Moody titles will be going away
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Randy Mlinek said:
An email to your loyal customers would have been appreciated.
Though many of us were disappointed with this decision, LOGOS did give us a heads up that it was coming. They used the Forums, their most common way of communicating with customers, to inform us with what was coming. I realize that you must have missed the announcement - that would have helped; but you did join the Forums in June 2010, you certainly could have seen the original post last April. I trust you will find other resources to meet your needs.
Blessings,
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Randy Mlinek said:
An email to your loyal customers would have been appreciated.
As Floyd said, it was in the forums, but I think that very inadequate. An email notice would have been much better and effective. I get emails all the time about specials "just for me" and such. An announcement about Moody would have been appreciated. Most Logos users don't frequent the forums.
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Bill Moore said:
As Floyd said, it was in the forums, but I think that very inadequate. An email notice would have been much better and effective.
It is possible Moody told Logos they could not advertise the discontinuance. Or maybe Logos was told "you can sell $x-amount of resources, them pull the plug." We don't know why or how the relationship was terminated. We do know the end was variable. Logos did not even know the precise timing.
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I surely hope NOT! Logos does produce nice quality stuff, but the serious scholarship is NOT "in house". If Logos concentrates on producing its own scholarly works, they will alienate other publishers and certainly be producing such works for a shrinking market. That is a plan that would result in nothing good for those of us with significant Logos libraries. I believe they are much smarter than that.Tony Thomas said:As a result, I think Logos needs to continue to concentrate on financing and producing its own scholarly works as well as adding value to public domain works by digitizing them adding features to them to increase perceived added value.
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On another, but related topic: Why all the speculation by so many about whatever happened between Moody and Logos when we know so little? What good comes from that?
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Michael Childs said:
I surely hope NOT! Logos does produce nice quality stuff, but the serious scholarship is NOT "in house". If Logos concentrates on producing its own scholarly works, they will alienate other publishers and certainly be producing such works for a shrinking market. That is a plan that would result in nothing good for those of us with significant Logos libraries. I believe they are much smarter than that. .... On another, but related topic: Why all the speculation by so many about whatever happened between Moody and Logos when we know so little? What good comes from that?Tony Thomas said:As a result, I think Logos needs to continue to concentrate on financing and producing its own scholarly works as well as adding value to public domain works by digitizing them adding features to them to increase perceived added value.
With several of the Lexham guides (produced by Logos) going to community pricing (and not having much luck there either), I think it's safe to say Logos will not be going in the direction Tony thinks they should go. Like Michael says, "They are much smarter than that..." Just look at how long it's taking for the HD commentary on Romans to make it out of pre-pub AND on top of that, you now can/need to purchase a handbook that goes with it. Not very smart in my opinion. Who in their right mind makes a commentary that will need a handbook designed to serve as a companion for the commentary? Not being harsh and over critical here, just realistic. I think, IMO, that was a very bad move; not to mention the price tag on those (65 for the commentary and 50 for the handbook...rounded up prices). I own the HD commentary on Philippians and that just makes me wonder if soon there will be a handbook to serve as a companion for the commentary. Does that mean you need both resources to see the whole picture, if so, what's the point of buying the commentary if it's not "complete" per se or you will need a handbook to help you understand the commentary? Sorry, I just don't see the logic behind it.
Anyway, I hope Logos continues to attract more publishers so we can have all the books we want from every publisher both in English and Spanish for me and other languages for others.
Blessings!
DAL
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Bill Moore said:
As Floyd said, it was in the forums, but I think that very inadequate. An email notice would have been much better and effective.
I think Logos did all that they could prudently do. Think about it: They were continuing negotiations with Moody, but things were not finalized. An email would have been the death knell and uncouth… plus they wanted to continue SOME relationship with the company (they still sell books through Vyrso). They did not make a big formal announcement and should not have. What would they have said in an email blog? "Hey everyone! We are in the process of trying to renegotiate contracts with Moody, but things don't look good. You better buy fast!" I just don't see it. Furthermore, there are different levels of how to present info. An email from friend to friend is one thing. An email from a large company like Logos is another. What is written should be thought out very carefully. A post in the forum is much more casual, and doesn't take nearly as much time. Lastly, a post in the forums provides opportunity for a little give and take. An email could have generated a considerable amount of phone calls and reply emails… the forums provides an efficient means for interaction with others, including some Logos employees.
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Would a blog posting really be that much more public??? it's not like the forums are not searchable via google or require a log in to see them.
-Dan
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alabama24 said:Bill Moore said:
As Floyd said, it was in the forums, but I think that very inadequate. An email notice would have been much better and effective.
I think Logos did all that they could prudently do. Think about it: They were continuing negotiations with Moody, but things were not finalized. An email would have been the death knell and uncouth… plus they wanted to continue SOME relationship with the company (they still sell books through Vyrso). They did not make a big formal announcement and should not have. What would they have said in an email blog? "Hey everyone! We are in the process of trying to renegotiate contracts with Moody, but things don't look good. You better buy fast!" I just don't see it. Furthermore, there are different levels of how to present info. An email from friend to friend is one thing. An email from a large company like Logos is another. What is written should be thought out very carefully. A post in the forum is much more casual, and doesn't take nearly as much time. Lastly, a post in the forums provides opportunity for a little give and take. An email could have generated a considerable amount of phone calls and reply emails… the forums provides an efficient means for interaction with others, including some Logos employees.
It is totally tempting to think that an email would have been an answer but alabama has done a good job at explaining some of the complications doing it that way. Thanks.
One of the additional benefits of doing it through the forums is that maybe more people will be motivated to stop by and participate more.
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There are a number of ways LOGOS could have communicated with us:
- blog
- forums
- paper mail
- etc.
They chose the forums - they could make any decision they wished. At the same time, you (we?) might be disappointed with their choice. There have been times in the past that I have not liked LOGOS' decision - but it is there right to make decisions.
At this point it makes little difference - LOGOS and Moody went their separate directions. I continue to buy LOGOS' products - even when I don't agree with all their decisions. Each of us, of course, has the same choice to make - whether to continue purchasing from LOGOS or to not do so.
Blessings,
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Bruce Dunning said:alabama24 said:Bill Moore said:
As Floyd said, it was in the forums, but I think that very inadequate. An email notice would have been much better and effective.
I think Logos did all that they could prudently do. Think about it: They were continuing negotiations with Moody, but things were not finalized. An email would have been the death knell and uncouth… plus they wanted to continue SOME relationship with the company (they still sell books through Vyrso). They did not make a big formal announcement and should not have. What would they have said in an email blog? "Hey everyone! We are in the process of trying to renegotiate contracts with Moody, but things don't look good. You better buy fast!" I just don't see it. Furthermore, there are different levels of how to present info. An email from friend to friend is one thing. An email from a large company like Logos is another. What is written should be thought out very carefully. A post in the forum is much more casual, and doesn't take nearly as much time. Lastly, a post in the forums provides opportunity for a little give and take. An email could have generated a considerable amount of phone calls and reply emails… the forums provides an efficient means for interaction with others, including some Logos employees.
It is totally tempting to think that an email would have been an answer but alabama has done a good job at explaining some of the complications doing it that way. Thanks.
One of the additional benefits of doing it through the forums is that maybe more people will be motivated to stop by and participate more.
I agree, and I think we should be thankful that Logos told us in the first place. They did not have to tell us at all. As a matter of fact, most organizations do not tell their customers that they are dropping a product line for one reason or another.
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I am in the same boat and will reach out to GTY.ORG as well. Thanks for your post!
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Michael Johnson said:
I am in the same boat and will reach out to GTY.ORG as well. Thanks for your post!
LOL talk about a delayed response! [A] [:P]
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Michael Johnson said:
I am in the same boat and will reach out to GTY.ORG as well. Thanks for your post!
Michael, welcome to the forums. It is nice to see someone take the time to find a thread that deals with the issue you are having rather than start a new one.
As Douglas pointed out, this thread is a bit old right now and as far as I know there has been no good news to report since the last posting. Many Logos users like you are in hopes that Moody and Logos can work together again in the near future.
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Bridgeport, CT USA
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Well thank goodness we can always wait for the 1000 years and I'm sure they'll show up again.
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What 1000 years?
george
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Milkman ... off with the Logos Moody ring!
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george
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just a test.
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Just a test
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just a test again.
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