Why does the "AND" search boolean work on "Bible" searches but not "Basic "

When I type pray "AND" healed on a "Bible" search I get only verses that have both words (which is what I want). But when I use that boolean query on "Basic" searches I get verses with just pray or healed and both words (which is not what I am searching for).

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DMB

Early in the printing of the Bible, sentence/verse numbers were assigned. These later offerred an easy assumed 'world' for a Bible search. So, 'AND' has a search world of the 'verse'.

In non-Bible searches, the search world could be a line, sentence, paragraph or ???. So most search engines either allow a default world (eg 40 words) or demand the user specify (eg 'NEAR'). Logos is the latter.

An 'AND' with no basic search limitation (eg 'NEAR') is unlimited and so meaningless (as you found). An 'OR' simply turns the search combination into single word searches (as you found).

That's one of several reasons Google appears to users to be the more intuitive to use. It defaults the search world dynamically. Logos could do this as well if they wanted to. However, they tend to build towards an expert user (who lives in Australia and rides motorcycles).

Rich DeRuiter

When I type pray "AND" healed on a "Bible" search I get only verses that have both words (which is what I want). But when I use that boolean query on "Basic" searches I get verses with just pray or healed and both words (which is not what I am searching for).

What you have found is how Logos works: if you want your search limited to verses - that is, you want to find your two (or more) words in the confines of a verse, use the Bible search.

The basic search is designed for looking at other types of resources and so does not confine itself to verses. It will find instances of those terms in a resource when two (or more) are found in that resource. The "NEAR" parameter can be used to help try to find instances where the two terms occur closely together. The "WITHIN" command can narrow this down more closely.

It's often helpful in the basic search to not search "All Text" but to narrow it down to one of the search fields provided.

Mike Childs

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/567388#Comment_567388

Early in the printing of the Bible, sentence/verse numbers were assigned. These later offerred an easy assumed 'world' for a Bible search. So, 'AND' has a search world of the 'verse'.

In non-Bible searches, the search world could be a line, sentence, paragraph or ???. So most search engines either allow a default world (eg 40 words) or demand the user specify (eg 'NEAR'). Logos is the latter.

An 'AND' with no basic search limitation (eg 'NEAR') is unlimited and so meaningless (as you found). An 'OR' simply turns the search combination into single word searches (as you found).

That's one of several reasons Google appears to users to be the more intuitive to use. It defaults the search world dynamically. Logos could do this as well if they wanted to. However, they tend to build towards an expert user (who lives in Australia and rides motorcycles).

An excellent explanation. Even I can understand that. [Y]

And I didn't know you rode motorcycles. [Y][Y]

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/567388#Comment_567388

However, they tend to build towards an expert user (who lives in Australia and rides motorcycles).

Teehee... And his opinion does seem to matter a lot. To me, too, as I've never seen even the 1st trace of ego in one of his posts... it's always for others, on task... Yet you do have a point: he is an expert... much more so than most of us...

Kudos, Dave... (You were talking Dave Hooton. Right?)

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/567462#Comment_567462

Yes, Bill. I've never figured out how he knows so much. It has to be the motorcycles.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/567462#Comment_567462

However, they tend to build towards an expert user (who lives in Australia and rides motorcycles).

Teehee... And his opinion does seem to matter a lot. To me, too, as I've never seen even the 1st trace of ego in one of his posts... it's always for others, on task... Yet you do have a point: he is an expert... much more so than most of us...

Kudos, Dave... (You were talking Dave Hooton. Right?)

Very gracious, Bill. I appreciate your humility and generosity.

Denise,

Libronix Search was built for experts - it offered more (incl. Graphical Query) yet was simpler than Logos Search e.g. the rules for mixing proximity operators, Boolean operators and the morphological operator @; or having to change morphological syntax between Morph and Bible Search (and get rid of the noise words to make the Bible query easier to read).

The motorcycle was built to take you away from the complex issues of life and Logos. Things appear so much simpler after a couple of hours on the bike[:)]

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/567499#Comment_567499

Michael ... there's only one intelligent motorcycle forum member (coincidentally from Australia). Another one used to ride knobby-tires in the rain in Florida (thereby loosing her claim to minimum intelligence).

Dave ... you carefully did not let us know how you know so much. Hmmm.

Steve Rajczyk

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/567388#Comment_567388

OK. that makes sense...thanks

Mike Childs

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/567504#Comment_567504

Michael ... there's only one intelligent motorcycle forum member (coincidentally from Australia). Another one used to ride knobby-tires in the rain in Florida (thereby loosing her claim to minimum intelligence).

Dave ... you carefully did not let us know how you know so much. Hmmm.

My bad. My wallpaper on my computer is a 30 year old picture of me riding my three year old son on my motorcycle. Any mention of motorcycles will bring back memories.