"I thirst" in Aramaic
Hi Everyone. I'm in the process of writing my sermon on the 5th word (for the 7 Last Words)..."I thirst." What I'm trying to find is how to say "I thirst" in Aramaic. Thanks in advance for assisting me.
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Thanks, but isn't the above Hebrew? I found the Greek wording and pronunciation
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I don't know Aramaic, but given it is a gradual modification of Hebrew, I would expect an overlap between the two.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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This looks interesting:
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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'... it [Aramaic] is a gradual modification of Hebrew ... ' Is that a proposal? At least that's the first I had heard of such a sequence.
Wikipedia (which of course is authoritative for all things non-authoritative) had another interesting quote (I bolded):
'Under the category of post-Achaemenid is Hasmonaean Aramaic, the official language of Hasmonaean Judaea (142–37 BC). It influenced the Biblical Aramaic of the Qumran texts, and was the main language of non-biblical theological texts of that community. The major Targums, translations of the Hebrew Bible into Aramaic, were originally composed in Hasmonaean. Hasmonaean also appears in quotations in the Mishnah and Tosefta, although smoothed into its later context. It is written quite differently from Achaemenid Aramaic; there is an emphasis on writing as words are pronounced rather than using etymological forms.'
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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In Galilean Aramaic the pronoun generally precedes the participle.
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Denise said:
'... it [Aramaic] is a gradual modification of Hebrew ... ' Is that a proposal? At least that's the first I had heard of such a sequence.
My memory from historical linguistics may be wrong ... or the theory shaping the tree may have changed. I'm correct that they are both Northwest Semitic languages? And at worst share a very recent common ancestor?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I used a '?' since just about anything you said could almost be correct, there's so much variation. Aramaic, like 'Canaanite' (a non-existant language spoken by non-existent people, per a recent Logos volume) appears to be an amalgam that bounced somewhere betwen Phoenicia, and the 'two rivers', with side trips up to Persia and later on moving into syriac, etc. I suspect it's similar to greek, in trying to trace the exact origen.
It's interesting 'semitic' is a fairly recent label. Shem, unlike his two brothers, wasn't linguistically tongue-tied.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Cleante Apollon said:
Thanks, but isn't the above Hebrew? I found the Greek wording and pronunciation
According to Google Translate it is Hebrew for "my forehead please"!
This type of question is best placed in the General forum... where you get users of Logos 5, Logos 3 etc, not just Logos 4[:)]
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Peace, Denise! *smile* Here's another "amalgam" for you! (This is beginning to sound like Dentist Talk, eh?!)
Psalm 29:11
http://ellenjovin.com/blog/yiddish-a-language-amalgam
Denise said:I used a '?' since just about anything you said could almost be correct, there's so much variation. Aramaic, like 'Canaanite' (a non-existant language spoken by non-existent people, per a recent Logos volume) appears to be an amalgam that bounced somewhere betwen Phoenicia, and the 'two rivers', with side trips up to Persia and later on moving into syriac, etc. I suspect it's similar to greek, in trying to trace the exact origen.
It's interesting 'semitic' is a fairly recent label. Shem, unlike his two brothers, wasn't linguistically tongue-tied.
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Great example! I've always liked to watch languages like Akkadian, Phoenician, Aramaic and later greek and english, relative to merchants and trade routes, vs military expansion and government management (eg colonies). Visa viz, palestine, I think the key to understanding the OT is watching the trade routes (three).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Both Hebrew and Aramaic share a common ancestor, but they are both Northwest Semitic (Central Semitic is the Arabic family). The two major forks of Northwest Semitic are Canaanite (to which Hebrew belongs) and Aramaic.
A while back I put together the following chart to help visualize it: http://aramaicnt.org/2012/11/03/a-overview-of-semitic-languages/
Peace,
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Thank you, Steve! Peace to you! *smile*
Thanks for sharing! I indeed appreciated it very much, but way beyond where I'm at ... so that brings me back to ... Thank You!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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That's an interesting proposal, Steve.
I'm not sure but it's all but unreadable (tiny). Best I can determine the original is also tiny too? (Or delivered tiny?)
Can you upload it (pleez, pleez?!).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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If you give the image a click, it should display a larger version.
Peace,
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Peace, Steve! I have no difficulty at all at enlarging the text and scrolling left and right and up and down!Steve Caruso said:If you give the image a click, it should display a larger version.
Peace,
-Steve*smile* Nor do I or would I question the research and the historicity and the accuracy of this document
It's just simply "beyond" me as a retired old parish pastor ............ However, I must say I really and truly enjoyed perusing it and again I thank you! *smile*
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Well, I'll have to pass then and let our Canadian friend be impressed! (Below after click on.)
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."If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Sorry that it doesn't "expand" and scroll (2 ways!) for you, Denise!
It does for me! Two levels of enlargement and complete scrolling ...
There's so much on the chart that it does take considerable effort !
Blessings! *smile*
Edit: Actually 4 ways!!! left and right up and down *smile*
Final Edit! One needs also to click on the chart! I assume you're doing this???
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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