Who uses Logos 5.0 at Bible Study or while your Pastor is preaching on Sunday mornings?
Who here uses Logos 5.0 for (ahem) quick searches and lookups at a Bible Study?
Are you finding its easy to use and fast as the night goes on or are you lagging behind and finding answers around the same time the questions or the topics have changed?
(Ok, yes this is yet another veiled hardware post but I really am interested on how or even if you use Logos during Bible Study with others and/or Sunday mornings as the sermon is going on)
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I do - at midweek Bible Study. Pastor uses iPad w/o LOGOS. I use a couple of translations and a couple of commentaries on my Nook HD+. I use the Nook on Sunday as I preach as well.
Since I am a tactile learner, my biggest complaint is the lack of adequate note taking tools on the Android platform..
Blessings,
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Thanks Mr. Johnson. I long for a day for cross device underlining that is simple to do without several menu dropdowns and selections - but its got to be a programming challenge for sure. On my android phone by the time I figure how to do a search or attempt one, we have gone to another topic or scripture.
grrrrrr
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I use Logos in Bible studies and during church but I'm careful to really listen and fully engage with what is going on and resist the temptation to do my own study of any sort at that time.
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I use it all the time for following scripture readings, taking notes and quick searches during worship services, Bible studies, etc. I do this on a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 (so the mobile version vs. L5), and I'm completely happy with (or acclimated to?) this arrangement.
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"I read dead people..."
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I think it depends on what tradition is involved, as well as the pastor. Our english-only church is very comfortable with healthy back-and-forth (which seems also to have been the case in the NT churches vs the super-quiet synogogues).
Our pastor tends to get exegetical on Sunday mornings and life-application on the subsequent Bible study (same sermon but study during the week). So I tend to zoom through L5 during the sermons posting lots of followup questions, while leaving the computer closed during the more devotional discussions.
I found the UBS Handbook series along with the IVP Background series to allow quick checking, while keeping up. A keyboard/mouse is critical to move around my standard layout.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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It depends on how you use it during sermons or classes.
1) During sermons I try to keep it simple with my iPad so I won't get too distracted: My preferred Bible and Treasury of Scripture Knowledge for cross references. I may insert a note containing the outline being presented under the verse being used for the sermon.
2) During classes I prefer to use my laptop as I'm able to work off line and have access to all the functionalities/features.
DAL
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DAL - I hope I haven't goofed up passing on the deeply discounted Surfaced Pro tonight then. It was going to replace my Toshiba Pentium but I am going to pass for now.
Trying to imagine using a Surface pro in the pew...and the looks I might have gotten.
Wondering if my Pastor/Mentor in the pulpit would have minded,Josh
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During a bible study session at church - I use Logos (Bible) App. As we are studying, I can do a quick word study if necessary and pull up a commentary if needed. I also highlight passages. For note taking, I use an app such as Evernote or just paper and notepad.
During church service - I use Logos (Bible) App to read the Scripture. I'll jot down the notes on the service with the note taking app on my Galaxy Note 2. No time to do any extensive study or cross references as I listen and participate in the service. I will often study the topic and Scriptures throughout the week.
During my daily travels - I use Logos (Bible) App, Vyrso, and Faithlife to read while on the bus or otherwise out and about.
During an online bible study session - I use Logos 5 and it's full complement of tools (including the note function).
During a Precept For Life inductive bible study - I use Logos 5 with a custom layout that includes the highlighting pallet, and the full compliment of Logos 5 tools.
During personal bible study - I use Logos 5 and it's full compliment of tools.
During my Facebook inspirational post that I do from time to time - I use Logos 5 and it's full compliment of tools to research the topic and do word studies.
During Facebook Scripture post - I use Logos 5 and share the post using a customized "Copy Bible Verses".
Reading plans - I use Logos 5 and Logos (Bible) App.
In a nutshell, I use Logos 5 for anything I do while at home and use the mobile apps for anything on the road or away from my home.
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JoshInRI said:
I long for a day for cross device underlining that is simple to do without several menu dropdowns and selections
You shouldn't have to wait too long for this...
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I use it all the time. I use it just as I use my regular Bible, to follow the message and take notes. but don't do any research on it during bible studies or pastor's message. I am not there to research but to listen the message.
if I try to do searches, lookups, open commentaries during the message it will undoubtedly take away my attention away from the message to my own personal Bible study when I should be concentrating on the teaching.
because I take notes, I then go home and go over the notes and I will dig deeper using the many tools Logos has. But never during church service. Honestly, think that is disrespectful
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Just about the time you were posting this (5 PM Sat, Feb 1) I was using my original Surface Pro in church to verify/double check what the pastor was saying about rasach (murder) in the 10 commandments. Using L5 I was able to quickly look up in the Bible Sense Lexicon, NIDOTTE, and HALOT. The pastor said "God passed over 8 words for "to kill" to choose this one" I quickly found there were 7 Hebrew lemmas and 1 Aramaic. But that the general point he was making about "to do murder" is different than our common English understanding of "to kill" was a valid point.
To all FORUM users: Please do NOT use my statements as an invitation to debate pacifism or capital punishment! I just wanted to illustrate how I was able to use the language tools in Logos to spot check a claim from the pulpit.
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Bruce Dunning said:
I use Logos in Bible studies and during church but I'm careful to really listen and fully engage with what is going on and resist the temptation to do my own study of any sort at that time.
YES :-)
Only... switching between Bible books/chapters is somewhat slow with android (or does someone knows how to do it faster? appreciating help ;-)
The good old paper versions of the Bible yet seem to be faster than digital Bibles. :-)) Only the switching between versions (to get the preacher's version) is much lighter... I like Logos.
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I use it for both sermons and bible studies. I have the ipad app. I don't jump around much in the app between the bible and other resources. I use a note app like Noteability that let's me do handwriting. It's faster and more natural than typing on the ipad keyboard.
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I notice so far 'listening to the speaker' is a key attribute. But I suspect this is the significant minority. Throughout my many decades of church attending (and humorous exploration), the ability of a church member (mainly protestant) to identify what the pastor spoke on is not good, just minutes later. And this, after a typical full-day of sermon preparation.
Normally, a good point or a humorous comment is dependably remembered. An hour later, the situation deteriorates considerably. Lunchtime merits icey stares, if one goes beyond 'My, the sermon seems especially appropriate today?'. That's with the ladies. With the guys, it better have something to do with football or politics.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
Throughout my many decades of church attending (and humorous exploration), the ability of a church member (mainly protestant) to identify what the pastor spoke on is not good, just minutes later.
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Erwin Stull, Sr. said:
During a bible study session at church - I use Logos (Bible) App. As we are studying, I can do a quick word study if necessary and pull up a commentary if needed. I also highlight passages. For note taking, I use an app such as Evernote or just paper and notepad.
During church service - I use Logos (Bible) App to read the Scripture. I'll jot down the notes on the service with the note taking app on my Galaxy Note 2. No time to do any extensive study or cross references as I listen and participate in the service. I will often study the topic and Scriptures throughout the week.
During my daily travels - I use Logos (Bible) App, Vyrso, and Faithlife to read while on the bus or otherwise out and about.
During an online bible study session - I use Logos 5 and it's full complement of tools (including the note function).
During a Precept For Life inductive bible study - I use Logos 5 with a custom layout that includes the highlighting pallet, and the full compliment of Logos 5 tools.
During personal bible study - I use Logos 5 and it's full compliment of tools.
During my Facebook inspirational post that I do from time to time - I use Logos 5 and it's full compliment of tools to research the topic and do word studies.
During Facebook Scripture post - I use Logos 5 and share the post using a customized "Copy Bible Verses".
Reading plans - I use Logos 5 and Logos (Bible) App.
In a nutshell, I use Logos 5 for anything I do while at home and use the mobile apps for anything on the road or away from my home.
And that ladies and gentlemen is the definition of a Logos Fanatic...LOL...I think if you really wanted to do an "in a nutshell" thing, your last sentence would've been enough. [;)]
I think it was in these forums that I read that someone was so amazed at Logos that at times he just found himself staring at the interface screen or just browsing the library for the sake of looking at it...LOL
By the way, does using Logos for "anything" you do while at home include cooking? Since Morris Proctor once suggested that you could build a personal book containing your favorite recipes LOL I would post the link to the video, but that was during the Libronix days, so I think they removed the video from the site.
Anyway, just messing with you. Don't take it personal.
Blessings!
DAL
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DAL;
LOL. My fingers got tired, so I just paraphrased the "In a nutshell" and concluded. Lol
I have a sense of humor also. It's always good to see that someone else has one as well. [:D]
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This is sad but I think mostly true. What does this say about preachers and about people?Denise said:I notice so far 'listening to the speaker' is a key attribute. But I suspect this is the significant minority. Throughout my many decades of church attending (and humorous exploration), the ability of a church member (mainly protestant) to identify what the pastor spoke on is not good, just minutes later. And this, after a typical full-day of sermon preparation.
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Bruce Dunning said:
This is sad but I think mostly true. What does this say about preachers and about people?Denise said:I notice so far 'listening to the speaker' is a key attribute. But I suspect this is the significant minority. Throughout my many decades of church attending (and humorous exploration), the ability of a church member (mainly protestant) to identify what the pastor spoke on is not good, just minutes later. And this, after a typical full-day of sermon preparation.
Among other things, it suggests that preachers often aren't (anywhere near) as good as they think they are.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Bruce Dunning said:
This is sad but I think mostly true. What does this say about preachers and about people?Denise said:I notice so far 'listening to the speaker' is a key attribute. But I suspect this is the significant minority. Throughout my many decades of church attending (and humorous exploration), the ability of a church member (mainly protestant) to identify what the pastor spoke on is not good, just minutes later. And this, after a typical full-day of sermon preparation.
It is not what was said in the sermons that people will remember, but the general impression and the points that speak to them personally, and the helps provided in the moments of needs that will stay with the members.
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Denise said:
I notice so far 'listening to the speaker' is a key attribute. But I suspect this is the significant minority. Throughout my many decades of church attending (and humorous exploration), the ability of a church member (mainly protestant) to identify what the pastor spoke on is not good, just minutes later. And this, after a typical full-day of sermon preparation.
Normally, a good point or a humorous comment is dependably remembered. An hour later, the situation deteriorates considerably. Lunchtime merits icey stares, if one goes beyond 'My, the sermon seems especially appropriate today?'. That's with the ladies. With the guys, it better have something to do with football or politics.
I don't have a photographic memory or total recall, but I tend to remember what is said if it is indeed memorable. Of course, much of what gets said from pulpits isn't worthy of recollection. I have a schema that I am constantly tweaking and as I hear information, it immediately gets filed in its appropriate spot or spots. I have noticed over the years, that many, indeed most of the people I have fellowshipped with have a concept retention process that is flimsy at best. There are a few exceptions, but even those folks often forget content that I know they were privy to, even participated in. Just a couple weeks back, a friend of mine and I went to eat after Tohraah study with another friend we hadn't seen in a while. As soon as we sat with our food, he asked about "between the two evenings". I went through it, but afterward my other friend and I remarked that we were surprised he would ask about that, primariy because I had given at least three presentations on a white board in years past on the subject. Not only that, but this same guy had invited me to his house and we spent 2-3 hours going over the details of Exodus 12 and related chapters.
On numerous occasions I have made a statement that challenged and corrected various common misconceptions during our midrash. Most often, I get nods and even verbal indications of comprehension and agreement. Then, just weeks later, the same person(s) will repeat the same misconception, such as a verse quoted in a faulty context. I really don't know what to say about that. As a teacher with regular and special education experience, I am still surprised and often disappointed by how flaccid many people's thinking is and how poor their recall often is. Is see it even in folks who are otherwise fairly bright, like engineers and such. The whole word could use an I.V. drip of metacognitive concepts, methinks.
Anyway, to the OP's query, I often use a projector and teach directly out of Logos...which for me is L3. I may on occasion also pull up L5 if it's needed, but it usually isn't. All of my notes are in L3, and I use my L3 notes pretty much as an on-the-fly PowerPoint presentation. When I am listening to other speakers, or in a group discussion, I will frequently make notes related to what is being discussed. The Tohraah study leader will often ask me to look something up on my computer that is being discussed, usually a verse that's been mentioned. Sometimes I will pull up info from other resources, like a Bible dictionary. If the info is something I esteem to be enduringly relevant, I will usually cut and paste it into a note so that it will just be a mouse hover away next time I'm "in the neighborhood".
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Dave, this and so many other posts/replies here are a blessing to and for me. Thanks for your consistent grace and kindness in here.
I liked how you used your tool to be Berean and am relieved your Pastor was spot on too - yay.
David Paul I did a doubletake on this one:
"....often disappointed by how flaccid many people's thinking is and how poor their recall often is. Is see it even in folks who are otherwise fairly bright, like engineers and such. The whole word could use an I.V. drip of metacognitive concepts."
Thanks for weighing in too. Interesting choice of words. Reminds me of one translation of the Bible in which Jesus asks "Are you still so dull?"
I know I would have sheepishly said "Yes, Lord, please help me sharpen me for your sake....remembering what YOU say really does matter to me". Then I know he would love on me [:)]
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JoshInRI said:
David Paul I did a doubletake on this one:
"....often disappointed by how flaccid many people's thinking is and how poor their recall often is. I see it even in folks who are otherwise fairly bright, like engineers and such. The whole world could use an I.V. drip of metacognitive concepts."
Thanks for weighing in too. Interesting choice of words. Reminds me of one translation of the Bible in which Jesus asks "Are you still so dull?"
Yes...Jer. 4:22.
JoshInRI said:I know I would have sheepishly said "Yes, Lord, please help me sharpen me for your sake....remembering what YOU say really does matter to me". Then I know he would love on me
First things first...sorry for the typos. [:O] Pesky things...
I am fairly sure that the most important thing that any human can pray for at this point in history, and it is probably always a top-5 issue at all times, is:
- Eyes to see
- Ears to hear
- Vision, insight, and wisdom
Given that Christians are fairly adept at recognizing Biblical failure in other Christians (typically describing it as "deception"), it only makes common sense to assume that the assumption you are not also likewise deceived is a failure of insight on your part. In other words, you should fully expect and believe that you are already deceived--after all, prophecy says you are, and that is a tar brush that paints all. Let me put this another way: prophecy mocks "eternal security" unmercifully. It is probably hassaattaan's most effective weapon. Every single one of the self-assured clods who calls Yeishuu`a "Lord" in Mt. 7:21, 22 is 100% certain that he or she swims in an ocean of eternal security--to their eternal detriment.
Prophecy describes a situation in which those who "call themselves" by His name are so blinded that they don't even recognize their blindness. They lack vision and are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Understand that on some level this is prophetically inevitable and touches everyone. (Rev. 12:9) Getting testy and defensive is the recipe for death. Only those who allow prophecy to guide them through the prophesied darkness that according to prophecy blankets the earth now will position themselves (by humbly asking for eyes, ears, vision, insight, and wisdom) for the revelation that is described as coming at the end. If you want my advice, cry out...beg and plead in tears...for these necessary things.
As great a tool as Logos is in accomplishing Dan. 12's endtime works of granting insight (see Dan. 11:33, 35; Dan. 12:3, 10) by going "to and fro" (Dan. 12:4) through Scripture in ways that were impossible prior to the advent of digital technology, it doesn't provide the humility that will be absolutely necessary in mountainous profusion if one is to be able to see what was hidden in plain sight within the Book (Dan. 12:9), and that includes the whole Book, not just Daniel's book. The main thing to understand (Dan. 12:10) is that you will not believe the things that He says are true when He begins to reveal them in the time of the end. (Hab. 1:5) You are not the exception. This will be true even of those who come to eventually accept those endtime revelations to their salvation.
How can these things be? Prophecy describes them in great detail. Specifically, the famine of the hearing of the Word of YHWH (Amos 8:11, 12, and notice especially v.12 if you think my interpretation of Daniel's "going to and fro" is in error) is in full raging force right now. One thing is needful. STOP reading the Bible as a human, and read it from HIS perspective (no, you haven't been doing this) and believe what HE says about what brings Him glory...
...and then pray for Him to remove the cloud of endtime deception by granting you those three things, giving Him no rest, as if your life depends on it.
It does.
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David Paul said:
I am fairly sure that the most important thing that any human can pray for at this point in history, and it is probably always a top-5 issue at all times, is:
- Eyes to see
- Ears to hear
- Vision, insight, and wisdom
My prayer is similar - but it is not that I want my people to see, hear, or understand me. My voice may just be noise - my prayer is that in the midst of that noise they will hear God's voice. Whether I said it, they heard it in conversation with their neighbor, in the day's music, or from their Bible - may they hear the voice of God speaking to them that morning. I am merely a voice - may God use me.
Blessings,
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Bruce and others, my minister's sermon can sometimes be over one hour. I would be hard pressed if I can recall much of it later in the week (something I am not proud of).
I respect my Pastor and he preaches expositionally from one Book line by line but often draws from multiple Scriptures. Never really asked him if he would mind my looking up something he triggered a search for while he is preaching. It never occured to me that was rude. I do know some in the church might think it so but now I wonder what they will think when i turn on my surface, stylus in hand and begin to follow along using searches and various other books at the same time.
Some people in here may even preach from a Tablet, for example a Surface Pro. Wonder who they are and how they feel about this all?
I was curious if the speed of lookups is as frustrating to others as it is for me at times.
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JoshInRI said:
Bruce and others, my minister's sermon can sometimes be over one hour. I would be hard pressed if I can recall much of it later in the week (something I am not proud of).
I respect my Pastor and he preaches expositionally from one Book line by line but often draws from multiple Scriptures. Never really asked him if he would mind my looking up something he triggered a search for while he is preaching. It never occured to me that was rude. I do know some in the church might think it so but now I wonder what they will think when i turn on my surface, stylus in hand and begin to follow along using searches and various other books at the same time.
Some people in here may even preach from a Tablet, for example a Surface Pro. Wonder who they are and how they feel about this all?
I was curious if the speed of lookups is as frustrating to others as it is for me at times.
Josh, this is just one man's opinion, but I can't think of anything more absurd than someone getting hot and bothered about the way someone else chooses to engage and respond to a Scripture reading. Unless your activity creates a noisy disturbance, I don't see where anyone has a right to even have an opinion about it. Rigidity kills. Remember that. I've given Bible studies that lasted anywhere from an hour to 3-4 hours, and on occasion even longer than that with just 1-6 people in an informal setting. I teach straight out of Logos, either directly from my laptop or with a projector.
I use L3 and I never have search or look-up problems, and if L4/5 is properly indexed, you should have even less of a problem. What searches might entail when using handhelds I can't say--I don't use them and would never want to. I don't have a smartphone or a tablet and don't want one...at least until they are more fully functional. Truth is, because I am constantly creating notes, I think I will always be a laptop user.
I will say this: where I'm at in my walk, the vast majority of Scripture discussions I participate in are what would probably be considered informal, even in larger settings. There is very little "show" in what takes place. Whether I'm listening or speaking, the idea that hands can't be raised and questions asked is unthinkable. I personally don't even care if someone wants to disagree significantly with what I'm presenting, though that rarely happens. Even when I use a projector, it isn't showy; it's just the Book big enough to see. I can easily go through one to two dozen books of the Bible and multiple dozens of Scriptures in an hour or so. For me, it's all about comprehension. Maybe it's because I'm an educator by profession, but I'm constantly asking if there are any questions or issues or concerns. Dealing with such things takes time, which is why my studies can last for hours, but it tends to keep people's attention when their specific questions are being addressed. I usually let my audience tell me when they've had enough. For many folks, it's about an hour or so, but I've gone about ten hours with 1-4 people who were really into it. On a few occasions, I've watched the sun come up.
If you are in a setting where making the most of your time, interest, curiosity, and desire (and using Logos to do it) is considered a problem, I wouldn't think about it for more than a split second--I would be out of there so fast, there wouldn't even be a blur.
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Floyd Johnson said:David Paul said:
I am fairly sure that the most important thing that any human can pray for at this point in history, and it is probably always a top-5 issue at all times, is:
- Eyes to see
- Ears to hear
- Vision, insight, and wisdom
My prayer is similar - but it is not that I want my people to see, hear, or understand me. My voice may just be noise - my prayer is that in the midst of that noise they will hear God's voice. Whether I said it, they heard it in conversation with their neighbor, in the day's music, or from their Bible - may they hear the voice of God speaking to them that morning. I am merely a voice - may God use me.
i would add to that list a heart that understands. Matthew 13:13-15; Isa 6:9-10
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During Bible study: Yes. I use Logos 5 for looking up bible references raised during bible study discussions. I tend to use PDF Annotator to keep my Bible Study answers. I don't use L5 to look up various commentators during the bible study discussion itself. It's too distracting. Better to do that prior to the evening and bring written answers along.
During Sermons: Only on occasion. I started taking my convertible laptop tablet pc along but since L5 handwriting input was broken when Win 8.1 came along I haven't used it. Useful for fact checking when some background matter differs from my recollection.
Since then I miss it and using the mobile version of L5 isn't possible for me as I have a Windows Phone smartphone.
Note taking is an important technique for me primarily as a way to keep focused on the sermon and also as a memory device. By writing at the same time, in some way it engages my mind more intensively and I can recall what was said much better than I otherwise would by just passively listening. Questioning and making further and immediate enquiry also assists my learning process. HTH
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JoshInRI said:
Who here uses Logos 5.0 for (ahem) quick searches and lookups at a Bible Study?
My iPad is the only Bible I carry to Church. Use it to teach S/S and the Sunday Evening Teen group. During morning worship/Wednesday evening, I try not to lose the Pastor [8-|], although I will admit to some quick BWS lookups.
Oops, did not notice that this was a revived old thread.
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*Shhhhh* Jack, just back out slowly...I'll wind up the music box with Brahms's lullaby on it.
[8] "Go to sleep...go to sleep..." [8] [|-)]
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SineNomine said:
Among other things, it suggests that preachers often aren't (anywhere near) as good as they think they are.
[Y] This I understand
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Kent said:
If Brahms doesn't work, it's always good to have a back-up plan. This is probably better than most.
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