Why We Need Logos Versions of Journals, NOT Galaxie!!

For my DMin class at Knox I am reading an article by Scott A. Swanson entitled "Can We Reproduce the Exegesis of the New Testament? Why Are We Still Asking?" for the Trinity Journal. We were give a PDF but I noticed I had the article in my Galaxie collection. Reading it I was shocked at how many Scripture reference hyperlinks were missing and how often the author sited works that were in Logos format. I cannot say the following list is complete, but it give some idea of how much more useful a Logos version of this Journal would be. BTW it took three hours to produce this list!

R. N. Longenecker, “Can We Reproduce the Exegesis of the New Testament?” TynBul 21 (1970) 3

Scott A. Swanson, “Can We Reproduce The Exegesis Of The New Testament? Why Are We Still Asking?” Trinity Journal 17, no. 1 (1996): 65

R. N. Longenecker, Biblical Exegesis in the Apostolic Period (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1975)

R. N. Longenecker, “Who Is the Prophet Talking About? Some Reflections on the New Testament Use of the Old,” Themelios 13 (1987) 4–8.

M. Silva, “Old Testament in Paul,” in Dictionary of Paul and his Letters [ed. G. F. Hawthorne and R. P. Martin; Downers Grove: InterVarsity, 1993] 637

M. Silva, “The New Testament Use of the Old Testament: Text Form and Authority,” in Scripture and Truth, 160

G. K. Beale, “Did Jesus and His Followers Preach the Right Doctrine from the Wrong Texts?” Themelios 14 [1989] 89, and n. 3)

G. P. Hugenberger, “Introductory Notes on Typology,” in The Right Doctrine from the Wrong Texts? Essays on the Use of the Old Testament in the New (ed. G. K. Beale; Grand Rapids: Baker, 1994) 341 and n. 59

W. C. Kaiser, Jr. with M. Silva, Introduction to Biblical Hermeneutics (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1994) 37–38

W. C. Kaiser, Toward an Exegetical Theology (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1981) 106–14

W. C. Kaiser, “The Eschatological Hermeneutics of ‘Epangelicalism’: Promise Theology,” JETS 13 (1970) 92–96.

W. C. Kaiser, “The Promise to David in Psalm 16 and its Application in Acts 2:25–35 and 13:32–37, ” JETS 23 (1980) 219–29, esp. 224–26

D. Juel, Messianic Exegesis: Christological Interpretation of the Old Testament in Early Christianity (Philadelphia: Fortress, 1988) 19–22.

R. Nicole, “The Old Testament in the New Testament,” in The Expositor’s Bible Commentary, Vol. 1 (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1979) 622–23;

D. A. Oss, “Canon as Context: The Function of Sensus Plenior in Evangelical Hermeneutics,” Grace Theological Journal 9 (1988) 105–27.

J. I. Packer, “Infallible Scripture and the Role of Hermeneutics,” in Scripture and Truth (ed. D. A. Carson and J. D. Woodbridge; Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1983) 350

R. D. Kunjummen, “The Single Intent of Scripture—Critical Examination of a Theological Construct,” Grace Theological Journal 7 (1986) 95, n. 50

P. F. Fairbairn, The Typology of Scripture, Vol. 1 [reprint; New York: Funk and Wagnalls, 1900] 23 (In Community Pricing. Bid now!!)

G. R. Osborne’s The Hermeneutical Spiral (Downers Grove: InterVarsity, 1991)

Introduction to Biblical Interpretation (Dallas: Word, 1993), by W. W. Klein, C. L. Blomberg, and R. L. Hubbard, Jr., has more claim to comprehensiveness in devoting most of a chapter to this issue under the title “The Goal of Interpretation.”

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TCBlack

Thanks for the demonstration Keith. The level of interlinking between resources within Logos is a key selling point for the platform in general. Plus, I now see a list of articles that I wish I had enough time to read.

Eccles 12:12.

Danny Parker

But the questions are

1. How much more are you willing to pay for it? If you double the price for better linking would it be worth it?

2. If the option is to not have it at all in LOGOS or have it in a less than perfect manner, which would you choose?

In a perfect world I would choose having it all. In our world, I am willing to make compromises.

tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/570963#Comment_570963

But the questions are

1. How much more are you willing to pay for it? If you double the price for better linking would it be worth it?

2. If the option is to not have it at all in LOGOS or have it in a less than perfect manner, which would you choose?

In a perfect world I would choose having it all. In our world, I am willing to make compromises.

[y]

Keith Larson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/570963#Comment_570963

But the questions are

1. How much more are you willing to pay for it? If you double the price for better linking would it be worth it?

2. If the option is to not have it at all in LOGOS or have it in a less than perfect manner, which would you choose?

In a perfect world I would choose having it all. In our world, I am willing to make compromises.

For some of the more important journals I am willing to pay more and quite frankly I do not want all the journals offered in the Galaxie collection, so are quite useless to me. I didn't mind receiving them as part of the bundle, but if I had to purchase them individually we would not.

The one thing I am concerned about is that the email said some of the journal publisher are not willing to work with Logos. I am also curious if Logos will offer an attractive "upgrade" price for current owners of the Galaxie versions.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/570966#Comment_570966

I am also curious if Logos will offer an attractive "upgrade" price for current owners of the Galaxie versions.

But will Logos update all the old Galaxie journals or just offer enhanced versions of new journals?

Danny Parker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/570966#Comment_570966

Keith,

I would doubt if there will be any 'upgrade' price (but who knows). The issue is really one of what it costs. With journals (and other books as well), a premium cost will be involved in producing them - thus a premium price is required if a company wants to stay in business. In so many of the conversations about price, often we want low cost/top quality/capability. But for a business this is not usually possible. Often LOGOS is the high priced solution, but provides a top quality/capable product. We get what we pay for.

My concern in recent days has been whether increased capability is worth the cost. It seems that with the many new LOGOS capabilities, costs are increasing. Is this why we see the various publishers dropping out and discounts at a lower rate? In an increasingly competitive world, there is a danger of having the absolutely best quality with the most bells and whistles. It can result in a product that prices itself out of the market. Some of the American TV companies did this very thing I believe as an example.

My thought is that one must carefully keep costs and capabilities and quality in balance. This is especially true when we talk about reading material. The search capabilities are differentiators until or if they impact the quickness to market and/or the price the marketplace can bear. A reader wants a book when he wants it and at a price he can afford. Timing and/or pricing can drive a reader to other sources over night.

Tough issues for sure for a company. Not as simple as we consumers who want everything desire.

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/571000#Comment_571000

I am also curious if Logos will offer an attractive "upgrade" price for current owners of the Galaxie versions.

But will Logos update all the old Galaxie journals or just offer enhanced versions of new journals?

Our plan is to provide the updated files for existing journals free of charge to those who already own them. This is in keeping with how we've handled other resource updates (e.g., Ages Software) and our commitment not to make you purchase the exact same content twice.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/571123#Comment_571123

Our plan is to provide the updated files for existing journals free of charge to those who already own them. This is in keeping with how we've handled other resource updates (e.g., Ages Software) and our commitment not to make you purchase the exact same content twice.

So to be clear, you're intending not only to produce new editions of journals, but also to re-create at least some of the journals we already have, and provide free upgrades where you do so? If you could do what you did with Spurgeon and Calvin, that would be terrific!

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/571131#Comment_571131

So to be clear, you're intending not only to produce new editions of journals, but also to re-create at least some of the journals we already have, and provide free upgrades where you do so? If you could do what you did with Spurgeon and Calvin, that would be terrific!

Very encouraging [Y]

Ken McGuire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/571138#Comment_571138

I do hope that resources will be upgraded to take advantage of all the linking that can be done in Logos. But as I found out with the recent Schaff-Herzog, even recent Logos resources have missing (and sometimes wrong) links. It was a great deal for the 28 bucks I paid for, but it did not include the linking for which I hope.

Having created a few PB's, I understand a bit about how difficult it is to chase down references and create links - and the PB's I have made are not heavy works filled with links like academic journals or reference books. But the promise of what could be done will almost certainly always exceed what can actually economically be done - no matter who is doing it.

SDG

Mark Barnes

I think I'm right in saying that Galaxie's policy was not to link to anything apart from Bible references, until Logos put their foot down. We saw the fruits of that in volumes 14 and 15, which are the only ones with the quality of links we've come to expect in Logos products.

JoshInRI

Blessings for all this hard work.

What is a "galaxie" please?

Keith Larson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/571123#Comment_571123

This is great news!

While on the topic of hyperlinks it occurred to me that it would be helpful for there to be a way of reporting missing or broken hyperlinks in much the same way we can report typos. It is quite easy to create the hyperlinks: just go to the correct location and then press Ctrl+Alt+C. Over time with hundreds of users doing this the quality of Logos resources will get better and better!

Related question, can we do this already using the typo reporting?

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/571157#Comment_571157

What is a "galaxie" please?

Galaxie is the name of the company who lisenced the Journals for Logos to use.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/571166#Comment_571166

What is a "galaxie" please?

Galaxie is the name of the company who licensed the Journals for Logos to use.

See here: https://www.galaxie.com/

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/570963#Comment_570963

But the questions are

1. How much more are you willing to pay for it? If you double the price for better linking would it be worth it?

2. If the option is to not have it at all in LOGOS or have it in a less than perfect manner, which would you choose?

In a perfect world I would choose having it all. In our world, I am willing to make compromises.

You can always copy a citation and paste it into the bible of your choice so that, while less convenient that linking, it's not prohibitive.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/571165#Comment_571165

Related question, can we do this already using the typo reporting?

Yes. Can't comment on how long it will take Logos to fix the link, however.

JoshInRI

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/571176#Comment_571176

I thought it might be familiar. I use something similar for free through my school link at Luther Rice Seminary for papers and such.

I wish we had every issues of Answers in Genesis and other important Journals through Logos.

Thanks for being so supportive and helpful and ministering to me everyone.