met out ten plagues on Egypt that challenged their local gods
Sally Brown said:If he would be a volcano god in any other religion going by the descriptions of him then it would be wrong of us to believe he's anything more to us
In my younger days I climbed two volcanoes. The locals did worship these scary mountains. But their "gods" never claimed power beyond the mountain. The God of the Bible does claim such power and demonstrates it. The accounts in Exodus back up his claims. Later this same God challenged the 400 prophets of Baal on Mt Carmel. This same God arranged an immaculate conception, walked on water, healed the sick and raised the dead.Even later he rent the veil in the temple. All these deeds show him to be superior to other regional "gods." YahWeh is not confined to a volcano.
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Michael Childs said:
I am often far too opinionated, and quick to speak while too slow to hear. And I have removed that post.
Peace.
Amen to that! LOL [;)] But don't feel bad, nobody is perfect. [:P] Trust me, I know...hehehe...Now you're probably thinking the ancient proverb: "What did the kettle say to the pot?" Or something along those lines...[A] [:)]
I wonder what would happen if Logos opened up a forum for theological discussions like this one. You know, just as there is one for "General" thoughts, comments, etc. and one for Logos 5, then Logos 4 windows, Mac, etc. What if there was one for "Theology Discussion" I assume the others would be empty and a riot would break out...LOL...Logos is smart not allowing Theological Discussions in their forums. It gets bad as it is sometimes, now imagine if we were allowed to freely engage in those. Wow, chaos comes to mind. People putting each other down, calling each other names, challenging each other to debates, offering punches in bunches...LOL...I think we're better off without a Theological Discussion thread/forum.
Anyway, why did I go off on that? Oh well...Happy Super Bowl Weekend!!! (And please don't cancel PM services because you don't want the brethren to miss the game LOL).
DAL
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This is a reply to everyone.
Which god is the following describing?
The clan camped at the base of a mountain of fire. God was believed to be a
creator god and giver of all things, the master of the universe and Lord of all
nature. He created the human community, land, rain, plants and animals. The clan
believed that God lived (or manifested himself) at the top of the mountain of fire
when he came down from the heavens. They believed the mountain was
God's throne on earth. It was the place where the leader of the tribe
met with God. They erected their tents to face the Lord or the Lord's
tabernacle. The mountain was referred to as 'His abode', 'His throne', 'His
habitation'. There are many myths and songs associated with God and the mountain.The clan were monotheists believing in a unique and omnipotent god. Yet
he was not a distant god. He had human characteristics and man was even said to
be made in the image of god. Some say he lives in the sky or in the clouds but
myths say he comes to earth from time to time to inspect it , bestow blessings
and mete out punishments.Thunder is attributed to God as is lightning. The clan had migrated away
from a country having escaped possible slavery conditions and had found themselves
at the slopes of a mountain and set up camp. This rock was known as the place
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Sally Brown said:
Which god is the following describing?
Oh My Volcano! Was God a Volcano? blog might be a more appropriate place to continue this discussion.
(Oh....It was discussed there last August.)
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What would Jesus make of you right now?
Would he be happy with you for facing something head on and with courage?
Or would he come charging in kicking over the tables and shouting at you all for your lack of integrity?
This might not be the perfect place for this discussion but showing that card is cowardice and, in my opinion, not what Jesus would want.
The truth shall set us free.
The descriptions in my previous post fit both Yahweh and the imaginary god of the volcano Mount Kenya.
Yahweh was said to be a 'consuming fire' full of 'fiery wrath' and said to live on a mountain of fire because he was an imaginary volcano god.
You can mock it, kick it, ignore it or work your way around it with words but there it is....the truth.
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Sally Brown said:
What would Jesus make of you right now?
Uh, Who are you directing your question to?
Sally Brown said:This might not be the perfect place for this discussion but showing that card is cowardice and, I my opinion, not what Jesus would want.
"Cowardice" to publicize a blog? Or maybe you are not talking to me. ?
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You publicised my (not for profit) blog....or more accurately a cached page of it as it is right now on private mode while I re-organise it.
Let us test your integrity...
Does the description in my earlier post of a god fit perfectly the descriptions of Yahweh?
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Well, if Sal's talking about Matthew, he's not familiar with Matthew, who quite obviously lives his beliefs.
Plus if we're comparing Logos' exhorbitant prices to the money changers in the Temple, I'm not sure that's exactly a good parallel. Tyroleans vs an active credit card? Live animals vs books you can't see? This is where a good commentary may be needed.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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No, I'm saying this room is full of people who would disappoint Jesus right now because he taught people to be honest, to be brave, to face difficulties head on....not to pretend something isn't happening, run away or try to scare off the offending truth. But prove me wrong.
How about you tell me whether or not you can admit that the description fits Yahweh.
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Sally Brown said:
Does the description in my earlier post of a god fit perfectly the descriptions of Yahweh?
No. It is quite narrow in its scope. To discuss it further might be considered by some to be beyond the purpose of the forums.
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Ya think?
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