New Idea for a Base Package!
With all the new base packages floating around now, I am finding myself left out. That, in itself, doesn't really surprise me. I don't adhere to any pre-packaged view of Scripture, whether old or recent. What I do adhere to is the Bible. This may sound a little odd, but I would like to suggest the creation of a "Bible Study" base package.
That may sound a little cheeky, but let me explain what I am getting at. There are elements of the SDA and Anglican packages that cause them to be attractive to me for two reasons: 1) they have great value (which is probably my most pressing concern--I have to get the most for my money), and 2) they include resources that I consider potentially useful. But these base package "coins" have two sides. On the other side, both of these have MASSIVE amounts of stuff that I have absolutely no interest in. I have no doubt the folks in those streams are tickled with this "in-house" material, but it is valueless to me.
The kinds of things I would like to see in a base package are tons of language resources, tons of "OT" and "NT" resources, tons of Judaism and Intertestamental resources (incl. so-called "second temple" stuff), tons of commentaries, and tons of "process" resources, i.e. exegesis and hermeneutics resources, and tons of ancient historical resources (contemporary and modern authorship, up to about 200-300CE). In fact, if I was going to give a name to this kind of package, other than Bible Studies base package, I might call it an Exegesis base package.
Before going into what I don't want in a base package, a quick statement about the first base packages in Logos (L2 to L5) prior to Verbum making its debut. As far back as I can remember with Logos, its base packages have had scads and reams and loads of stuff that has absolutely no value or utility for me, and is nothing but dead wood as far as I am concerned. I wouldn't be surprised if 1/3 to 1/2 of what I have in my Library is stuff I wouldn't read even if I had a million years to spend. In my view, that is a significant hit to my value quotient.
So then, things I don't want to have in a base package are devotionals, ministerial resources, preaching resources, "in-house" creedal statements, "church" history after 200-300CE, missiology, church vs. world diatribes, ecumenicalism, evangelistic how-tos, hymnology, biographies, and I 'm sure I'm leaving out other stuff besides. Historically, many of the same folks produced resources that were part of both my "do want" and "don't want" lists. Generally, if it is about the Bible and what it says or means, then "yes". If it has pretty much anything to do with "how to apply", and personal or communal practice, or the like, then "no". Those are the areas where misunderstandings in the "yes" pile bloom into errors of increasing irrelevancy.
As attractive as Anglican Diamond is with ICC in it, I could easily jettison 2/5 to 1/2 of what's in it and not bat an eyelash of concern...maybe even more. Which just leaves me wishing I could fill in with stuff that actually means something to me. And that, after all, is what these base packages are all about...getting people stuff that they will actually use. I have tons of stuff in my Wish List, quite a bit of which would make for decent base package material. I actually thought about suggesting a David Paul base package, but that seemed a little too narrow to generate sufficient interest (even though a DP base package would totally rock!). [:P]
Also, I'm not saying all of what I have assigned to my "no" pile is of no value to me whatsoever. I just don't want it injected willy-nilly into my library, because I already have more than enough as it is. Besides, I can always pick up the odd outlier on occasion if I feel the need.
Would anyone else like a historical, BOOK-focused, "what does it say, what does it mean, in the original languages" kind of base package that isn't saddled with churchianity trappings and social ornamentation? Am I alone in this?
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That would be the Reformed base package then.
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Not even close. Talk about Dullsville...
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A base package that focussed on commentaries/lexicons, and ditched most monographs would be very popular amongst preachers, I think.
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Yes, that is on track with my thinking, up to a point. However, many resources that are considered monographs are actually tightly-focused commentaries on a particular topic in the Bible. I am interested in those kinds of resources as well. The kinds of things I could do without are huge sections of the stuff so popular in March Madness: John MacArthur, John Piper, A. W. Tozer, Oswald Chambers, and especially Max Lucado. In other words, stuff where you can read for page after page and not encounter a Scripture reference or a non-English word.
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David Paul said:
I would like to suggest the creation of a "Bible Study" base package.
David,
Having read your description of your ideal base package, I think I would call it a Biblical Studies base package. It would have an emphasis on textual, language and exegetical resources with added scholarly journals (e.g. Semeia). Its target would be biblical exegetes who have some facility with the original languages, many of whom would also be preachers/teachers.
I would like that sort of package. It is actually the kind of resource library that I was building towards, albeit slowly, in the Logos 2 and Libronix days, before I acquired OLL, then Gold in Libronix. It would include from the base collections resource types:
- Ancient Texts and Morphologies
- Bible Commentaries (Academic/Scholarly - e.g. WBC, ICC, AYB, Hermeneia)
- Biblical Studies
- English Bibles
- Exegesis and Interpretation
- Patristics
- Original Language Grammars and Tools
- Original Language Lexicons
It wouldn't have the rest of the resource types usually found in base collections.
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Alan, YES...journals! I completely overlooked those, but they are exactly the kinds of resources I would want. When I say overlooked, I could have tripped over them, since they are one of my main resource folders in my library. Essay collections, too!
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David, you're descibing my library (and probably yours too). I've spent maybe $15K though I'd suspect $10-12K subtracting out my Asherah and Anat volumes. Probably your package could let the purchaser optionally pick their commentary sets to match their message, etc.
Of course Logos would not reap the big bucks on century old re-treads. People would loose their jobs. The real estate market in downtown Bellingham would crater (along with the 9 story building architect's practice). Is this something any of us can really stomach?
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Alan Macgregor said:
It would include from the base collections resource types:
- Ancient Texts and Morphologies
- Bible Commentaries (Academic/Scholarly - e.g. WBC, ICC, AYB, Hermeneia)
- Biblical Studies
- English Bibles
- Exegesis and Interpretation
- Patristics
- Original Language Grammars and Tools
- Original Language Lexicons
Sounds like you're describing the Orthodox base packages (with a few extra commentaries) [:P]
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MJ. Smith said:
Sounds like you're describing the Orthodox base packages (with a few extra commentaries)
And here I was going to say the Anabaptist base package. [:)]
I'm also looking forward to the Jewish base package (presumably all of the above along with Rashi and Rambam, Sifra and Sifre, and the Rabbah among others). Though to be honest, I'll be happy if they simply kept updating the bundles.
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Count me in for a Biblical Studies Base Package!
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David Paul said:
So then, things I don't want to have in a base package are devotionals, ministerial resources, preaching resources, "in-house" creedal statements, "church" history after 200-300CE, missiology, church vs. world diatribes, ecumenicalism, evangelistic how-tos, hymnology, biographies, and I 'm sure I'm leaving out other stuff besides. Historically, many of the same folks produced resources that were part of both my "do want" and "don't want" lists. Generally, if it is about the Bible and what it says or means, then "yes". If it has pretty much anything to do with "how to apply", and personal or communal practice, or the like, then "no". Those are the areas where misunderstandings in the "yes" pile bloom into errors of increasing irrelevancy.
You do not want ministerial resources, preaching resources, or church history (scholarly resources)...
I am of a different mind- these are exactly what I want in a base package.
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Might I suggest Portfolio then...it has a trainload of such things.
That said, I have often wondered at the decision to include tons of ministerial and preaching and counseling resources in the top-end package that Logos offers, things not offered in any other package. That, to my way of thinking is bizarre. What could possibly motivate that decision??
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I completely agree. When a person posts 'What package should I buy?", I always respond with something like, 'purchase what you are going to use.'David Paul said:have MASSIVE amounts of stuff that I have absolutely no interest in
I purchased L3's OL, and I have not upgraded my package. What I have done is to purchase items that I would use, created PB's, and use notes as an electronic file cabinet to store items that I think I will use at a later time.
As a Lutheran, I even find that the Lutheran packages full of items that I will not use/want.
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[y]Mark Barnes said:A base package that focussed on commentaries/lexicons, and ditched most monographs would be very popular amongst preachers, I think.
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tom said:
I completely agree. When a person posts 'What package should I buy?", I always respond with something like, 'purchase what you are going to use.'David Paul said:have MASSIVE amounts of stuff that I have absolutely no interest in
I purchased L3's OL, and I have not upgraded my package. What I have done is to purchase items that I would use, created PB's, and use notes as an electronic file cabinet to store items that I think I will use at a later time.
As a Lutheran, I even find that the Lutheran packages full of items that I will not use/want.
I have an ambivalent take on this. First, I really would prefer not having tons of dead wood on my hard drive and library. It does nothing but increase download times and indexing times, for no benefit whatsoever. It simply isn't true to say "it doesn't hurt" to have it. On the other hand, I bought Portfolio because it gave me things I wanted at the best value I could get them at. On that point, L4 was a decision I made after about 5-10 seconds of looking at what it contained. The decision to get L5 Portfolio was a week-long, agonizing ordeal, because the value line was so blurry it was practically a toss-up. At the time, I lamented the fact that Portfolio, the flagship product of Logos, was so beleaguered with fluff and junk that it was not the same kind of slam dunk decision as L4's Portfolio had been. It simply shouldn't be.
That's what I am looking for in a Biblical Studies base package...a package without fluff, or at least as little as possible.
That said, I think that to get the things I wanted and currently have, Portfolio was the best economical way to get them--even though getting it meant I had to swallow a few horse pills of (for my purposes) junk. I just wish I could have traded out fluff, even at 3:1 or 4:1, for things I could get utility from.
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I like your idea (so, my old Libronix OL). But I still don't think it's by accident there's no such puppy at Logos. Read the copy on a typical package. I'm not even sure they could write copy for the dream package.
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tom said:
As a Lutheran, I even find that the Lutheran packages full of items that I will not use/want.
That will be true of all base packages everywhere. Often, for me, the attraction in the base package is a very few high-ticket items that are included. The rest is just a bonus. I'll probably never use much of it, but I've found over time that there have been several occasions where I've followed a rabbit trail and ended up at a very helpful resource that came with a base package years ago that I had never really used before.
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David Paul said:
That said, I have often wondered at the decision to include tons of ministerial and preaching and counseling resources in the top-end package that Logos offers, things not offered in any other package. That, to my way of thinking is bizarre. What could possibly motivate that decision??
Logos primary customer base for new and continued purchases are pastors. Does that explain it?
I think you could expect that such a Biblical Studies base package would be more expensive per book than other packages. These resources are more expensive to buy and more expensive for Logos to tag and keep up to date with its own technological advances.
Logos had something similar in the Original Languages pack (for Libronix), but it didn't sell very well and was dropped when L4 came along (going by memory here, so...). Given that, I suspect that a Biblical Studies pack would be appeal to niche market, and not sell well. This tends to disincentivize publishers from providing the kinds of discounts we see in other base packages, and would be a factor in likely making such a pack even more expensive per resource than other packs.
Having said all that, given Logos' recent string of niche base package releases (Reformed, SDA, Orthodox, Catholic, etc.), I don't see a reason that this would not be possible--even if it would market to a different sort of niche.
BTW, as long as you're asking, it might be helpful to suggest a trio of base packages here: an Old Testament Biblical Studies pack, a New Testament Biblical Studies pack, and a Full Canon Biblical Studies pack (we'll let MJ and Bob slug out what 'full canon' means). To make it more interesting, we could also include a Septuagint Biblical Studies Pack, and the separate the Old Testament Biblical Studies pack into a Hebrew only version and a combined (with the LXX) version.
All just my humble opinion, of course. But such packs would certainly get close scrutiny from me, if not a purchase in one or more of these areas.
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David Paul said:tom said:
I completely agree. When a person posts 'What package should I buy?", I always respond with something like, 'purchase what you are going to use.'David Paul said:have MASSIVE amounts of stuff that I have absolutely no interest in
I purchased L3's OL, and I have not upgraded my package. What I have done is to purchase items that I would use, created PB's, and use notes as an electronic file cabinet to store items that I think I will use at a later time.
As a Lutheran, I even find that the Lutheran packages full of items that I will not use/want.
I have an ambivalent take on this. First, I really would prefer not having tons of dead wood on my hard drive and library. It does nothing but increase download times and indexing times, for no benefit whatsoever. It simply isn't true to say "it doesn't hurt" to have it. On the other hand, I bought Portfolio because it gave me things I wanted at the best value I could get them at. On that point, L4 was a decision I made after about 5-10 seconds of looking at what it contained. The decision to get L5 Portfolio was a week-long, agonizing ordeal, because the value line was so blurry it was practically a toss-up. At the time, I lamented the fact that Portfolio, the flagship product of Logos, was so beleaguered with fluff and junk that it was not the same kind of slam dunk decision as L4's Portfolio had been. It simply shouldn't be.
That's what I am looking for in a Biblical Studies base package...a package without fluff, or at least as little as possible.
That said, I think that to get the things I wanted and currently have, Portfolio was the best economical way to get them--even though getting it meant I had to swallow a few horse pills of (for my purposes) junk. I just wish I could have traded out fluff, even at 3:1 or 4:1, for things I could get utility from.
David I agree- nothing like being "forced" to buy stuff you will never use to get what you want- the next upgrade Logos does will definitely have one less customer other than a basic update.
If it was not so tedious I would delete or at least block all the "junk books"- I know I have books I have and will never even open up.
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So long as we've opened the door, why not make it four:Richard DeRuiter said:David Paul said:That said, I have often wondered at the decision to include tons of ministerial and preaching and counseling resources in the top-end package that Logos offers, things not offered in any other package. That, to my way of thinking is bizarre. What could possibly motivate that decision??
Logos primary customer base for new and continued purchases are pastors. Does that explain it?
I think you could expect that such a Biblical Studies base package would be more expensive per book than other packages. These resources are more expensive to buy and more expensive for Logos to tag and keep up to date with its own technological advances.
Logos had something similar in the Original Languages pack (for Libronix), but it didn't sell very well and was dropped when L4 came along (going by memory here, so...). Given that, I suspect that a Biblical Studies pack would be appeal to niche market, and not sell well. This tends to disincentivize publishers from providing the kinds of discounts we see in other base packages, and would be a factor in likely making such a pack even more expensive per resource than other packs.
Having said all that, given Logos' recent string of niche base package releases (Reformed, SDA, Orthodox, Catholic, etc.), I don't see a reason that this would not be possible--even if it would market to a different sort of niche.
BTW, as long as you're asking, it might be helpful to suggest a trio of base packages here: an Old Testament Biblical Studies pack, a New Testament Biblical Studies pack, and a Full Canon Biblical Studies pack (we'll let MJ and Bob slug out what 'full canon' means). To make it more interesting, we could also include a Septuagint Biblical Studies Pack, and the separate the Old Testament Biblical Studies pack into a Hebrew only version and a combined (with the LXX) version.
All just my humble opinion, of course. But such packs would certainly get close scrutiny from me, if not a purchase in one or more of these areas.
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David Paul said:
I just wish I could have traded out fluff, even at 3:1 or 4:1, for things I could get utility from.
BTW: I agree. [:D]
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Richard DeRuiter said:
BTW, as long as you're asking, it might be helpful to suggest a trio of base packages here: an Old Testament Biblical Studies pack, a New Testament Biblical Studies pack, and a Full Canon Biblical Studies pack (we'll let MJ and Bob slug out what 'full canon' means). To make it more interesting, we could also include a Septuagint Biblical Studies Pack, and the separate the Old Testament Biblical Studies pack into a Hebrew only version and a combined (with the LXX) version.
george
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George Somsel said:Richard DeRuiter said:
BTW, as long as you're asking, it might be helpful to suggest a trio of base packages here: an Old Testament Biblical Studies pack, a New Testament Biblical Studies pack, and a Full Canon Biblical Studies pack (we'll let MJ and Bob slug out what 'full canon' means). To make it more interesting, we could also include a Septuagint Biblical Studies Pack, and the separate the Old Testament Biblical Studies pack into a Hebrew only version and a combined (with the LXX) version.
So, it's the old canon vs. cannon trick again, eh? [spoken with all the nasality of Don Adams]
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abondservant said:
cannon + deuterocannon (this being the equivalent of portfolio, but for MJ),
You realize this represents many different canons - one package each for:
- Anglican
- Lutheran
- Western Catholic
- Byzantine
- Slavic
- Syriac
- Ethiopean
- with, perhaps, a bit of leeway for Armenian and Georgian
Then we need to make allowance for additional books that have been removed from the canon after comparatively recent inclusion ... and we better allow for the shorter NT - Slavic and Peshitta ... then we need the Samaritan Scripture ...
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MJ. Smith said:abondservant said:
cannon + deuterocannon (this being the equivalent of portfolio, but for MJ),
You realize this represents many different canons - one package each for:
- Anglican
- Lutheran
- Western Catholic
- Byzantine
- Slavic
- Syriac
- Ethiopean
- with, perhaps, a bit of leeway for Armenian and Georgian
Then we need to make allowance for additional books that have been removed from the canon after comparatively recent inclusion ... and we better allow for the shorter NT - Slavic and Peshitta ... then we need the Samaritan Scripture ...
MJ, Why not reply and get to 12000 posts. Be my guest!
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Alan Macgregor said:
Mj Why not reply and get to 12000 posts. Be my guest!
Why not? Shall we try to guess how many are on canons?
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haha - I didn't mean that MUCH granularity. Just one that focuses on the canon and all the apocryphal books, and one which does not.
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MJ. Smith said:abondservant said:
cannon + deuterocannon (this being the equivalent of portfolio, but for MJ),
You realize this represents many different canons - one package each for:
- Anglican
- Lutheran
- Western Catholic
- Byzantine
- Slavic
- Syriac
- Ethiopean
- with, perhaps, a bit of leeway for Armenian and Georgian
Then we need to make allowance for additional books that have been removed from the canon after comparatively recent inclusion ... and we better allow for the shorter NT - Slavic and Peshitta ... then we need the Samaritan Scripture ...
Why not have simply ONE canonical group with switches to adjust for one's particular preference?
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Because at this point in my life, I would rather have the extra books RE the canon my tradition uses than a bunch of books on something I am not planning to study further in the near (or intermediate future). Switches would be more or less the same as hiding the resources I don't want.
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I have my opinion about the canon, but my Biblical Studies base package isn't obsessive about what's in and what's out; it is inclusive of materials and texts up to about 200-300CE (roughly drawn). The only council I want to hear about (out of this package) is the Jerusalem council. I haven't specifically said it (though I have beaten around the bush sufficiently), but I don't want any CHURCH stuff in this package. I really don't want to weigh this down with how people have implemented their understanding or lack thereof. That's what all those other base packages are for, and they're great for those looking for that material.
I am perfectly fine with including Catholic Peter's and Protestant Paul's commentaries, biblical subject studies, and whatnot...but I don't want bleed-over that includes arguments about who's in and who's out, who should be doing what, who shouldn't be doing what, from the "church" perspective. All of that has gotten plenty of attention elsewhere...and I already have tons of that stuff anyway.
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George Somsel said:
Why not have simply ONE canonical group with switches to adjust for one's particular preference?
That would actually be my preference as I switch canons often. Since I am over 39 I may soon have senior moments when I forget which canon I'm using - having Logos remind me would be great.
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David Paul said:
but I don't want any CHURCH stuff in this package.
A truly new concept - a Biblical Studies base package without any Bibles. That is a great idea that I could recommend to several traditions that don't appear to consider its contents important anyway.[B]
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How about a "Bible Translation Package". They need a package like discussed here, and often work in a multidenominational environment.
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MJ. Smith said:David Paul said:
but I don't want any CHURCH stuff in this package.
A truly new concept - a Biblical Studies base package without any Bibles.
D N C
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Logos has an Original Languages package which was considered the step up from the OLL in L4.
Have any of you considered or evaluated that? It wasn't released with the initial packages but instead was released some months later.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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It sounds like you're asking for one or more of our topical bundles:
These are effectively 'base' bundles with highly focused collections of resources around a single topic.
-- Bob
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Bob Pritchett said:
These are effectively 'base' bundles with highly focused collections of resources around a single topic.
When you say they are effectively 'base' bundles, does that mean they unlock the functionality of all the datasets and features that people need a base package (or minimal crossgrade) for?
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Sorry... that's a good point, Rosie.
Now that we have dynamic pricing, and ways to make base packages more easily, we can look at doing other bases.
We're also looking to add the ability to control which books are downloaded to your local laptop/desktop, as we do for mobile. This will let you keep 'fluff' off your hard drive.
The fundamental problem, though, is that one person's fluff is another's valuable tool. And for the few things everyone considers fluff... well, that stuff didn't really affect the price of the package. It's like ordering the Happy Meal at McDonald's for $3.99 and saying "but I don't need the toy or the crayons or the fancy box." Okay, so now it's $3.98. :-) They aren't going to swap those things for another hamburger.
(I wish it worked that way... then I could swap the cornbread and coleslaw on my BBQ platter for another half-rack of ribs...)
-- Bob
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Bob Pritchett said:
Now that we have dynamic pricing, and ways to make base packages more easily, we can look at doing other bases.
There should be a simple entry point for new users who want all the functionality but want to choose their content themselves. Why not create a very basic base package that has virtually no content, but that unlocks all the datasets and tools, and that people can add most of their content on top of selectively by buying bundles such as the above? I know that's essentially what the "minimal crossgrade" does, but the terminology is confusing for people. They think it's meant only for moving from a previous version of Logos to the current one, etc. And it does contain some books that people wouldn't want. Even the Core Datasets package contains content some people wouldn't want (a devotional, bible illustrations, plant & animals freebies, etc.) and it doesn't contain all the datasets that Minimal Crossgrade does. So for the hardcore folks who really just want what they want, they need Logos JC Foundation (built on the foundation of Jesus Christ and nothing else...) (Unfortunately Verbum Foundations has already stolen the "Foundation" name though.)
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Emphasis mine. Given the width and breadth of traditions here on the forums, I'm not sure even that would be something we could all create a common (and equally useful for all) description of.Rosie Perera said:Bob Pritchett said:Now that we have dynamic pricing, and ways to make base packages more easily, we can look at doing other bases.
There should be a simple entry point for new users who want all the functionality but want to choose their content themselves. Why not create a very basic base package that has virtually no content, but that unlocks all the datasets and tools, and that people can add most of their content on top of selectively by buying bundles such as the above? I know that's essentially what the "minimal crossgrade" does, but the terminology is confusing for people. They think it's meant only for moving from a previous version of Logos to the current one, etc. And it does contain some books that people wouldn't want. Even the Core Datasets package contains content some people wouldn't want (a devotional, bible illustrations, plant & animals freebies, etc.) and it doesn't contain all the datasets that Minimal Crossgrade does. So for the hardcore folks who really just want what they want, they need Logos JC Foundation (built on the foundation of Jesus Christ and nothing else...) (Unfortunately Verbum Foundations has already stolen the "Foundation" name though.)
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Now that I know this is being "looked at", let me say something I intended to say earlier. IF a Bible Study base package were offered, I think that it would need to have a variety of builds. In other words, just as Anglican has Starter, Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, and Diamond, I would desire all of those levels, but actually at least a few more. I don't know if Portfolio is appropriate as a next step, because I'm not sure what would come after that, and I do think something else needs to come after that. What I am envisioning is essentially a Bible Specialist's Package--Unobtainium Edition. Would this be expensive? Um...yes. But, it would also have the lion's share of what I want. I've said it elsewhere, and I will repeat it here--I will spend lots of money IF I can get crazy value. I will spend Master Bundle XL funds IF I can get that much stuff w/o the Catholic, Baptist, Reformed, Women's, Church History, Preaching, Counseling, Pastoral, Devotional, Philosophy & Apologetics, Marriage & Family, and Devotional bundles, with that gap filled-in with my Wish List, which is pretty much just more of the same kind of stuff found in the other remaining bundles. It might have a few cherry-picked items from the bundles mentioned above, but not much.
Most of the stuff in my Wish List will remain there forever...unless I can get base package pricing on it, and I've got a pretty big wish list. Yeah, I'm asking for an absurd deal on what I'd like to see in this Unobtainium package...but that's only because it's going to cost me an absurd amount of money to get it. I can live with that...IF I can get that.
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Bob Pritchett said:
These are effectively 'base' bundles with highly focused collections of resources around a single topic.
Bob, is there a chance then that we would see the resources available in the current base packages also take on the form of topical bundles? Not sure what others think, but I would be a fan. [:)]
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Bob Pritchett said:
We're also looking to add the ability to control which books are downloaded to your local laptop/desktop, as we do for mobile. This will let you keep 'fluff' off your hard drive.
Let me just say: Yay!
(That is, if this means two different computers on the same account can have different books downloaded)
Windows tablets and ultrabooks just got more interesting.
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Todd Phillips said:Bob Pritchett said:
We're also looking to add the ability to control which books are downloaded to your local laptop/desktop, as we do for mobile. This will let you keep 'fluff' off your hard drive.
Let me just say: Yay!
I would love to have that function, as I have one Logos desktop installation on my iMac for church work – sermon preparation, bible studies, etc – and my MacBook Air I use for academic study, writing papers etc. I would be great to strip out a lot of stuff on both (the "fluff") and certain material on each (I don't need Perseus and a heap of academic stuff on my iMac in the manse but it is essential on my MBA down at the cottage).
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Alan
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abondservant said:
Logos has an Original Languages package which was considered the step up from the OLL in L4.
Have any of you considered or evaluated that? It wasn't released with the initial packages but instead was released some months later.Sure, but I'm not allowed to buy it. Only students are.[:'(]
And it's called Biblical Languages.
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Rosie Perera said:
Why not create a very basic base package that has virtually no content, but that unlocks all the datasets and tools (...) I know that's essentially what the "minimal crossgrade" does, but the terminology is confusing for people. They think it's meant only for moving from a previous version of Logos to the current one, etc.
And they're fairly correct. To get most of the datasets they need not only the L5 MC, but also the L4 MC -- and even then they'll miss a few things that aren't available outside base packages at all.
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Bob Pritchett said:
Now that we have dynamic pricing, and ways to make base packages more easily, we can look at doing other bases.
You could make a very good start by simply allowing all of us to buy Biblical Languages. [;)]
Then you can build David's Biblical Studies packages on top of that.
Bob Pritchett said:We're also looking to add the ability to control which books are downloaded to your local laptop/desktop, as we do for mobile. This will let you keep 'fluff' off your hard drive.
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fgh said:
Sure, but I'm not allowed to buy it. Only students are.
And it's called Biblical Languages.
What happens when you try and buy it?
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fgh said:
You could make a very good start by simply allowing all of us to buy Biblical Languages
I have L5 Platinum plus *****. Biblical Languages is grayed out for me, and I do not have academic access.
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