Mark Driscoll Sermon Archive ... no longer sold?Closed
Hi.
I noticed on my wish list that Mark Driscoll's Sermon Archive is no longer sold.
Has anybody heard anything about this? Or is this a site error?
Thanks.
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Hmm, not trying to get anything started, but could it be related to his plagiarism in the past? Maybe some of those sermons contained material that was not originally his. Who knows! Personally, I could care less. Everybody uses someone else's material anyway. We use the Bible which is from God, and we use commentaries, illustrations, etc. that someone else wrote. Oh well!
DAL
God doesn't mind if you use him as a source as long as you give credit: "Thus saith the Lord"
Nobody uses that expression anymore. We use the equivalents, "The Word of God says" or in simple terms "The Bible says" or even "Jesus said" or to your surprise, "The Apostle Paul said" (knowing he was inspired and that his words came from God).
The only time people say "Thus saith the Lord" (old English) is in illustrations to "illustrate" the point that we must speak God's Word and not ours.
Just an observation [;)]
Ps. The way I give credit to the sources is by listing them in the foot notes, but I don't say, "Let me give you an illustration I got from the book '1001 Illustrations that Connect' page 28, by author Larson and Ten - Zondervan Publications copy right 2008." That'd be ridiculous for a preacher to state all that information before giving an illustration. Besides, there are some topics that may seem plagiarized but are not because if you ask the question: "Why do people sin?" Many of the answers by different people are the same because it's common sense. I could have my list of ten reasons why people sin and it may very well be the same 10 reasons author so and so published in his book and now am I a plagiarizer just because he published them in a book and I didn't but I still use them because I came up with the same ideas on a topic that's pretty much going to yield the same results? There may be things you shouldn't plagiarize but there are others where things you "come up with" are just common sense and others will "come up with" them no matter what.
Anyway, just my 2 cents on that.
I'm just surprised Protestant pastors treat each other similar to priests (just missing a pope or two). Pastors apparently like to manage each other, demand proper apologies, and require bowing down with appropriate obsequiousness. Whatever happened to the NT-ish thing? All Driscoll needs to do is quote Apostle Paul 'I do not lie!' Works great.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
I'm just surprised Protestant pastors treat each other similar to priests (just missing a pope or two). Pastors apparently like to manage each other, demand proper apologies, and require bowing down with appropriate obsequiousness. Whatever happened to the NT-ish thing? All Driscoll needs to do is quote Apostle Paul 'I do not lie!' Works great.
Well, as one Spanish version says, "Some think religion is a business" 1 Timothy 6:5 or as the usual says, "Some think godliness is a way of gain." Or as the Amplified version says, "...who imagine that godliness or righteousness is a source of profit [a moneymaking business, a means of livelihood]. From such withdraw."
The Amplified Bible. (1987). (1 Ti 6:5). La Habra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.
Reminds me of an old preacher who once was told by one of the members that the sermon he had preached was not his because the member said he had read it in "Brother so and so's book." To that the old preacher replied, "Nope, that sermon is mine. I paid $2.50 for it, so it's mine." Or as another preacher said, "The key to originality is to forget where you got it from." [:P]
haha.
I don't want to revel in the defeat (under siege?) of a brother.
However DAL, the way I heard that was in regards to sermon illustrations. First time you use it, you're careful to cite Spurgeon for his story verbally and in the bulletin, the second time, there is an asterisk in the bulletin, and size 6 font source attribution. The third through 10th times, an old friend once told me, and finally from eleven into eternity "so this one time, I was...".
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I noticed on my wish list that Mark Driscoll's Sermon Archive is no longer sold.
Has anybody heard anything about this? Or is this a site error?
I didn't notice this but I have considered getting this. I would like to know more too.
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"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
I do not know a thing about Driscoll. I am too old, I suspect to know him well. I do recall that when Catherine Marshall published the sermons of the late Peter Marshall there was controversy over things that he had "borrowed" from other preachers. Of course, Catherine was unaware of the problem when she published.
I do know this: I have never heard a preacher, no matter how famous or highly regarded, that did not borrow illustrations. Occasionally, that happens by coincidence - two people read the same book or were similarly impressed by some event. More often, it happens because they heard it in someone's sermon - who, by the way, heard it in someone else's sermon.
Using an illustration is, in my humble opinion, far different from using someone's ideas - taking their sermon and preaching it as your own, without giving credit. That is inexcusable. And you need to be aware of your own preaching style. Not every story can effectively be told by every preacher.
One thing that does bug me is when preachers tell a story as true without verifying the facts - like the sweet story of Alexander Fleming saving young Winston Churchill from drowning, Churchill's father paying for Fleming's medical school, and Churchill's life being saved by the penicillin that Fleming discovers. (Did not happen! Yet I hear it frequently. Always verify facts. Your listeners will.)
Of course, publishing has a somewhat higher standard than just preaching, but most Christian books have illustrations that I have heard or used before.
If someone tells me they do not borrow illustrations, I watch them closely, suspecting they might tell me another lie. And I certainly wouldn't listen to such a person preach.
All of which reminds me of the story - I borrowed this illustration - of the preacher who complained that Billy Graham stole one of his sermons. "Billy Graham must have read my sermon. He preached it practically word for word, and hundreds came forward to receive Christ." Someone asked him, "Really, what was the response when you preached it?". He replied, "Oh, not much. It was an ordinary Sunday, what can you expect?" The other man said, "Better let Billy have that sermon. He can do more with than you can."
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley
Well, this is where I'm just going to have to come down hard on Pastor Driskoll. His plaegerism matches the sudden appearance of 'theologians' in the late 2nd century. Tertullian,being the ringleader, with all the rumors of him living in Montana. Quoting writings from the 1st century without direct attribution. No mention of authors, chapters, verses. No credit for the manuscript copyists (maybe being merciful; hard to say).
Now compare to real Christian writers of the early 2nd century and of course the 1st century. Scholars are literally hunting everywhere for any hint of copying (some dastardly liberals suggesting the early writings weren't there to copy). In fact, the early writers were so virtuous, they destroyed their own manuscripts to prevent anyone later being accused of copying. Now that is true virtuousness.
Maybe an exception or two. Matthew, Mark, Luke. Again, hard to say.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
Disappearing now?
I lost interest in him a while ago, so perhaps this may be the right time to sell my license to his sermons.
LOL Mark Driscoll on sermon preparation: "Many people have asked questions about my methods for preaching and sermon preparation. So I thought I’d share my methods, which are unorthodox and not something I’d suggest copying." Also, "When I get up to preach, the jokes, illustrations, cross-references, and closing happen extemporaneously. I never teach others how to preach, as my method is not exactly a replicable method—nor a suggested one. But it works for me."
Interesting how he says his method is not something he suggests copying. Ironic, isn't it? Reminds me about the controversy of Logos not citing the correct publishers and/or authors in some of the resources they publish; e.g. The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge in English has the right authors, but the version in Spanish doesn't. It only has one and is not the original one. Even in English there were some resources that did not give the right author. I think someone started a thread on that. Maybe is a common practice in the state of Washington...LOL...just kidding! [A]
Anyway, hope Mark Driscoll can work out a way to have his sermons back on sale. Maybe he'll have to share profits or something.
DAL
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All of which reminds me of the story - I borrowed this illustration - of the preacher who complained that Billy Graham stole one of his sermons. "Billy Graham must have read my sermon. He preached it practically word for word, and hundreds came forward to receive Christ." Someone asked him, "Really, what was the response when you preached it?". He replied, "Oh, not much. It was an ordinary Sunday, what can you expect?" The other man said, "Better let Billy have that sermon. He can do more with than you can."
I don't know where you got that, but I really enjoyed it.
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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
Sung to the tune of "Come Thou Fount"
Come thou fount of every resource
I am out of things to say
Streams of wisdom at my fingers
What a gift to copy-paste!
While it's true that I'm no Spurgeon
My church thinks that I'm on top
I may copy vintage sermons –
It's not wrong if you're not caught
Sung to the tune of "Come Thou Fount"
Come thou fount of every resource
I am out of things to say
Streams of wisdom at my fingers
What a gift to copy-paste!
While it's true that I'm no Spurgeon
My church thinks that I'm on top
I may copy vintage sermons –
It's not wrong if you're not caught
[:)] Clever. Thanks.
[clears throat] Is that original? [cough, cough]
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
Well, Wyeth and Robinson did their part. But the hacked revised lyric is mine. Feel free to add it to your church's hymnody!
Well, Wyeth and Robinson did their part. But the hacked revised lyric is mine. Feel free to add it to your church's hymnody!
If I do, I'll be sure to give proper attribution. [;)]
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
I purchased the Driscoll sermon library when I first purchased logos, and I'm glad I did. I have used it very much in my studies and have learned a great deal and been entertained at the same time. I do not agree with everything he says, but he makes the Word come alive, makes it practical, and is quite funny. They do not edit his sermons, it's pretty word for word. I hope logos will put them back on for others to be blessed by.
If you do a quick Google search for "mark driscoll sermons disappearing", you'll get an idea of what is going on.
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."