SUGGESTION: Bart Ehrman Collection
I would like Logos to offer Bart Ehrman's stuff. A computer crash had me reading hard copies over the last week or so, and I just finished God's Problem. Highly quotable...would love to be able to cut-and-paste rather than have to type it all out.
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I also like Bart. His book on second century manuscripts is good. Apostolic Fathers. Gnosticism. Currently reading his Gospel of Jude book, which I missed earlier.
I think he has fun pulling Christianity's toes with comparative ease, and watching them squeal.
I was sharing beers with an Ehrman fan before Christmas and explaining how Ehrman was taking on water from the atheistic side. They're livid. Ehrman just won't sit still so everyone can get the right label glued on.
I can understand Logos not selling Ehrman, but it'd be nice to at least have apologetics equal to his points. I always argue with my Ehrman friend, that he has a lengthy list of future books in mind, since he never really brings out the heavy duty weaknesses in Christianity.
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I would like Logos to offer Bart Ehrman's stuff.I like fairy tales….
Ah - so you don't like Ehrman 'cause he lacks the cultural and psychological depth of a "fairy tale"[:(]
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I got to meet him at New Orleans Baptist Seminary's Greer-Heard lectures. He was actually in dialogue with Craig Evans, but Evans really didn't disagree. When Ben Witherington got up to speak and Ehrman questioned him, sparks were flying, and Ehrman was visibly upset. He is a great speaker, even if he over states his case from time to time.
A great Greer-Heard lecture that I only have on audio (I did not attend) was with Dan Wallace and Bart Ehrman on the text of the New Testament. I have listened to that one over and over, and it is fascinating. They are both great speakers.
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A great Greer-Heard lecture that I only have on audio (I did not attend) was with Dan Wallace and Bart Ehrman on the text of the New Testament.
Are you referring to this one?
I would like Logos to offer Bart Ehrman's stuff. A computer crash had me reading hard copies over the last week or so, and I just finished God's Problem. Highly quotable...would love to be able to cut-and-paste rather than have to type it all out.
Not a bad idea, but I wonder whether it might almost as well be offered in Verso. I don't think there is much more that scripture linking (Verso does link to scripture passages, doesn't it?).
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his books are not "Christian".
Nor does Ehrman claim they are. However, please remember that the forums are not the place to declare who is or is not Christian ... or dumb. Is's priest might be a forum member.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
his books are not "Christian".Nor does Ehrman claim they are. However, please remember that the forums are not the place to declare who is or is not Christian ... or dumb. Is's priest might be a forum member.
I never called Ehman dumb - the man is quite intelligent. I called some of his professional conclusions dumb (perhaps a better word would be "laughable" [:O]). Have you watched the debate he had with Dan Wallace? Bart has set the bar for evidence so high, even Dan was shocked!
Also, I see no problem with stating that his work is not Christian. It simply isn't. Vysro is for "Christian ebooks" - do you think Ehman's most recent books fit this category?
Thank you MJ:) The funny thing is, I'm still unsure what to call him. I've heard some refer to him as Father Jeremy, but me, it's more "buddy" or "mate" or the good old Aussie "cobba". This whole priest rather than Pastor thingy is confusing to me...lol! One of my kids asked me during the service why Fr. Jeremy was wearing different coloured robes than previous...lost for an answer, and seeing a beautiful floral arrangement up the front with the same colours dominating...I gently whispered, "it's to match the flowers". Well, evidently, I didn't whisper softly enough, because the raucous laughter that proceeded from those closest to us made the priest think revival had come...lol!his books are not "Christian".Nor does Ehrman claim they are. However, please remember that the forums are not the place to declare who is or is not Christian ... or dumb. Is's priest might be a forum member.
Bump.
Ehrman Collection please.
For such a smart man, it is fascinating that his conclusions are rather dumb. I'd like to see his books in Logos, but not in Vysro - his books are not "Christian".
Ehrman doesn't really say anything different from what your run-of-the-mill text critic would say—he's simply more provocative about it. Most text critics, e.g., will admit that some manuscripts were altered from their exemplars for theological reasons, but Ehrman choses to call it "misquoting Jesus." Admittedly Ehrman has a rather non-Christian view of scripture, but you might also if you discovered that those in whom you had placed your confidence that they were directing you in the right path had been dishonest with you. Saying "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" won't solve your problem.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
Ehrman choses to call it "misquoting Jesus."
Perhaps I have a bit more sympathy for Ehrman because of my experience: a biology professor teaching that certain chemicals could not be made in the lab - chemicals necessary for the chemical stew for evolution; unfortunately, I made said chemicals in honors chemistry the same quarter. If you have to lie to support your beliefs, I've been taught that something is wrong. My Daddy taught me that much before I started school.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
Ehrman choses to call it "misquoting Jesus."Perhaps I have a bit more sympathy for Ehrman because of my experience: a biology professor teaching that certain chemicals could not be made in the lab - chemicals necessary for the chemical stew for evolution; unfortunately, I made said chemicals in honors chemistry the same quarter. If you have to lie to support your beliefs, I've been taught that something is wrong. My Daddy taught me that much before I started school.
I would agree that lying to support your beliefs indicates something is wrong with them. That doesn't mean, however, that Christianity itself is wrong, but that your understanding of it is wrong. I think that is Ehrman's problem—the understanding he had been taught regarding the faith was wrong.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
I think that is Ehrman's problem—the understanding he had been taught regarding the faith was wrong.
I agree wholeheartedly. But, unfortunately, I see people go both ways - some to find a better Christianity, some to a no religion stance.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."